Why is it?

[BrokenAngel]

Partisan politics are for the weak Sarge, it's the ultimate diversion of inept governance, and by god i don't care what political stripe one opines from, they've been f'ing things up for the middle class for quite some time now

think about it, weather one is a rep or dem, we really want the same things, don't we?

we'd like to be free, have a lifestyle that doesn't bust our balls, and leave things better for our kids, agreed?

so when this doesn't occur, those at the helm of of country play the biggest blame game in town, partisanship politics

now if we really and truely follow the $$$, we'll find that the lobbyists grease either faction quite well, and they both operate acccording to their wishes than that of the overall welfare of the middle class

failure's no orphan in the political arena, it's foisted upon the loosers every time the pendulum of power swings here, we're all just collectively lame enough to buy into it....

Thank you for seeing through the crap painted over the issues by ALL politicians!!

The issue with asking a politician how to fix things is that they are just looking to get elected next time their term is up. Start making changes by working in your local community and your state. Change starts at home people. Put away party affiliations and just start cleaning up your neighborhood, city, local schools.. the politicians aren't going to do it for you so do it for yourselves and your children.

 

[k2skier]

because you and your party deserve to be reminded that you voted for Dumbya twice, nominated him twice as the best your party had to offer, supported and/or defended 98% of Bush's policies for 8 years, voted for republican candidates who voted with Bush 95% of the time, took us into a catastrophic and expensive unneccessary war, and drove this nation off the cliff.


Until you get on your knees and beg forgiveness for fucking this country over, you need to be reminded of how you got us here.

This is an outstanding example of puppet-parroting! Regurgitation without cogitation done perfectly by another mindless, partisan, ideologue droid!

The truth hurts. And Republicans have hurt the USA for 20 out of the last 28 years.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

because you and your party deserve to be reminded that you voted for Dumbya twice, nominated him twice as the best your party had to offer, supported and/or defended 98% of Bush's policies for 8 years, voted for republican candidates who voted with Bush 95% of the time, took us into a catastrophic and expensive unneccessary war, and drove this nation off the cliff.


Until you get on your knees and beg forgiveness for fucking this country over, you need to be reminded of how you got us here.

This is an outstanding example of puppet-parroting! Regurgitation without cogitation done perfectly by another mindless, partisan, ideologue droid!

The truth hurts. And Republicans have hurt the USA for 20 out of the last 28 years.

You didn't top Red Dawn, but your parroting is pretty good too. Keep practicing.

 

[manifold]

That pretty much sums it up. Republicans act as if they occupy some kind of moral high ground but they prove they really don't so often it's hard to imagine who they think they're fooling. Themselves maybe? I dunno.

There, I fixed it for you.

 

[sparky]

The American political system is built in such a way that it's almost inevitable to have 2 parties QUOTE]

yeah, 2 choices outta 1/3 a billion is really a choice....

 

[AVG-JOE]

Obama made a good SHOW of reaching out. There wasn't any sincerity in it.

Bush, idiotically WAS inclusive, so much so that he entered into a co-dependency relationship with Congress -- a wink-and nod venture whereby they would give him what he wanted, and he would look the other way on their mountains of pork. This wasn't just the Dems in Congress either, this was everyone. It's one reason why Congress' approval rating was abysmal, even far lower than Dubya's was.

It's also the reason Dems in Congress kept renewing the tax cuts, the patriot act, and never gave him much noise on war spending. They liked the gravy train. And they knew they could demagogue these items and the deficit later, what a great set of political footballs. "Blame Booooosh" is the mantra which will carry The Obama through his first term, and get him re-elected for a second.

Bush chose to fight outside enemies, forgetting that he had major enemies on the inside. But he didn't care about that, what people think of him, or what they would say. You gotta admire the thick skin he has.

But he wasn't much of a chess player.

Bush didn't need to reach out to any opposition - there was none. Not just for the last decade, but for the last 3 decades, all of the politicians on both sides of the aisle were working for the same wealthy special interests.

The only thing separating the republicans from the democrats since Carter has been their choice in the fears they hyped in order to get votes. Policy has been dictated by the money holding the leashes of both parties.

Bush's most formidable enemy was the people from whom he was transferring wealth to his buddies at Halliburton, et al. That is why the republicans lost.

-Joe

Joe....

By your logic, you must be really upset too at the Obamaphiles saying The Obama "reached out."

HE is the one who doesn't need to do so. Bush HAD to, because without huge Democrat support he could have done nothing. Zero. Zip. Zilch.

