Why Haven't Obama's Policies Helped The Economy?

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how dare Obama, trying to stop this obviously very successful economic model!

Why dont you round up a posse and take it back by force.


Since the Smith Barney way of earning it isnt in the cards.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Why Haven't Obama's Policies Helped The Economy?

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Why Haven't Obama's Policies Helped The Economy?

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That's all wonderful, Shaman...but it doesn't explain why Obama's policies were such failures when the Republicans had no power at all and were forced to sit on the sidelines and watch as Barack, Nancy and Harry did their thing. The ongoing whine from the Left that the reason things aren't better is because of Republican "obstructionism" is laughable. The reason the GOP controls the House is that the American people were so unhappy with what the Democrats did the first two years of the Obama Administration.

 

[Polk]

There's a difference: Wynn knows what he's talking about.

Not really. Wynn can claim he's a Democrat all he wants, but his history of pouring dump trucks of money on Republicans says otherwise.

So you think his claims are due to ideology and not what he's seen happening in business.

If that comforts you.

It's either from ideology or he's dumb as shit (since his claims are totally false). Take your pick.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Why? Because he's never held a job, ran a business, and doesn't understand basic economic principles.

 

[boedicca]

The stimulus worked

Prove it

Hmm. Well, pre-Obama we were losing 700,000 jobs per month.

By my calculation, had we continued losing that many, we'd have lost another 25,000,000 by now. With a labor force of, lets say 150M, and UE of 7% at that time, that would make UE about 23% by now.

As with all economic theory of course, you can't 'Prove' with any certainty what caused the change in trend, but it sure feng shuied nice with Obama's tenure.

That is a completely ignorant analysis - and indicative of the stupid linear thinking Moonbats apply to economics.

Obama took over as the recession was in its final throes. Of course the economy was shedding jobs. Once the recession officially ended in July 2009, unemployment should have started to bottom out - and then actually decrease once real economic growth kicked in. Obamanomics, however, retarded growth by vastly increasing the size of government and redistributing wealth and capital to low return activities.

Prime example: $19B wasted on creating a mere 3,545 Green Jobs...at a cost of nearly $5M per job.

If that capital had been left in the private sector in a climate favorable for the private sector, real entrepreneurs would have created orders of magnitude more jobs with that amount of money.

Obama green-tech program that backed Solyndra struggles to create jobs - The Washington Post

 

[Firehorse]

Polk, you asked for a regulation, pit in by Obama that is killing jobs. I gave you the example of the oil gas moritorium in the gulf

Is this were you say "oh, I guess I was wrong" or is there where you ignore facts?

 

[Cuyo]

Prove it

Hmm. Well, pre-Obama we were losing 700,000 jobs per month.

By my calculation, had we continued losing that many, we'd have lost another 25,000,000 by now. With a labor force of, lets say 150M, and UE of 7% at that time, that would make UE about 23% by now.

As with all economic theory of course, you can't 'Prove' with any certainty what caused the change in trend, but it sure feng shuied nice with Obama's tenure.

And if we had done no stimulus at all it's your contention that jobs would have continued to be lost at a rate of 700,000 per month? I think you know as well as I do that isn't the case, Cuyo.

Or if we'd spent that trillion in stimulus solely on the private sector would we have created "real" jobs two years ago that would have us coming out of this recession now instead of looking like we're headed back into a double dip?

No, of course I'm aware that would not have been the case.

Any insinuation that the recession has become 'worse' since Obama has become President, however, is intellectually bankrupt for those reasons.

I have no problem debating when somebody says the improvement is in spite of Obama and not because of Obama, but screeching that he made it worse is ridiculous.

 

[boedicca]

It's intellectually valid to assume that, had Obama not grossly inflated the size of government, added a very expensive new entitlement, increased regulatory burdens, and set the stage for huge tax increases, the economy would be performing in a much healthier fashion.

Only a Koolaid drinking idiot would think that he made things better.

 

[Firehorse]

Try to tell those on the gulf in the oil and gas industry and everyone that stops at a gas station that Obama hasn't made it worse. Gas was under $2 a gallon before Obama

 

[LordBrownTrout]

It's intellectually valid to assume that, had Obama not grossly inflated the size of government, added a very expensive new entitlement, increased regulatory burdens, and set the stage for huge tax increases, the economy would be performing in a much healthier fashion.

Only a Koolaid drinking idiot would think that he made things better.

