Why I hate many Civilians - A Military-member's Manifesto

[sealybobo]

Try almost all of them.

Here, let's try some rough numbers. And I will use your numbers.

37,000 "homeless veterans".

Number of veterans on GWOT: In excess of 3 million.

Now correct me if I am wrong, but 47,000 out of 3 million is significantly less than 1%. Such a small percentage it is almost insignificant and is completely absorbed into any kind of probability of error percentage.

Yet you are saying "a lot of them come home and find their way". In reality, all of them come home and find their way, and only a miniscule percent fail and become drunk and drug using bums.

Yes, as always your obvious hatred and political baggage is visible in almost every post you make. And what is funny once again is that your hatred for things political has completely blinded you to the reality.

Veterans are 50% more likely to become homeless than other Americans due to poverty, lack of support networks, and dismal living conditions in overcrowded or substandard housing. About 1.5 million veterans are considered at-risk of homelessness.

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New research looks at why so many veterans end up on the street.​

Why Are So Many Veterans Homeless?

New research looks at why so many veterans end up on the street.

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Oh I'm sorry. I thought this was a problem in America. Just looking at why. I notice you guys love to point fingers at black people in ghettos and give them advice on what they are doing wrong but you don't want to hear it back when it comes to you guys.

Interesting.

 

[sealybobo]

Really, what MOS school was it that teaches those jobs?

Once again, your outright prejudice, hatred, and nonsensical fantasies are what is saying that, not any kind of reality.

Army Culinary Specialists (MOS 92G) work very hard and fulfill an essential service.

Nonetheless, it’s far from the most glamorous Army job (as anyone that has experience in food service can attest to).

You can watch this video posted by the U.S. Army Recruiting Center (below) to get a better idea of the job role.

One thing to keep in mind is that Army recruiting material tends to romanticize the actual duties of the military profession.

Romanticize means lie. Embellish. Exaggerate.

You can watch this video posted by the U.S. Army Recruiting Center (below) to get a better idea of the job role.

One thing to keep in mind is that Army recruiting material tends to romanticize the actual duties of the military profession.

#3. Quartermaster & Chemical Equipment Repair (MOS 91J)​

#4. Shower, Laundry & Clothing Repair Specialist (MOS 92S)​

#2. Mortuary Affairs Specialist (MOS 92M)​

#1. Water Treatment Specialist (MOS 92W)​

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[Mushroom]

Even if he is arrogant he's justified.

He is a morning talk radio clown!

Holy hell, what, you think he is Walter Cronkite or something? He is a comedian who's entire bit for over 3 decades has been to be as offensive as he can be. And you think it is some kind of amazing journalism or something/

I get his show, it is not like he invented that format or schtick. I just don't like it, no more than I liked the movies of Carrottop or Pauley Shore. Or the early Adam Sandler or Jim Carrey. But don't tell me I don't "get him", I do. And rejected him decades ago as a rude clown.

Oh yes, and "respected by the entire music and movie industry". Like that is supposed to freaking impress me? Want to know who else was once respected by the entire "music and movie industry"?

Well, Gary Glitter to start. And Jimmy Savile, Michael Jackson, and of course Bill Cosby, Tiger Wood, OJ Simpson, Kevin Spacey, and Harvey Weinstein. Shall I continue?

Simply the fact that those and many dozens of more people were "idolized" even as a lot knew of their abuse towards others not only makes that statement pointless, it actually tends to show it is actually not a good thing at all to be "respected" by individuals such as that.

I see that one big problem is that you seem to equate the idolization of others as being of a major importance. You take your cues based on what others think and say, instead of from yourself. Hence, lots of people like somebody, so you and I must both like them also. Anybody that does not, they "do not get it". Well, having worked in "show business", consideration of such people having a high opinion means absolutely nothing to me, and is actually a negative. Most of them do not live in the real world in any way, and frequently try to shame people to live as they tell you to do, and not how they actually do.

 

[Mushroom]

Veterans are 50% more likely to become homeless than other Americans

Fake statistics, made to overhype an issue.

Hell, not that long ago our President stated over half of Americans are in the same risk.

Well, that is 50% of the population. Veterans are what, under 5% of the population? So once again, you are simply reacting to what is said, and not even trying to put actual thought into what is being said. Living purely on that emotional statement and not the reality behind it.

Oh, and you think those jobs are nonsense dead-end?

The average pay for a Mortician starts at over $50k, and can go up to well over $120k. You honestly think a cook in the military peels potatoes? Who in the hell do you think cooks for the President? Yep, Navy chefs. You have absolutely no idea what any of those jobs actually are, and are literally just picking names and screaming about them.

Admit it, you just hate the military, and love to blast it constantly from a horribly uninformed position. You love the adulation of others, and appear to be willing to say anything for such adulation.

