Why is it?

[Midnight Marauder]

For republicans to characterize Obama as a socialist is ridiculous.

What happens then, when non-partisan economists do? Repubs aren't the only ones singing that song, ya know.

 

[Caligirl]

I see it for what it is. Like everything else, everything has gray areas. For some, everything is all gray. For others, everything is only black and white.

It's the size of the gray area which people have in mind, which separates us all.

I have *tons* of grey matter. Tons.

Me too.

Gray matter and gray areas however, are two different things.

As you well know.

This is really profound! Our grey matter is our common ground, and our grey areas are what separates us!

OMG I think I need to have a little lie down.

 

[Caligirl]

For republicans to characterize Obama as a socialist is ridiculous.

What happens then, when non-partisan economists do? Repubs aren't the only ones singing that song, ya know.

My guess is that they are saying some of his ideas have socialist qualities, not that he is a socialist.

Again, medicare, medicaid.

Off to work, see you later.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

For republicans to characterize Obama as a socialist is ridiculous.

What happens then, when non-partisan economists do? Repubs aren't the only ones singing that song, ya know.

My guess is that they are saying some of his ideas have socialist qualities, not that he is a socialist.

Again, medicare, medicaid.

I personally believe The Obama is a Marxist. "Socialist" is too broad of a term.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Deregulation has played a major part in lending practices over the past ~15 years which has contributed significantly to the collapse of the economy.

Even if this were true,

It seems to be generally agreed on by economists etc!

you think "deregulation" over the past 15 years is pure capitalism?

I don't know enough about economics to give a tutorial on it, but deregulation certainly falls into the 'capitalist' column.

More to the point, my initial point was that some ideas tend capitalistic, others tend socialistic, and you need both for a healthy economy/social struccture.

For republicans to characterize Obama as a socialist is ridiculous.

It is not generally agreed on by economists. It is agreed on by Keynesian economists.

However, "deregulation" is not the absence of regulation, and certainly does not equal pure capitalism. I would also disagree that you need any amount of socialism for a healthy economy or social structure.

I do agree that Obama is not a socialist.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Clinton did became irrelevant the minute he was no longer President.

Please post some of these threads. I never justified Clinton's BJ or perjury. I did say he handed off a surplus to Junior who then went and squandered it and handed off the largest deficit in our lifetime.

For me it's a feeling of justification. After the right owned the entire structure for 4 years and did what they wanted, told the left to piss off, did whatever Bush told them to do, now we see them in utter dissaray. They had control and could have kept it, but instead played the absolute corruption card and lost big time.

Now, they are following a radio talk show host. Their leader of the RNC apologizes to a man who once said all druggies should be thrown in jail and then turned out to be a druggie.

I hope they continue to kneel at the altar of Rush. They will only attract the most rabid of the right wing and will alienate the independents. They will not get back into power with him at the helm.

I hope that clears up my remarks.

Plus, all the crap that happened under Bush's watch is still with US today.

More liberal bullshit. You wish republicans worshiped Rush. If you spew your lies often enough maybe they'll come true, huh? You've been taking your cues from the O-man I see.

 

[Zoom-boing]

It's not an obvious double standard. I admit I wasn't all that involved when Bush first took office but to think that suddenly exonerates Clinton from every mistake he made is ridiculous. I mean seriously, who the hell takes that position? So why should I defend from that position? Better yet, who is the OP really taking to here?

I'd guess the policy change would be within Iraq. They'll still have floaties on but we'll be sending them off into the deep end. But you make a fair point moving troops to Afghanistan doesn't change the broader war policy. The change I think will be more of a focus on diplomacy from Obama.

To me, there's a difference between bailing out Wall Street and the spending bill. At least the spending bill will produce something tangible. I don't think anyone knows what the hell happened to the money we gave the banks.

Time will tell how Obama ends up governing because right now I think he's kind of flailing about trying to find himself.

He is governing and will continue to govern from the far left. The 'most liberal senator ever' isn't going to change his stripes. Anyone who thought he would be a moderate is a fool. You bought him, you paid for him. Hope you like what you got.

 

[DiamondDave]

Clinton did became irrelevant the minute he was no longer President.

