Why do you like Bush ?

[spillmind]

isn't it funny how when relevant points are made, bushies always change the subject, get all macho, and the whole thread digresses?

Don't worry too much about spilly. He's the resident wacko liberal. Not to be confused with the resident drunken liberal, psychoblues or the resident psycho liberal, Bullypulpit.

still stuck in kindergarten.

no points to refute, just trifle insults. way to represent your point of view. dismiss anything you don't agree with without even a leg to stand on. your cronies may eat it up because it's easier. but anyone with common sense isn't fooled. bring a little substance next time. and spare us all your kindergarten name calling ALREADY.

intresting how recruiters target low income neighborhoods, isn't it? let me guess, that is a total coindience, as well. it doesn't strike you as odd that out of all the senate and the house, only one member has a family member serving? another complete coincidence.

my point is, if bush felt so strongly about this war, why does he send others off to die? don't you think you woud take it a little bit more seriously if his daughters were there? go ahead, avoid that question and call me a whacko liberal again. you people are so predictable.

still waiting on one point to be disputed about F9/11. since most of you live in fear of the truth, or just denial, i'll offer to paypal any of you in to see the movie, and then you can show up with a little content.

till then, offer a arguement, instead of character assassination. it's beyond stale.

 

[dilloduck]

First ya gotta pay me to sit through it--and that includes popcorn !

 

[Zhukov]

Fifty-nine Deceits of Fahrenheit 9/11

if bush felt so strongly about this war, why does he send others off to die?

Um....because that's his job.

don't you think you woud take it a little bit more seriously if his daughters were there?

No.

Did you complain when Chelsea or the Gore daughters, weren't driving Humvees through the streets of Mogadishu?

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by spillmind
still waiting on one point to be disputed about F9/11.

Richard Clarke has already publicly disputed the events surrounding Bin Ladens family leaving the country. The decision was entirely his and he admitted to it already.

There's your one point, and it took me 3 seconds.

 

[spillmind]

First ya gotta pay me to sit through it--and that includes popcorn !

i'll pay for the popcorn, too

Richard Clarke has already publicly disputed the events surrounding Bin Ladens family leaving the country. The decision was entirely his and he admitted to it already.

oh yes, bush didn't say a word. i guess it was a COMPLETE COINCIDENCE WHY these people were flown out. and it had NOTHING to do with the bush family close business ties, right?

i've already seen those fifty nine 'deciets'

while i consider it a cop out to post someone else's work who has actually seen the film, there are some half-truths, and that is what is mostly disputed. you'll notice he's strecthing quite a bit on a lot of the points. he also concedes there is a lot of truth in that movie, and you'll notice he'd rather try to dispute the most minor detail rather than acknowlegde the larger truth at hand.

no one will sue MM over this movie for slander or dis information, because it is largely true.

Did you complain when Chelsea or the Gore daughters, weren't driving Humvees through the streets of Mogadishu?

no, but then again, who's to say i condoned presence there? and it's his job? he was trying to overstate the iraq threat, and no one can deny that. his underestimated the resistance, underestimated the troop prescence, and overestimated the threat on intelligence that was simply wrong. i'm sorry, but he's just not qualified for the job. america can do much, MUCH better than that.

 

[Bonnie]

Originally posted by spillmind
isn't it funny how when relevant points are made, bushies always change the subject, get all macho, and the whole thread digresses?

still stuck in kindergarten.

no points to refute, just trifle insults. way to represent your point of view. dismiss anything you don't agree with without even a leg to stand on. your cronies may eat it up because it's easier. but anyone with common sense isn't fooled. bring a little substance next time. and spare us all your kindergarten name calling ALREADY.

intresting how recruiters target low income neighborhoods, isn't it? let me guess, that is a total coindience, as well. it doesn't strike you as odd that out of all the senate and the house, only one member has a family member serving? another complete coincidence.

Here is my answer to that SPILLY................

Actually thats the Left's job to act and be holier than thou and they do... you do... You are an unbeleivably intolerant and closed minded person who have shown exactly what your true colors are.

I saw MM's movie, and it was riddled with lies, he spliced and edited and manipulated showing Houssein as this wonderful leader kissing babies, never showing once how he and the men under him killed tortured and killed some more, still finding the bodies........ MM does not love his country, he wants to change the country to fit HIS idea of a SOCIALISTIC America.....One which most Americans do not agree with. He won't debate his movie with anyone who he knows will point out all the lies because he is a lying coward who made an awful lot of money slandering our President and our country and our soldiers....Remember the scene in which an Iraqi woman is screaming at the loss of her child, and then MM cuts to the next scene which you see American soldiers whooping it up and talking about how they love
killing like they are at a sporting event.......Moore makes it look
as though the two events are related to suit his own agenda!!!