Me on the other hand, am I am sure you will find most veterans are quite the opposite. This is my general response to such coprolite.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

Different subject. But a lot of companies simply will not hire veterans.

Then you have the other big issue, how many of those "37,000 homeless veterans" are actually looking for jobs? I bet not many. Even if that is an accurate number, most are more interested in their drink and drugs than in getting a job and rejoining society.

That's not true at all.

 

[sealybobo]

He is a morning talk radio clown!

Holy hell, what, you think he is Walter Cronkite or something? He is a comedian who's entire bit for over 3 decades has been to be as offensive as he can be. And you think it is some kind of amazing journalism or something/

I get his show, it is not like he invented that format or schtick. I just don't like it, no more than I liked the movies of Carrottop or Pauley Shore. Or the early Adam Sandler or Jim Carrey. But don't tell me I don't "get him", I do. And rejected him decades ago as a rude clown.

Oh yes, and "respected by the entire music and movie industry". Like that is supposed to freaking impress me? Want to know who else was once respected by the entire "music and movie industry"?

Well, Gary Glitter to start. And Jimmy Savile, Michael Jackson, and of course Bill Cosby, Tiger Wood, OJ Simpson, Kevin Spacey, and Harvey Weinstein. Shall I continue?

Simply the fact that those and many dozens of more people were "idolized" even as a lot knew of their abuse towards others not only makes that statement pointless, it actually tends to show it is actually not a good thing at all to be "respected" by individuals such as that.

I see that one big problem is that you seem to equate the idolization of others as being of a major importance. You take your cues based on what others think and say, instead of from yourself. Hence, lots of people like somebody, so you and I must both like them also. Anybody that does not, they "do not get it". Well, having worked in "show business", consideration of such people having a high opinion means absolutely nothing to me, and is actually a negative. Most of them do not live in the real world in any way, and frequently try to shame people to live as they tell you to do, and not how they actually do.

You clearly don't listen if you think his entire bit for over 3 decades has been to be as offensive as he can be. He has evolved. He is the best interviewer and he gets the best guests.

He didn't invent his format? Who did it before him?

No, I love Howard personally. I don't care how many other people love him I was just trying to explain to you why you are wrong. I guess you aren't wrong it's a matter of personal taste. I drive around listening and laughing. I like the stupid shit.

But I listen to all other radio personalities with their YUK YUK bullshit sense of humor and it's not funny. Howard is the one and only. When he's gone, no one will replace him. He's great at what he does. The greatest.

 

[sealybobo]

Fake statistics, made to overhype an issue.

Hell, not that long ago our President stated over half of Americans are in the same risk.

Well, that is 50% of the population. Veterans are what, under 5% of the population? So once again, you are simply reacting to what is said, and not even trying to put actual thought into what is being said. Living purely on that emotional statement and not the reality behind it.

Oh, and you think those jobs are nonsense dead-end?

The average pay for a Mortician starts at over $50k, and can go up to well over $120k. You honestly think a cook in the military peels potatoes? Who in the hell do you think cooks for the President? Yep, Navy chefs. You have absolutely no idea what any of those jobs actually are, and are literally just picking names and screaming about them.

Admit it, you just hate the military, and love to blast it constantly from a horribly uninformed position. You love the adulation of others, and appear to be willing to say anything for such adulation.

Me on the other hand, am I am sure you will find most veterans are quite the opposite. This is my general response to such coprolite.

I don't hate the military and those aren't fake statistics. I think your numbers previously were bullshit. What did you say? Number of veterans on GWOT: In excess of 3 million. So 37,000 is a small percentage of that 3 million?

First of all, what is GWOT?

 

[Mushroom]

I don't hate the military and those aren't fake statistics. I think your numbers previously were bullshit. What did you say? Number of veterans on GWOT: In excess of 3 million. So 37,000 is a small percentage of that 3 million?

First of all, what is GWOT?

Wow, this really shows how little you know about this topic, or anything to do with the military. Did you really ask me what GWOT was? You could not even bother to pull away from your nonsensical rants to look for yourself if you did not know?

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

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In other words, the "Global War on Terror", every conflict the US has been involved in since 2001. And yes, that is in excess of 3 million people in the past 2 decades.

As for how small of a percentage that is, I now present to you this most amazing thing. It is called "math". In it, you use one number and manipulate it with another to come up with facts. That in fact is how you come up with the "percentage" you mentioned earlier.

And in that, you divide the number of veteran homeless that you presented, and divide that by the number of veterans in the last 20 years. And come up with...

1.23%.

So yes, by using the amazing thing known as "math", I can show that in fact, the amount of "veteran homeless" is in fact insignificant even when compared to the GWOT veterans.

