Why Is Supporting Agriculture with Taxpayer Money Necessary?

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    when most of these "farmers" make more money in a year's time than ordinary wage earners. Just another example of a government program--one of many-- that has no oversight or accountability.

    Old McDonald Had A Scam
    By Brian M. Riedl, Boston Globe
    March 19, 2008

    Should taxpayers continue subsidizing millionaires? That's the question Congress is mulling over as it considers reauthorizing farm subsidies doled out by the Department of Agriculture.

    for full article
    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e.../articles/2008/03/19/old_mcdonald_had_a_scam/
     
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    Another corporate handout it is. What's wrong with this picture when 2% of the population is targeted to receive $25 billion in taxpayer money, and no one ever questions/checks to see if this largesse is necessary? Maybe we should start sending business/finance majors to Washington instead of lawyers.
     
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    It isn't necessary. One of the unfortunate effects of WWI was that farmers got a taste of government lending a helping hand, and got to thinking that it should be permanent, thus many of the WWI programs were reborn during the depression.

    Really though, the bottom line is, you don't have a god-given right to make a living at (X). I don't care if your farm has been in your family for 7 generations. Another guy's family has had a plumbing business for 4 generations, so what?

    Besides, it isn't the small guys getting subsidies. If you want to help them out, abolish the death tax so family farms can live long enough to compete with corporations. Also, exempt them from the blizzard of regulations they have to comply with. Corporate farms can easily hire full time compliance specialists to deal with them and family farms can't. I had an article about this that I can't find...some of the stuff they have to deal with is just retarded. No wonder people eat so much prepackaged crap.

    Development doesn't have to be horrible looking and spread out everywhere. We used to know how to do it correctly, up until 1950 or so. Read up on New Urbanism, it will blow your mind how many laws, regulations, and subsidies are working against decent development that accomodates walking and biking.
     
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    ETHYNOL. The farmers are making out like bandits. It's not their fault, but they are reaping the rewards.
     
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    Not to deflect, but why do we still man obsolete Cold War military bases and bolster the local economies in countries now ambivalent to our presence to the tune of billions?

    Just another example of obsolete spending programs where the need is questionable at best.

    I'm sure Congress will get right on top of these issues, as well as others, just as soon as they finish with the FAR MORE important investigation into steroids in MLB ....:eusa_shifty:
     
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    Russia is still a threat, possible more of the threat now then ever before. But MOST of those bases have been shut down. There is a fraction of the US forces in Europe that used to be there and there has never been a large presence in the far east.

    The 3rd Marine Division is that only in name. It is at best a Brigade. And they have drawn down part of the Army presence in Korea as well.
     
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    I do not discount Russia as a threat, but a threat to what? What's our interest in it? That Russia might actually attack our "allies" who have shown their true colors since they started believing Russia is NOT a threat?

    It's PAST time to revamp some of those old mutual defense pacts and treaties. Realign those military assets and $. I'll bet that "fraction" of US forces would fit nicely from Brownsville to San Diego.
     
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    With wheat, soybeans, corn, etc., hitting all-time highs, it is ridiculous to continue subsidizing farmers.
     
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    Obviously no one here knows what it takes to bring a crop in......................:rolleyes:

    AND since farmers work harder than any of the fat assed geek detractors that think food originates from a fucking grocery store, while allowing their "representation" to cut the normal farmer's throat, who get's subsidized THROUGH LOANS and some very measily tax breaks, with free sudsidies going to corporate welfare and foreign agenduhs, someone should really WAKE UP.................AND SMELL THE COW SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
     

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