You want to talk about FLIP FLOPS
How about the fact that John Edwards and Kerry both supported the war, saw the same materials the president did, and eagerly jumped on the boat.........Now they are oh excuse me were and are opposed to the war????????HMMMMMM

Edwards told Chris Mathews point blank that he would go into Iraq with what ever coalition we had at the time even if Russia, China, and France said no......Remember that HMMMMMMM??

The truth is Kerry and Edwards have nothing to run on!!

The economy is great and getting even better
Iraq is on it's way to becoming a free and democratic country
And yes Bush is Pro-life and is trying to put Pro Life justices in but the Democrats are unconstitutionally blocking that effort and have been for 3 years now.
Bush is doing a great job in keeping us safe so far since 9/11

THE REAL TRUTH is Liberals want their power back and the media is more than willing to help even if it means putting our country at risk with a souless, guttless, hypocritical man like Kerry who has no real vision for America other than sending our troops out into
harms way under the directive of the UN (an impotent, and corrupt debating society) and to raise taxes which will only accomplish stoping all economic growth especially for small business which makes up 80% of the GDP.......... And don't dare tell me he only wants to tax the rich because that is bullshit........There aren't enough rich people to tax to come up with the numbers he is talking about so that means taxing the middle class as well

You are obviously a very angry, and unhappy person who has disdain for Christians and anyone who disagrees with you..I feel sorry for you. Your rage and closed mindedness has left you blind to the truth.

 

[insein]

Now you see why i don't bother. You keep dreaming spilly. I'll be enjoying another 4 years of prosperity under Bush.

 

[spillmind]

Now you see why i don't bother.

show up with a freaking point once in a while instead of name calling, and we'll call it good.

if bush wins, it will be a truly sad day for america.

 

[Bonnie]

Originally posted by spillmind
show up with a freaking point once in a while instead of name calling, and we'll call it good.

if bush wins, it will be a truly sad day for america.

If Bush wins we all win.........If Kerry wins God Help Us!!!!!!!!!

 

[Annie]

Bonnie, I agree. IF Kerry wins, he has basically said that UN will determine our national interests and security. The terrorists will know that it would take a Security Council vote, which would never come out for action, thus they may procede with impunity.

Not a good idea.

 

[Bonnie]

Originally posted by Kathianne
Bonnie, I agree. IF Kerry wins, he has basically said that UN will determine our national interests and security. The terrorists will know that it would take a Security Council vote, which would never come out for action, thus they may procede with impunity.

Not a good idea.

Not only is that not a good idea but the very notion of it terrifies to death!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bonnie]

Just For Laughs.............


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[spillmind]

Actually thats the Left's job to act and be holier than thou and they do... you do... You are an unbeleivably intolerant and closed minded person who have shown exactly what your true colors are.

yeah, whatever

I saw MM's movie, and it was riddled with lies, he spliced and edited and manipulated showing Houssein as this wonderful leader kissing babies, never showing once how he and the men under him killed tortured and killed some more, still finding the bodies........

NEWSFLASH, honey, it was IRAN that gassed the turks, and not only that, it was the US that gave him that firepower. and ON TOP OF THAT, we didn't take him out in the first gulf war RIGHT AFTER HIS WORST CRIMES. of all the 'evil dictators (on the CIA payroll), why single our hussien. your agruement SERIOUSLY lacks consistency. there are plenty of oppressive regimes that torture and kill their people, but saddam was the worst? the biggest threat? you're only lying to yourself if you really believe that. why did we buy algeria's UN vote to invade while their goverment was killing their own people? you can't and won't answer that.

MM does not love his country, he wants to change the country to fit HIS idea of a SOCIALISTIC America.....

um.. that's a first. he is a true believer in america, and knows that our people are the ones taking the biggest hit while bush's accounts just get fatter. wake up, please?

He won't debate his movie with anyone who he knows will point out all the lies because he is a lying coward who made an awful lot of money slandering our President and our country and our soldiers....

huh? you can't prove this nonsense. it's your opinion. and you're entitled to it.

Remember the scene in which an Iraqi woman is screaming at the loss of her child, and then MM cuts to the next scene which you see American soldiers whooping it up and talking about how they love

umm... sure, i don't agree with how far left he leans, but that is FOOTAGE, and it is REAL, and i'm sorry you don't like it. im sure you'd rather picture it as all rosy, and just pretend both of those clips don't even exist.