This entire con was made for dupes, and it looks GOOD on the voters!

I think he did reach out, but not on specifics. I think he reached out and asked the republicans (and many democrats) to join the movement to take back the government from the wealthy special interests. I think all of the republicans (and some democrats) are still not ready to let go of the special interest gravy train, and they're willing to bet their careers on money, confusion and fear still being the keys to garnering votes in their districts.

But then, a fight reeking of risk, confusion and fear was to be expected, no?

-Joe

 

[k2skier]

This is an outstanding example of puppet-parroting! Regurgitation without cogitation done perfectly by another mindless, partisan, ideologue droid!

The truth hurts. And Republicans have hurt the USA for 20 out of the last 28 years.

You didn't top Red Dawn, but your parroting is pretty good too. Keep practicing.

Not parroting anyone, I don't listen to AM radio and I make my own decisions. Republicans have held the White House for 20 out of the last 28 years and look where we are now...

 

[Midnight Marauder]

The truth hurts. And Republicans have hurt the USA for 20 out of the last 28 years.

You didn't top Red Dawn, but your parroting is pretty good too. Keep practicing.

Not parroting anyone, I don't listen to AM radio and I make my own decisions. Republicans have held the White House for 20 out of the last 28 years and look where we are now...

You weren't parroting AM radio, this much is true. It was more like Daily KoS or MSNBC.

And you're really including only the POTUS as responsible? Leaving out the legislative branch completely? You do realize of course that a President really doesn't have much power, right?

And you think we are in bad shape right now? This is nothing compared to the 30s and the late 70s.

 

[Red Dawn]

One of my fondest dreams is seeing the GOP in the gutter begging for some love and getting spit on.

It's just too good to pass up pointing out that they are.

That's the great liberal loving spirit. Let's work together and get along?

the "great liberal loving spirit"? Where did you hear that, on the Limbaugh show?

For me, being more middle of the road on things, the vindictiveness of those on the left only pushes me further to the right. .

let me get this straight:


You base your political views, based on an emotional response to posts on message boards from people you'll never meet?


what are you, a little emotional school girl? WFT dude, are you serious with this shit? Some message board posters "drive you to the right"?

 

[garyd]

I for one base my views on rationality and reality as opposed to the left which bases apprently most of it's political views on the mood they are in at the moment, and the mood is always apparently bad.

 

[k2skier]

You didn't top Red Dawn, but your parroting is pretty good too. Keep practicing.

Not parroting anyone, I don't listen to AM radio and I make my own decisions. Republicans have held the White House for 20 out of the last 28 years and look where we are now...

You weren't parroting AM radio, this much is true. It was more like Daily KoS or MSNBC.

And you're really including only the POTUS as responsible? Absolutely not, this has been brewing since 1980 and the Reagan Bush era. Leaving out the legislative branch completely? Unfortunately most politicians have their interests ahead of the countries. You do realize of course that a President really doesn't have much power, right? W exercised executive privilege a lot to cover his illegal and immoral tracks, so, yes he has used way too much of his power for the wrong reasons.
And you think we are in bad shape right now? This is nothing compared to the 30s and the late 70s. We're close to the 30's now and much worse off than the late 70's and early 80's, much.

Good info here. ww.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09192008/watch2.html

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Good info here. ww.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09192008/watch2.html

Thanks for finally revealing whom you are parroting. Moyers? PBS? Come on now...

 

[raceright]

Will some of you who rave about how great your political opinions are please rWise Words from an American Patriot

and was he ever so right






When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe,
we shall become as corrupt as Europe .
Thomas Jefferson



The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson



It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.
A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson



I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense
of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson



My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results
from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson



No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson



The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson



The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of
patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson



To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which
he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson



Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than
standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control
the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and
corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all
property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers
conquered.'











ead this and try to understand it all about principals

 

[raceright]

Was hoping to die before I learned to use a computer I still might make it

 

[DiveCon]

Deregulation has played a major part in lending practices over the past ~15 years which has contributed significantly to the collapse of the economy.

Even if this were true,

It seems to be generally agreed on by economists etc!

you think "deregulation" over the past 15 years is pure capitalism?

I don't know enough about economics to give a tutorial on it, but deregulation certainly falls into the 'capitalist' column.

More to the point, my initial point was that some ideas tend capitalistic, others tend socialistic, and you need both for a healthy economy/social struccture.