Now if you want to try and blow this up even more, I can do even more neat tricks with this "math thing". Like compare your 37,000 homeless vets, and compare that to the roughly 19 million living veterans in the US. In fact, now the percentage of homeless vets to living vets is way down to an amazing 0.19%. So yes, insignificant.

This is why I am laughing. You are so obsessed in showing that you care, that you did not even realize that this "Dumb Infantryman" knows what math is, and how to use it. And can apply logic before even going that far to know instinctively that 37,000 is in fact an almost insignificant percentage of 3,000,000.

 

[Mushroom]

Now, let me play with this "math" a bit more.

By taking the figures of approximately 500,000 homeless in the country and then using this magical thing called "math", I now magically produce the percentage of homeless that are veterans.

Reay? Drum roll please....

7%

Now for one, I do not believe most of the numbers because they are largely made up. But I am taking your claims and that of the administration as they are.

So yes, 7% is insignificant when compared to 93%.

Math, it's an amazing thing. Lets you compare numbers to each other, and see if one is really larger.

 

[Ringo]

You mean when the Serbians and their thug leader were slaughtering Muslims, committing genocide, and violating many UN resolutions to stop?

Are you still, after 20 years, under the influence of this Goebbels propaganda? Then maybe you also can tell me what was in Colin Powell's test tube, which he showed at the UN, and where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction for which the United States committed aggression against Iraq?

 

[Mushroom]

and where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction for which the United States committed aggression against Iraq?

Oh, that is rather simple. They were destroyed

What, are you not even aware that multiple bunkers of chemical weapons were turned over in 2009, when Iraq joined the UN Chemical Weapon Convention? And that weapons were found located all over the country after the invasion?

In fact, some of the most amazing things to come out of WikiLeaks was the ample evidence contained within those classified documents that they were locating chemical weapons all over the country. Kind of like all the other weapons he tried to hide, and the mass graves that keep popping up everywhere.

WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq - With Surprising Results

By late 2003, even the Bush White House’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal that for years afterward, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs...

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[sealybobo]

Wow, this really shows how little you know about this topic, or anything to do with the military. Did you really ask me what GWOT was? You could not even bother to pull away from your nonsensical rants to look for yourself if you did not know?

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

lmgtfy.app

In other words, the "Global War on Terror", every conflict the US has been involved in since 2001. And yes, that is in excess of 3 million people in the past 2 decades.

As for how small of a percentage that is, I now present to you this most amazing thing. It is called "math". In it, you use one number and manipulate it with another to come up with facts. That in fact is how you come up with the "percentage" you mentioned earlier.

And in that, you divide the number of veteran homeless that you presented, and divide that by the number of veterans in the last 20 years. And come up with...

1.23%.

So yes, by using the amazing thing known as "math", I can show that in fact, the amount of "veteran homeless" is in fact insignificant even when compared to the GWOT veterans.

Now if you want to try and blow this up even more, I can do even more neat tricks with this "math thing". Like compare your 37,000 homeless vets, and compare that to the roughly 19 million living veterans in the US. In fact, now the percentage of homeless vets to living vets is way down to an amazing 0.19%. So yes, insignificant.

This is why I am laughing. You are so obsessed in showing that you care, that you did not even realize that this "Dumb Infantryman" knows what math is, and how to use it. And can apply logic before even going that far to know instinctively that 37,000 is in fact an almost insignificant percentage of 3,000,000.

Well you threw me with the GWOT. I kept thinking Greatest of all time. LOL.

The GWOT has been raging since 2001 right? That's why it's not fair to add all those people who served up and then apply that number to the 37,000 who are homeless right now. Or at risk of being homeless.

But I will agree with you. The number of vets who fail to find their way after service is probably small.

Relax. I respect you guys. I'm just not going to be sensitive to your feelings here. You know who you guys sound like when you cry that we don't respect the troops? You sound like the WOKE crowd. Trannies who complain we don't respect them.

 

[Mushroom]

The GWOT has been raging since 2001 right? That's why it's not fair to add all those people who served up and then apply that number to the 37,000 who are homeless right now.

Wait, what? According to you, we are specifically talking about "Veteran Homelessness". Now suddenly, it is "unfair" to add up the number of veterans in the last 20 years and compare one to the other? But you are the one that is insisting it is a major problem, how can we determine if it is or not unless we determine the scale of the issue? Unless you do that, how do we know if it is a problem or not? Or are we all supposed to just accept it is an issue because you say it is, without thinking about it at all first?

In other words, you are sick of having your face rubbed in the fact that you are wrong about the scope of the issue, and are seeking to change the parameters. That I guess we must accept that there is a huge "homeless veteran" issue, even though at most we are talking about barely 1% of veterans, or 7% of the homeless no matter how you do the calculations.

