Why does the department of homeland security need 200 million rounds of hollow point

[bigrebnc1775]

I realize this is old news, not sure if this subject has been discussed here. But anyway on August 22, 2009

Winchester Ammunition was awarded a contract by the Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security to supply a maximum of 200 million, 40 cal. rounds over the next five years.

The load selected for this contract is a 135-grain, hollow point designed for the office of Field Operations of Customs and Border Protection. It will fall under the Winchester Ranger line.

Winchester to Deliver 200 Million 40-Cal. Rounds to Homeland Security
200 million rounds that the military cannot use because of some treaty that was signed years ago, because Hollow point rounds are supposed to be inhumane to use. So why did the obama administration allow this?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

To kill citizens of the United States of America.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

To kill citizens of the United States of America.

Why most are sheeple.

 

[editec]

WEll let's see..

There's about 1,000,000 armed (or armable) agents of the government in this nation.

That's about 200 rounds per agent.

That ought firepower to be enough to maintain order, don't you think?

 

[martybegan]

Hollow point rounds are preferred by law enforcement agents due to thier shorter range and lesser penentration values. Full metal jacket rounds such as those used (and mandated by international law) by the military have more penetration power, going right through people, thin walls, etc. Law enforcement combat tends to be shorter in range, and typically in urban or semi urban locations. Typically you want a round you shoot to hit your target and stop, and if you miss you want a wall you hit to not be penetrated and risk innocent bystanders. Hollow points are desgined to embed themselves in whatever they hit. While this does more damage to the intended target the FMJ it reduces risk to non targets for the reasons above. This also means a law enforcement officer can expect fewer rounds to bring the target down, also minimizing the need for more shots, which carry the risk of striking innocent bystanders.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

WEll let's see..

There's about 1,000,000 armed (or armable) agents of the government in this nation.

That's about 200 rounds per agent.

That ought firepower to be enough to maintain order, don't you think?

The order was placed specificly for
Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security

No all government departments

 

[William Joyce]

To kill any whites who resist Obama's Army? Just asking the question. Merry Christmas, Homeland Security! I mean, Happy Hannukah/Kwanzaa!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Hollow point rounds are preferred by law enforcement agents due to thier shorter range and lesser penentration values. Full metal jacket rounds such as those used (and mandated by international law) by the military have more penetration power, going right through people, thin walls, etc. Law enforcement combat tends to be shorter in range, and typically in urban or semi urban locations. Typically you want a round you shoot to hit your target and stop, and if you miss you want a wall you hit to not be penetrated and risk innocent bystanders. Hollow points are desgined to embed themselves in whatever they hit. While this does more damage to the intended target the FMJ it reduces risk to non targets for the reasons above. This also means a law enforcement officer can expect fewer rounds to bring the target down, also minimizing the need for more shots, which carry the risk of striking innocent bystanders.

True I am wel aware of the distinction between FMJ and HP Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security deals with illegals most of the time. I would think it would cause an international incident if a non U.S. citizens were shot with a hollow point whether than a FMJ round, since it's mandated by international law

 

[zzzz]

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has awarded Winchester Ammunition the single largest ammunition contract in the history of federal law enforcement worth a maximum of $54 million.
Winchester Ammunition will produce .40 S&W service ammunition, training ammunition, reduced lead training ammunition and frangible ammunition for the FBI for one base year (2009?), with four, one-year renewal options.
Winchester’s enhanced .40 S&W service ammunition is a 180-grain, bonded jacketed hollow point round and was selected over all other rounds that were tested.

Winchester® Ammunition is proud to announce that it recently was awarded a second contract to service the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). In addition to its contract with the FBI to supply 40 Smith & Wesson loads, Winchester Ammunition will also supply 9mm Luger ammunition.

The new 9mm Luger contract is worth a maximum of $54 million, and the two contracts combined will be worth a maximum of $108 million over five years - the largest ammunition contracts in the history of federal law enforcement.