For republicans to characterize Obama as a socialist is ridiculous.

in other words, you heard some talking head say it was the fault of deregulation

 

[DiveCon]

Obama actually tried to reach out to Repubs. They told him to stick it.

Obama made a good SHOW of reaching out. There wasn't any sincerity in it.

Bush, idiotically WAS inclusive, so much so that he entered into a co-dependency relationship with Congress -- a wink-and nod venture whereby they would give him what he wanted, and he would look the other way on their mountains of pork. This wasn't just the Dems in Congress either, this was everyone. It's one reason why Congress' approval rating was abysmal, even far lower than Dubya's was.

It's also the reason Dems in Congress kept renewing the tax cuts, the patriot act, and never gave him much noise on war spending. They liked the gravy train. And they knew they could demagogue these items and the deficit later, what a great set of political footballs. "Blame Booooosh" is the mantra which will carry The Obama through his first term, and get him re-elected for a second.

Bush chose to fight outside enemies, forgetting that he had major enemies on the inside. But he didn't care about that, what people think of him, or what they would say. You gotta admire the thick skin he has.

But he wasn't much of a chess player.

Bush didn't need to reach out to any opposition - there was none. Not just for the last decade, but for the last 3 decades, all of the politicians on both sides of the aisle were working for the same wealthy special interests.

The only thing separating the republicans from the democrats since Carter has been their choice in the fears they hyped in order to get votes. Policy has been dictated by the money holding the leashes of both parties.

Bush's most formidable enemy was the people from whom he was transferring wealth to his buddies at Halliburton, et al. That is why the republicans lost.

-Joe

yes, he did
when he came into office the GOP had a slim majority in the House, and the Dems had it in the senate
Bush bent over backwards to the dems and he let several of them write MAJOR pieces of legislation that he put his full weight behind and siogned
you have a very POOR memory if you keep repeating these lies you are telling

 

[DiveCon]

One of my fondest dreams is seeing the GOP in the gutter begging for some love and getting spit on.

It's just too good to pass up pointing out that they are.

That's the great liberal loving spirit. Let's work together and get along? Let's try to accomplish something positive? Nope, just kick your adversaries as hard as you can when they're down so that when they finally do get back up they'll bitch slap you back twice as hard.

For me, being more middle of the road on things, the vindictiveness of those on the left only pushes me further to the right. I'm sure when things swing back the other way, which I don't expect will be all that long, that they right will be happy to stick it back to you just the same.

Probably. But that doesn't lessen my enjoyment. I didn't like being called a traitor. I wonder if that bit of vindictiveness by the right pushed you further to the left?

no one called you a traitor, moron
you took that on yourself

 

[k2skier]

Good info here. ww.pbs.org/moyers/journal/09192008/watch2.html

Thanks for finally revealing whom you are parroting. Moyers? PBS? Come on now...

Huh, you didn't watch it or listen to it I see. No, not parroting anything or anyone; what is it with pinning a parroting tag on someone with you?

Kevin Phillips is a Republican (I'm assuming) and he blames everyone from Dems and Repubs to Allen Greenspan. Kevin made some good points and this is part of the information I use to establish my views. Please get off the parroting kick, it's kind of wierd and you're not saying much but name calling by telling people that every view they have is parroting.

 

[sparky]

and so the war on overselves continues, and as long as it does those at the top will use it to their full advantage to laugh all the way to the bank

 

[editec]

Where have we seen this?

Deregulation has played a major part in lending practices over the past ~15 years which has contributed significantly to the collapse of the economy.

Even if this were true, you think "deregulation" over the past 15 years is pure capitalism?

No, of course not.

PURE CAPTIALISM is an unlikely a beast as PURE COMMUNISM or for that matter a freakin unicorn.

You cannot have a market without order. And you cannot have order without some form of government.

You cannot have a market without a specie, and you cannot have a specie without a government, either.

The only PURE mercantilist system that I can imagine possible without a state overseing it, is in anarchic state where BARTER is the medium of exchange, as BARTER requires no STATE IMPOSED medium of exchange.

What the first thing that our newly formed constiutional government did?

Impose a single nationall r3ecognized currency.


Why?

Because what we had then, privately issued currencies, and state issued currencies were preventing the MARKETS from operating efficiently.

Annoying as it often can be, we do need governments to insure that modern capitalism can exist.

They don't HAVE to be kind governments, they don't have to be democratic government, they don't even have to be sane governments, but they DO have to maintain a currency that people can depend on as a medium of exchange.