Please post some of these threads. I never justified Clinton's BJ or perjury. I did say he handed off a surplus to Junior who then went and squandered it and handed off the largest deficit in our lifetime.

For the umpteen MILLIONTH TIME

THERE WAS NO FUCKING SURPLUS... stop buying into this myth...

Utterly fucking stupid

 

[manifold]

I wonder why it is that with Democrats firmly in control of the Legislature and the White House and set to retake the Judiciary that so many liberals are busy reminding every one every day that the Republicans are , well what ever comes to mind insert here.

If as you claim the party is done for and won't recover and can never get elected again, why do you spend so much time bitching about the party YOU claim is done for?

To what end besides beating a dead horse do you aspire IF as you post, there is no hope and chance?

Just curious.

RGS bitching about beating a dead horse! Now that's fucking funny!

Even funnier will be watching his meltdown afer this thread gets tossed into the inferno.

 

[Amanda]

I wonder why it is that with Democrats firmly in control of the Legislature and the White House and set to retake the Judiciary that so many liberals are busy reminding every one every day that the Republicans are , well what ever comes to mind insert here.

If as you claim the party is done for and won't recover and can never get elected again, why do you spend so much time bitching about the party YOU claim is done for?

To what end besides beating a dead horse do you aspire IF as you post, there is no hope and chance?

Just curious.

I've been wondering the same thing.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Obama actually tried to reach out to Repubs. They told him to stick it.

Obama made a good SHOW of reaching out. There wasn't any sincerity in it.

Bush, idiotically WAS inclusive, so much so that he entered into a co-dependency relationship with Congress -- a wink-and nod venture whereby they would give him what he wanted, and he would look the other way on their mountains of pork. This wasn't just the Dems in Congress either, this was everyone. It's one reason why Congress' approval rating was abysmal, even far lower than Dubya's was.

It's also the reason Dems in Congress kept renewing the tax cuts, the patriot act, and never gave him much noise on war spending. They liked the gravy train. And they knew they could demagogue these items and the deficit later, what a great set of political footballs. "Blame Booooosh" is the mantra which will carry The Obama through his first term, and get him re-elected for a second.

Bush chose to fight outside enemies, forgetting that he had major enemies on the inside. But he didn't care about that, what people think of him, or what they would say. You gotta admire the thick skin he has.

But he wasn't much of a chess player.

Bush didn't need to reach out to any opposition - there was none. Not just for the last decade, but for the last 3 decades, all of the politicians on both sides of the aisle were working for the same wealthy special interests.

The only thing separating the republicans from the democrats since Carter has been their choice in the fears they hyped in order to get votes. Policy has been dictated by the money holding the leashes of both parties.

Bush's most formidable enemy was the people from whom he was transferring wealth to his buddies at Halliburton, et al. That is why the republicans lost.

-Joe

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Obama actually tried to reach out to Repubs. They told him to stick it.

Obama made a good SHOW of reaching out. There wasn't any sincerity in it.

Bush, idiotically WAS inclusive, so much so that he entered into a co-dependency relationship with Congress -- a wink-and nod venture whereby they would give him what he wanted, and he would look the other way on their mountains of pork. This wasn't just the Dems in Congress either, this was everyone. It's one reason why Congress' approval rating was abysmal, even far lower than Dubya's was.

It's also the reason Dems in Congress kept renewing the tax cuts, the patriot act, and never gave him much noise on war spending. They liked the gravy train. And they knew they could demagogue these items and the deficit later, what a great set of political footballs. "Blame Booooosh" is the mantra which will carry The Obama through his first term, and get him re-elected for a second.

Bush chose to fight outside enemies, forgetting that he had major enemies on the inside. But he didn't care about that, what people think of him, or what they would say. You gotta admire the thick skin he has.

But he wasn't much of a chess player.

Bush didn't need to reach out to any opposition - there was none. Not just for the last decade, but for the last 3 decades, all of the politicians on both sides of the aisle were working for the same wealthy special interests.

The only thing separating the republicans from the democrats since Carter has been their choice in the fears they hyped in order to get votes. Policy has been dictated by the money holding the leashes of both parties.

