Why I am a Republican

[Bfgrn]

There is no sin except stupidity.
Oscar Wilde

Posts the guy who claims that Authoritarians like Josef Stalin and Pol Pot were conservatives..


Ya just can't make this shit up!

They weren't liberals. Your parochial indoctrination is contributing to your moron-ship.

What tenets, beliefs, orthodoxy and ideology would Stalin want to CONSERVE? Capitalism? The US Constitution??

There is no sin except stupidity.
Oscar Wilde

 

[JakeStarkey]

We have been through this before: Stalin et al were not conservatives. They were authoritarians. The five year programs were not conservative.

 

[Bfgrn]

We have been through this before: Stalin et al were not conservatives. They were authoritarians. The five year programs were not conservative.

Of course he was. You are also letting your parochial indoctrination cloud your thinking. If we follow your line of thinking, the ONLY conservatives are in America. THINK man.

YOU tell us:
What tenets, beliefs, orthodoxy and ideology would Stalin want to CONSERVE? Capitalism? The US Constitution??

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am allowing myself to use accepted, professional, educational definitions and terms.

That you are as blindered with your set faith and belief as are the reactionaries to the far right or libertarians is and remains only your problem.

 

[thanatos144]

Look at the stupid progressives thinking communists are like conservatives lol fucking idiots

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[Uncensored2008]

They weren't liberals.

Neither are you.

They were leftists, just like you and your shameful party.

Your parochial indoctrination is contributing to your moron-ship.

Irony lives - this from the nutjob who thinks Pol Pot was "politically conservative."

What tenets, beliefs, orthodoxy and ideology would Stalin want to CONSERVE? Capitalism? The US Constitution??

You're drooling, you should call the attendant to see to that.

There is no sin except stupidity.
Oscar Wilde

Then you are one of the great sinners.

 

[Bfgrn]

I am allowing myself to use accepted, professional, educational definitions and terms.

That you are as blindered with your set faith and belief as are the reactionaries to the far right or libertarians is and remains only your problem.

Please provide accepted, professional, educational definitions and terms?

And PLEASE tell us...What tenets, beliefs, orthodoxy and ideology would Stalin want to CONSERVE? Capitalism? The US Constitution??

 

[Uncensored2008]

Of course he was. You are also letting your parochial indoctrination cloud your thinking. If we follow your line of thinking, the ONLY conservatives are in America. THINK man.

YOU tell us:
What tenets, beliefs, orthodoxy and ideology would Stalin want to CONSERVE? Capitalism? The US Constitution??

Bfgrn, you are just a wee bit less rational than a Jonestown resident.

You define "conservative" as "evil." In your festering madness, this resolves to a radical and revolutionary like Josef Stalin, who participated in the utter destruction of the status quo being called "conservative" by you - because party drives your reality. You have no grasp of rational thought, only service to your shameful party.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Look at the stupid progressives thinking communists are like conservatives lol fucking idiots

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Oh, Bfgrn isn't stupid - not by a long shot.

He is insane - really, clinically insane - but not stupid.

In his mind, the goals of the party are considered, then reality is altered to fit those goals. At times he is quite creative in his distortions of reality.

 

[Bfgrn]

Look at the stupid progressives thinking communists are like conservatives lol fucking idiots

tapatalk post

Socialism is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the economy works. Democracy is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the government works. "Democracy," said Marx, "is the road to socialism." He was wrong about how economics and politics interact, but he did see their similar underpinnings.

Communism is conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just the Party Secretary) have any say in how the economy works. Republicans are conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just people controlling the Party figurehead) have any say in how the government works. The conservatives in the US are in the same position as the communists in the 30s, and for the same reason: Their revolutions failed spectacularly but they refuse to admit what went wrong.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Socialism is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the economy works. Democracy is liberal. More people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the government works. "Democracy," said Marx, "is the road to socialism." He was wrong about how economics and politics interact, but he did see their similar underpinnings.

Communism is conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just the Party Secretary) have any say in how the economy works. Republicans are conservative. Fewer and fewer people (preferably just people controlling the Party figurehead) have any say in how the government works. The conservatives in the US are in the same position as the communists in the 30s, and for the same reason: Their revolutions failed spectacularly but they refuse to admit what went wrong.

Thanks Humpty!

{'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.' }

 

[Bfgrn]

Of course he was. You are also letting your parochial indoctrination cloud your thinking. If we follow your line of thinking, the ONLY conservatives are in America. THINK man.

YOU tell us:
What tenets, beliefs, orthodoxy and ideology would Stalin want to CONSERVE? Capitalism? The US Constitution??

Bfgrn, you are just a wee bit less rational than a Jonestown resident.

You define "conservative" as "evil." In your festering madness, this resolves to a radical and revolutionary like Josef Stalin, who participated in the utter destruction of the status quo being called "conservative" by you - because party drives your reality. You have no grasp of rational thought, only service to your shameful party.

RUSSIA: Conservative Dictator
Monday, Aug. 08, 1927

 

[Bfgrn]

Look at the stupid progressives thinking communists are like conservatives lol fucking idiots

tapatalk post

Oh, Bfgrn isn't stupid - not by a long shot.

He is insane - really, clinically insane - but not stupid.

In his mind, the goals of the party are considered, then reality is altered to fit those goals. At times he is quite creative in his distortions of reality.