As you can see the FBI uses hollow points too!

 

[martybegan]

Hollow point rounds are preferred by law enforcement agents due to thier shorter range and lesser penentration values. Full metal jacket rounds such as those used (and mandated by international law) by the military have more penetration power, going right through people, thin walls, etc. Law enforcement combat tends to be shorter in range, and typically in urban or semi urban locations. Typically you want a round you shoot to hit your target and stop, and if you miss you want a wall you hit to not be penetrated and risk innocent bystanders. Hollow points are desgined to embed themselves in whatever they hit. While this does more damage to the intended target the FMJ it reduces risk to non targets for the reasons above. This also means a law enforcement officer can expect fewer rounds to bring the target down, also minimizing the need for more shots, which carry the risk of striking innocent bystanders.

True I am wel aware of the distinction between FMJ and HP Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security deals with illegals most of the time. I would think it would cause an international incident if a non U.S. citizens were shot with a hollow point whether than a FMJ round, since it's mandated by international law

the acts are taking place on our own soil. The agents in question are law enforcement, not millitary, and the perpetrators are not part of any military organization. International standards do not apply.

The only scenario would be if they tangled with Mexican Army forces, and in that case they would be using handguns vs. automatic rifles.

 

[Douger]

I realize this is old news, not sure if this subject has been discussed here. But anyway on August 22, 2009

Winchester Ammunition was awarded a contract by the Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security to supply a maximum of 200 million, 40 cal. rounds over the next five years.

The load selected for this contract is a 135-grain, hollow point designed for the office of Field Operations of Customs and Border Protection. It will fall under the Winchester Ranger line.

Winchester to Deliver 200 Million 40-Cal. Rounds to Homeland Security
200 million rounds that the military cannot use because of some treaty that was signed years ago, because Hollow point rounds are supposed to be inhumane to use. So why did the obama administration allow this?

Those will be used on YOU........when the time comes.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Hollow point rounds are preferred by law enforcement agents due to thier shorter range and lesser penentration values. Full metal jacket rounds such as those used (and mandated by international law) by the military have more penetration power, going right through people, thin walls, etc. Law enforcement combat tends to be shorter in range, and typically in urban or semi urban locations. Typically you want a round you shoot to hit your target and stop, and if you miss you want a wall you hit to not be penetrated and risk innocent bystanders. Hollow points are desgined to embed themselves in whatever they hit. While this does more damage to the intended target the FMJ it reduces risk to non targets for the reasons above. This also means a law enforcement officer can expect fewer rounds to bring the target down, also minimizing the need for more shots, which carry the risk of striking innocent bystanders.

True I am wel aware of the distinction between FMJ and HP Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security deals with illegals most of the time. I would think it would cause an international incident if a non U.S. citizens were shot with a hollow point whether than a FMJ round, since it's mandated by international law

the acts are taking place on our own soil. The agents in question are law enforcement, not millitary, and the perpetrators are not part of any military organization. International standards do not apply.

The only scenario would be if they tangled with Mexican Army forces, and in that case they would be using handguns vs. automatic rifles.

The agents in question are law enforcement, not millitary, and the perpetrators are not part of any military organization.

Mexican military has been caught crossing the border.
Border Incursion In Hudspeth County - News Story - KFOX El Paso

 

[zzzz]

True I am wel aware of the distinction between FMJ and HP Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security deals with illegals most of the time. I would think it would cause an international incident if a non U.S. citizens were shot with a hollow point whether than a FMJ round, since it's mandated by international law

Duh! Hollow points are outlawed in the LOAC not for general police use. It is only in war that you cannot use hollow points internationally.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I realize this is old news, not sure if this subject has been discussed here. But anyway on August 22, 2009

Winchester Ammunition was awarded a contract by the Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security to supply a maximum of 200 million, 40 cal. rounds over the next five years.