That and he wants another 500B dollar stimulus. It didn't work the first time so let's do it again. That's what you get when you hire a person who doesn't know the rules or principles of basic economics. We're paying the price right now.

 

[Firehorse]

Releasing that one moritorium, one that he himself put in place would instantly put people back to work after he PERSONALY REMOVED THEIR JOBS. How much do you think gas prices would drop? You don't thing that life would be better if Obama got rid of his own regulation that has as it's only effect to raise gas prices and put people out of work?

 

[boedicca]

It's intellectually valid to assume that, had Obama not grossly inflated the size of government, added a very expensive new entitlement, increased regulatory burdens, and set the stage for huge tax increases, the economy would be performing in a much healthier fashion.

Only a Koolaid drinking idiot would think that he made things better.

That and he wants another 500B dollar stimulus. It didn't work the first time so let's do it again. That's what you get when you hire a person who doesn't know the rules or principles of basic economics. We're paying the price right now.

This pretty much says it all:

The bankruptcy of solar-panel maker Solyndra neatly encapsulates the economic, political and intellectual bankruptcy of Barack Obama’s Big Idea. It was the president’s intention back in 2009 to begin centrally reorganizing the U.S. economy around the supposed climate-change crisis.

To what end? Well, Obama claimed his election would mark “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.” But that was just the cover story. At its core, Obamanomics is about the top-down redistribution of wealth and income. Government spending on various “green” subsidies and programs, along with a cap-and-trade system to limit carbon emissions, would enrich key Democrat constituencies: lawyers, public sector unions, academia and non-profits.

Oh, and Wall Street, too. Who was the exclusive financial adviser to Solyndra when it was trying to secure the $535 million loan from Washington? Goldman Sachs. And had the cap-and-trade scheme been enacted, big banks stood ready to reap billions from the trading of carbon emission credits.

James Pethokoukis | Analysis & Opinion | Reuters.com

 

[Firehorse]

And don't give me that "we want to protect the sea turtles" crap. If you wanted to protect sea turtles your would be all about killing sea gulls because they kill about 80% of the baby sea turtles before they get to the water

 

[LordBrownTrout]

And don't give me that "we want to protect the sea turtles" crap. If you wanted to protect sea turtles your would be all about killing sea gulls because they kill about 80% of the baby sea turtles before they get to the water

Remember the Toad tunnel in Ca? Our arrogance on display once again. We're interfering with nature, trying for good intentions and causing the exact opposite. Electrical lights in the tunnel ended up killing thousands of toads AND birds were waiting on the other ends of the tunnels for a quick breakfast, dinner.

 

[daveman]

Because Communism, Socialism, Marxism doesn't work.
WHY?
Because the structure denies incentive, innovation and correct information.
This in turn leads to dissatisfaction waste and inefficiency.
And this is what we have now and why his policies do not work. They never have in the past and they won't work in the future.

No, no, it doesn't work because the US always interfered! Now that WE'RE in charge, it'll work great!!

/drooling idiot leftist (pardon the redundancy)

 

[daveman]

I agree with all this. there needs to be a massive redistribution of wealth downwards to make up for the massive upward redistribution we've seen over the past thirty years. until it happens the economy will never recover properly. Also, too, re-regulate the financial system or face constant crisises every few years.

Instead of being a sissy bedwetter and insisting the government do it for you, why don't you go get some of that wealth for yourself?

You can either work for it or steal it.

 

[The T]

It's intellectually valid to assume that, had Obama not grossly inflated the size of government, added a very expensive new entitlement, increased regulatory burdens, and set the stage for huge tax increases, the economy would be performing in a much healthier fashion.

Only a Koolaid drinking idiot would think that he made things better.

That and he wants another 500B dollar stimulus. It didn't work the first time so let's do it again. That's what you get when you hire a person who doesn't know the rules or principles of basic economics. We're paying the price right now.

With everything going on as far as what Obama and the Statist Democrats have done...we have been relegated to mediore status in the world economically. With another porkulus proposed by Obama? He wishes to keep us in mediocrity.

It is entirely unacceptable.

 

[daveman]

And we are going to take my hard earned money and give it to some non-working lazy bum for what reason again?

Because it makes leftists feel good about "helping".

 

[The T]

And we are going to take my hard earned money and give it to some non-working lazy bum for what reason again?

Because it makes leftists feel good about "helping".

Our road to Hell has been paved with the good intentions by these Statists.