Hey 'Libertarian Radical', here is what one of your heroes had to say about conservatism...

“If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands.”
Douglas Adams

Why I am Not a Conservative by F. A. Hayek

In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles, his main hope must be that the wise and the good will rule - not merely by example, as we all must wish, but by authority given to them and enforced by them.

When I say that the conservative lacks principles, I do not mean to suggest that he lacks moral conviction. The typical conservative is indeed usually a man of very strong moral convictions. What I mean is that he has no political principles which enable him to work with people whose moral values differ from his own for a political order in which both can obey their convictions. It is the recognition of such principles that permits the coexistence of different sets of values that makes it possible to build a peaceful society with a minimum of force. The acceptance of such principles means that we agree to tolerate much that we dislike.

To live and work successfully with others requires more than faithfulness to one's concrete aims. It requires an intellectual commitment to a type of order in which, even on issues which to one are fundamental, others are allowed to pursue different ends.

It is for this reason that to the liberal neither moral nor religious ideals are proper objects of coercion, while both conservatives and socialists recognize no such limits.

In the last resort, the conservative position rests on the belief that in any society there are recognizably superior persons whose inherited standards and values and position ought to be protected and who should have a greater influence on public affairs than others. The liberal, of course, does not deny that there are some superior people - he is not an egalitarian - but he denies that anyone has authority to decide who these superior people are. While the conservative inclines to defend a particular established hierarchy and wishes authority to protect the status of those whom he values, the liberal feels that no respect for established values can justify the resort to privilege or monopoly or any other coercive power of the state in order to shelter such people against the forces of economic change. Though he is fully aware of the important role that cultural and intellectual elites have played in the evolution of civilization, he also believes that these elites have to prove themselves by their capacity to maintain their position under the same rules that apply to all others.

Closely connected with this is the usual attitude of the conservative to democracy. I have made it clear earlier that I do not regard majority rule as an end but merely as a means, or perhaps even as the least evil of those forms of government from which we have to choose. But I believe that the conservatives deceive themselves when they blame the evils of our time on democracy. The chief evil is unlimited government, and nobody is qualified to wield unlimited power. The powers which modern democracy possesses would be even more intolerable in the hands of some small elite.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am allowing myself to use accepted, professional, educational definitions and terms.

That you are as blindered with your set faith and belief as are the reactionaries to the far right or libertarians is and remains only your problem.

Please provide accepted, professional, educational definitions and terms?

And PLEASE tell us...What tenets, beliefs, orthodoxy and ideology would Stalin want to CONSERVE? Capitalism? The US Constitution??

I am using the ones that we learned in high school and college and have used all of my adult life.

You want to change the terminology, so don't be surprised when called out.

 

[Redfish]

And you far right reactionary meatheads keep trying to break the government and impoverish your fellow citizens.

completely wrong. Balancing the budget and following the constitution is the only way to save the country and give every citizen a chance at the american dream.

Your idea of every increasing government and huge debt will destroy this nation and put us all in poverty---------but you should be happy because we will all be EQUALLY miserable.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Uncensored2008 defines himself as well as Bfgrn with "In his mind, the goals of the party are considered, then reality is altered to fit those goals. At times he is quite creative in his distortions of reality."

 

[Redfish]

Uncensored2008 defines himself as well as Bfgrn with "In his mind, the goals of the party are considered, then reality is altered to fit those goals. At times he is quite creative in his distortions of reality."

as are you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And you far right reactionary meatheads keep trying to break the government and impoverish your fellow citizens.

completely wrong. Balancing the budget and following the constitution is the only way to save the country and give every citizen a chance at the american dream.

Your idea of every increasing government and huge debt will destroy this nation and put us all in poverty---------but you should be happy because we will all be EQUALLY miserable.

Cutting spending and bringing the budget into line are commendable goals, but you are attempting to do it by shutting down government and defaulting the debt, which will indeed make all Americans miserable.

 

[Bfgrn]

I am allowing myself to use accepted, professional, educational definitions and terms.

That you are as blindered with your set faith and belief as are the reactionaries to the far right or libertarians is and remains only your problem.

Please provide accepted, professional, educational definitions and terms?

And PLEASE tell us...What tenets, beliefs, orthodoxy and ideology would Stalin want to CONSERVE? Capitalism? The US Constitution??

I am using the ones that we learned in high school and college and have used all of my adult life.

You want to change the terminology, so don't be surprised when called out.

THANK YOU! You just defined 'parochial indoctrination'

 

[Redfish]

And you far right reactionary meatheads keep trying to break the government and impoverish your fellow citizens.

completely wrong. Balancing the budget and following the constitution is the only way to save the country and give every citizen a chance at the american dream.

Your idea of every increasing government and huge debt will destroy this nation and put us all in poverty---------but you should be happy because we will all be EQUALLY miserable.

Cutting spending and bringing the budget into line are commendable goals, but you are attempting to do it by shutting down government and defaulting the debt, which will indeed make all Americans miserable.

NOT true. 15% of the govt was shut down for a short time---no one really noticed, unless you wanted to visit a national monument.

NO ONE ever suggested defaulting on the debt, paying the interest on the debt always comes first, and there was and is plenty of govt revenue to service the debt.

You have no idea what the words "default on the debt" mean, do you?