The load selected for this contract is a 135-grain, hollow point designed for the office of Field Operations of Customs and Border Protection. It will fall under the Winchester Ranger line.

Winchester to Deliver 200 Million 40-Cal. Rounds to Homeland Security
200 million rounds that the military cannot use because of some treaty that was signed years ago, because Hollow point rounds are supposed to be inhumane to use. So why did the obama administration allow this?

Those will be used on YOU........when the time comes.

I'm sure I'll be ready when the time comes.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

True I am wel aware of the distinction between FMJ and HP Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security deals with illegals most of the time. I would think it would cause an international incident if a non U.S. citizens were shot with a hollow point whether than a FMJ round, since it's mandated by international law

Duh! Hollow points are outlawed in the LOAC not for general police use. It is only in war that you cannot use hollow points internationally.

Don't stop at one post water head keep reading.

 

[JBeukema]

True I am wel aware of the distinction between FMJ and HP Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security deals with illegals most of the time. I would think it would cause an international incident if a non U.S. citizens were shot with a hollow point whether than a FMJ round, since it's mandated by international law

the acts are taking place on our own soil. The agents in question are law enforcement, not millitary, and the perpetrators are not part of any military organization. International standards do not apply.

The only scenario would be if they tangled with Mexican Army forces, and in that case they would be using handguns vs. automatic rifles.

The agents in question are law enforcement, not millitary, and the perpetrators are not part of any military organization.

Mexican military has been caught crossing the border.
Border Incursion In Hudspeth County - News Story - KFOX El Paso

In the future, please link to news outlets who didn't go to court over the right to lie and tell the nation Loredo had been taken over by the Zetas when noone in Loredo heard of any such thing.

 

[JBeukema]

One thing to keep in mind is that the Mexican Army is, in reality, almost entirely composed of the various drug lords' hitmen.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

the acts are taking place on our own soil. The agents in question are law enforcement, not millitary, and the perpetrators are not part of any military organization. International standards do not apply.

The only scenario would be if they tangled with Mexican Army forces, and in that case they would be using handguns vs. automatic rifles.

The agents in question are law enforcement, not millitary, and the perpetrators are not part of any military organization.

Mexican military has been caught crossing the border.
Border Incursion In Hudspeth County - News Story - KFOX El Paso

In the future, please link to news outlets who didn't go to court over the right to lie and tell the nation Loredo had been taken over by the Zetas when noone in Loredo heard of any such thing.

Is this better?
Border patrol agent held at gunpoint - Washington Times

 

[blu]

freedumb of course

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Civil unrest is often the by product of economic collapse.


PENTAGON HAS BEEN ‘WAR GAMING’ FOR ECONOMIC DISASTER SINCE EARLY ‘09
Posted on December 7, 2010 at 10:09am by Jonathon M. Seidl Print »Email »

While we learned yesterday that the U.S. is preparing its domestic response to a potential economic collapse, the bigger story might be that the U.S. has been playing such “war games” for almost two years.

“The Pentagon sponsored a first-of-its-kind war game last month focused not on bullets and bombs — but on how hostile nations might seek to cripple the U.S. economy, a scenario made all the more real by the global financial crisis.” That’s how Politico reporter Eamon Javers (now with CNBC and who brought us Monday’s report) began an article dated April 9, 2009.

In that article, he describes how the U.S. first began preparing for an economic collapse. “Participants sat along a V-shaped set of desks beneath an enormous wall of video monitors displaying economic data,” he writes. “Their efforts were carefully observed and recorded by uniformed military officers and members of the U.S. intelligence community.”

The Office of the Secretary of Defense hosted the two-day event March 17 and 18, 2009, at the Warfare Analysis Laboratory in Laurel, MD.

The “game” didn’t end well for the United States: “the savviest economic warrior proved to be China.”

Pentagon Has Been ‘War Gaming’ for Economic Disaster Since Early ‘09 | The Blaze