Bush's most formidable enemy was the people from whom he was transferring wealth to his buddies at Halliburton, et al. That is why the republicans lost.

-Joe

Joe....

By your logic, you must be really upset too at the Obamaphiles saying The Obama "reached out."

HE is the one who doesn't need to do so. Bush HAD to, because without huge Democrat support he could have done nothing. Zero. Zip. Zilch.

This entire con was made for dupes, and it looks GOOD on the voters!

 

[Red Dawn]

I wonder why it is that with Democrats firmly in control of the Legislature and the White House and set to retake the Judiciary that so many liberals are busy reminding every one every day that the Republicans are , well what ever comes to mind insert here.

If as you claim the party is done for and won't recover and can never get elected again, why do you spend so much time bitching about the party YOU claim is done for?

To what end besides beating a dead horse do you aspire IF as you post, there is no hope and chance?

Just curious.

because you and your party deserve to be reminded that you voted for Dumbya twice, nominated him twice as the best your party had to offer, supported and/or defended 98% of Bush's policies for 8 years, voted for republican candidates who voted with Bush 95% of the time, took us into a catastrophic and expensive unneccessary war, and drove this nation off the cliff.


Until you get on your knees and beg forgiveness for fucking this country over, you need to be reminded of how you got us here.

 

[manifold]

btw: Are republicans done bitching about Slick Willy yet?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

because you and your party deserve to be reminded that you voted for Dumbya twice, nominated him twice as the best your party had to offer, supported and/or defended 98% of Bush's policies for 8 years, voted for republican candidates who voted with Bush 95% of the time, took us into a catastrophic and expensive unneccessary war, and drove this nation off the cliff.


Until you get on your knees and beg forgiveness for fucking this country over, you need to be reminded of how you got us here.

This is an outstanding example of puppet-parroting! Regurgitation without cogitation done perfectly by another mindless, partisan, ideologue droid!

 

[auditor0007]

One of my fondest dreams is seeing the GOP in the gutter begging for some love and getting spit on.

It's just too good to pass up pointing out that they are.

That's the great liberal loving spirit. Let's work together and get along? Let's try to accomplish something positive? Nope, just kick your adversaries as hard as you can when they're down so that when they finally do get back up they'll bitch slap you back twice as hard.

For me, being more middle of the road on things, the vindictiveness of those on the left only pushes me further to the right. I'm sure when things swing back the other way, which I don't expect will be all that long, that they right will be happy to stick it back to you just the same.

 

[Ravi]

One of my fondest dreams is seeing the GOP in the gutter begging for some love and getting spit on.

It's just too good to pass up pointing out that they are.

That's the great liberal loving spirit. Let's work together and get along? Let's try to accomplish something positive? Nope, just kick your adversaries as hard as you can when they're down so that when they finally do get back up they'll bitch slap you back twice as hard.

For me, being more middle of the road on things, the vindictiveness of those on the left only pushes me further to the right. I'm sure when things swing back the other way, which I don't expect will be all that long, that they right will be happy to stick it back to you just the same.

Probably. But that doesn't lessen my enjoyment. I didn't like being called a traitor. I wonder if that bit of vindictiveness by the right pushed you further to the left?

 

[Ravi]

btw, where did this notion of the great liberal loving spirit spring from?

 

[manifold]

btw, where did this notion of the great liberal loving spirit spring from?

Hillary Clinton prolly.

 

[Amanda]

One of my fondest dreams is seeing the GOP in the gutter begging for some love and getting spit on.

It's just too good to pass up pointing out that they are.

That's the great liberal loving spirit. Let's work together and get along? Let's try to accomplish something positive? Nope, just kick your adversaries as hard as you can when they're down so that when they finally do get back up they'll bitch slap you back twice as hard.

For me, being more middle of the road on things, the vindictiveness of those on the left only pushes me further to the right. I'm sure when things swing back the other way, which I don't expect will be all that long, that they right will be happy to stick it back to you just the same.

That pretty much sums it up. Liberals act as if they occupy some kind of moral high ground but they prove they really don't so often it's hard to imagine who they think they're fooling. Themselves maybe? I dunno.