Why does the department of homeland security need 200 million rounds of hollow point

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    I realize this is old news, not sure if this subject has been discussed here. But anyway on August 22, 2009

    Winchester Ammunition was awarded a contract by the Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security to supply a maximum of 200 million, 40 cal. rounds over the next five years.

    The load selected for this contract is a 135-grain, hollow point designed for the office of Field Operations of Customs and Border Protection. It will fall under the Winchester Ranger line.

    Winchester to Deliver 200 Million 40-Cal. Rounds to Homeland Security
    200 million rounds that the military cannot use because of some treaty that was signed years ago, because Hollow point rounds are supposed to be inhumane to use. So why did the obama administration allow this?
     
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    To kill citizens of the United States of America.
     
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    Why most are sheeple.
     
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    WEll let's see..

    There's about 1,000,000 armed (or armable) agents of the government in this nation.

    That's about 200 rounds per agent.

    That ought firepower to be enough to maintain order, don't you think?
     
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    Hollow point rounds are preferred by law enforcement agents due to thier shorter range and lesser penentration values. Full metal jacket rounds such as those used (and mandated by international law) by the military have more penetration power, going right through people, thin walls, etc. Law enforcement combat tends to be shorter in range, and typically in urban or semi urban locations. Typically you want a round you shoot to hit your target and stop, and if you miss you want a wall you hit to not be penetrated and risk innocent bystanders. Hollow points are desgined to embed themselves in whatever they hit. While this does more damage to the intended target the FMJ it reduces risk to non targets for the reasons above. This also means a law enforcement officer can expect fewer rounds to bring the target down, also minimizing the need for more shots, which carry the risk of striking innocent bystanders.
     
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    The order was placed specificly for
    Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security

    No all government departments
     
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    To kill any whites who resist Obama's Army? Just asking the question. Merry Christmas, Homeland Security! I mean, Happy Hannukah/Kwanzaa!
     
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    True I am wel aware of the distinction between FMJ and HP Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security deals with illegals most of the time. I would think it would cause an international incident if a non U.S. citizens were shot with a hollow point whether than a FMJ round, since it's mandated by international law
     
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    As you can see the FBI uses hollow points too!
     
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    the acts are taking place on our own soil. The agents in question are law enforcement, not millitary, and the perpetrators are not part of any military organization. International standards do not apply.

    The only scenario would be if they tangled with Mexican Army forces, and in that case they would be using handguns vs. automatic rifles.
     

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