Look, I would love to help all of those addicts. But we can't lock them up and force treatment on them, and quite obviously when faced with the choice of keeping a job and home or taking their drugs, they made the choice that their drugs were more important than anything else. So unless we are allowed to force them into treatment or they are willing on their own to give up their drugs, there is absolutely nothing we can do.

The same goes for the large percentage with mental health issues. We can't lock them up anymore, so unless they are willing to go in for treatment and take their medication there is nothing that can be done for them.

Welcome to Liberal Wonderland. Where everybody is allowed to do their own thing, nobody has a right to judge anybody for anything, those are simply lifestyle choices of those who decided to lead unconventional lives. And in places like California even theft has become normalized, and people will actually scream at those trying to stop criminals and saying to leave them alone.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

A lot of homeless people claim veteran's status even though they never served.

Works wonders, if you're begging for example.

Faking a missing leg or blindness helps too.

 

[Mushroom]

A lot of homeless people claim veteran's status even though they never served.

Works wonders, if you're begging for example.

Faking a missing leg or blindness helps too.

Hell, just combine all of them.

 

[sealybobo]

Wait, what? According to you, we are specifically talking about "Veteran Homelessness". Now suddenly, it is "unfair" to add up the number of veterans in the last 20 years and compare one to the other? But you are the one that is insisting it is a major problem, how can we determine if it is or not unless we determine the scale of the issue? Unless you do that, how do we know if it is a problem or not? Or are we all supposed to just accept it is an issue because you say it is, without thinking about it at all first?

In other words, you are sick of having your face rubbed in the fact that you are wrong about the scope of the issue, and are seeking to change the parameters. That I guess we must accept that there is a huge "homeless veteran" issue, even though at most we are talking about barely 1% of veterans, or 7% of the homeless no matter how you do the calculations.

Look, I would love to help all of those addicts. But we can't lock them up and force treatment on them, and quite obviously when faced with the choice of keeping a job and home or taking their drugs, they made the choice that their drugs were more important than anything else. So unless we are allowed to force them into treatment or they are willing on their own to give up their drugs, there is absolutely nothing we can do.

The same goes for the large percentage with mental health issues. We can't lock them up anymore, so unless they are willing to go in for treatment and take their medication there is nothing that can be done for them.

Welcome to Liberal Wonderland. Where everybody is allowed to do their own thing, nobody has a right to judge anybody for anything, those are simply lifestyle choices of those who decided to lead unconventional lives. And in places like California even theft has become normalized, and people will actually scream at those trying to stop criminals and saying to leave them alone.

I'll admit when I'm licked.

 

[Mushroom]

I'll admit when I'm licked.

I admit it is an issue, one I have been in myself, and still care greatly about.

But only a small percentage of homeless are like I was, and that way because of economics. In short, California unemployment does not even cover rent, let alone all the other things you need to survive. Out of work for more than a month or so in LA, and you will be burning through your savings, or on the street.

For me, it was only until I got back to work again. But one thing about living like that, I got to see the real issue first hand. And the biggest problems are substance abuse and mental illness (quite often the mental illness is caused by the substances abused).

And having worked with such individuals both in the military and civilian community, there is not a damned thing you can do short of incarceration to help those people until they are willing to stop using the drugs or get out of the bottle on their own. You can give them free housing, money to cover anything they want, and in the end all you are doing is supporting their self-destructive behavior.

And if you look anywhere that the homeless problem is the worst, the government is right there as an enabling co-dependent. Mostly to show that "they care". By giving them clean needles, safe places to shoot up, and now in many places actually getting involved in the distribution.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I believe he is a fictional character.

His father was NOT a military leader but ran a winery in France, despite both being fictional characters.

 

[Mushroom]

His father was NOT a military leader but ran a winery in France, despite both being fictional characters.

Turns out he was actually talking about Sir Patrick Stewart. He can not tell the difference between an actor, and the role he played. I guess if he was not so well known for that role, he would have called him Sir Leondegrace or Gurney Halleck.

Indeed, the actor's father was an NCO in the Royal Army. As well as an alcoholic and abuser. But once again, so what?

Is the claim being made that everybody in the military beats their spouse and kids? Or that ever abuser was in the military?

Yet more things that have not a damned thing to do with the military, but the person's prejudices.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Turns out he was actually talking about Sir Patrick Stewart. He can not tell the difference between an actor, and the role he played. I guess if he was not so well known for that role, he would have called him Sir Leondegrace or Gurney Halleck.

Indeed, the actor's father was an NCO in the Royal Army. As well as an alcoholic and abuser. But once again, so what?

Is the claim being made that everybody in the military beats their spouse and kids? Or that ever abuser was in the military?

Yet more things that have not a damned thing to do with the military, but the person's prejudices.

I knew exactly who that dumbass was talking about. He has obviously never watched Star Trek: the Next Generation or Picard.