You want to talk about FLIP FLOPS How about the fact that John Edwards and Kerry both supported the war, saw the same materials the president did, and eagerly jumped on the boat.........Now they are oh excuse me were and are opposed to the war????????HMMMMMM

look lady, nearly EVERYONE voted for the war. i don't agree with it. and i don't even like the fact that they both did. but to me, that flip flop PALES in comparison to condi and powell saying they've got saddam locked down, a stranglehold on his supply of arms and capability in 2000, and then in 2001, turn right around and tell the complete opposite story! not even one year later! HOW CAN YOU DENY THAT KIND OF BS?! you're ok with that??!

The economy is great and getting even better

um. yeah. let's see the jobs. bush has only got about 1.8 million to be created by nov to break even that lie only fools people foolish enough to believe it. try dealing with FACTS, not perception.

Iraq is on it's way to becoming a free and democratic country

:rotflmao: oh... you were being serious. i thought you were making a joke. you mean a democracy like afghanistan? a democracy under martial law? ARE YOU SERIOUS? come back to reality, dear.

And yes Bush is Pro-life and is trying to put Pro Life justices in but the Democrats are unconstitutionally blocking that effort and have been for 3 years now.

yes, christians want to keep power. we all know this. today is sunday. do you think bush is at church praying that no more soldiers will die? or maybe he's praying that gay's can't get married? who are you kidding. really.

Bush is doing a great job in keeping us safe so far since 9/11

yeah. keep holding onto that false sense of security. you'll realise how false it is if you ever manage to travel outside the country in the modern world.

THE REAL TRUTH is Liberals want their power back and the media is more than willing to help even if it means putting our country at risk with a souless, guttless, hypocritical man like Kerry who has no real vision for America other than sending our troops out into harms way under the directive of the UN (an impotent, and corrupt debating society) and to raise taxes which will only accomplish stoping all economic growth especially for small business which makes up 80% of the GDP.......... And don't dare tell me he only wants to tax the rich because that is bullshit........There aren't enough rich people to tax to come up with the numbers he is talking about so that means taxing the middle class as well

wow, i thought *i* had some kind of nerve.... and i thought *i* was the one who was paranoid. first of all, the power belongs to the PEOPLE. not to the government, it's OUR COUNTRY. and to call kerry a soulless...??!! gutless??? hypocrite?! you've really amazed me there. bush was doing coke and driving drunk and dodging the texas national gaurd while kerry was serving. THIS IS A FACT. don't insult our intelligence again, please?

and as for unecessarily sending our troops into harm's way? are YOU KIDDING ME??!! :flabbergasted: did you see the part where moore says that the troops are what makes this country great (not our slimy politicians), representing the hard work, the diversity, and everything to be proud for in the USA??? and all they ask is that we don't send them into harm's way unless it was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY??!!! WAS THIS WAR ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY? *ahem* !!!!!!!!!!!

and as for taxes, you don't need to be an economist to realise that taxes are going to have to go up with higher spending and more needs. you want to know where all of our money goes? take a look at this analogy. ...and it's TRUTH, not some libbie commie lie, ok? (paranoid)
sheesh.

You are obviously a very angry, and unhappy person who has disdain for Christians and anyone who disagrees with you..I feel sorry for you. Your rage and closed mindedness has left you blind to the truth.

yeah, yeah. don't push your religion on me, because i would never push mine on you. it's a personal choice, and it SHOULD NEVER BE IMPOSED, and we have that right in the constitution. do you oppose this right, too? or do you just think all the non believers are going to hell? and don't try telling me what the truth is, unless you've got some newsmax links to back it up :rotflmao:

go ahead, turn on those blinders on high and dismiss this all as FICTION. and go pray, why you're at it. our once great USA is going to need it!

 

[spillmind]

Bonnie, I agree. IF Kerry wins, he has basically said that UN will determine our national interests and security. The terrorists will know that it would take a Security Council vote, which would never come out for action, thus they may procede with impunity.

'basically said'? you mind linking this before we assume this is fact?

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by spillmind
'basically said'? you mind linking this before we assume this is fact?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-0407110452jul11,1,1304900.column?coll=chi-news-col


The stresses of a presidential campaign have not enhanced their reputation for candor. Kerry has done a fine job of having it both ways on Iraq, voting for the resolution giving Bush authority to invade but now decrying it as a mistake.

During the primary campaign, he and Edwards offered the same remedy for Iraq: letting the United Nations and NATO take over. It's a solution on the order of planning to pay your bills by winning the lottery. It isn't going to happen, they know it isn't going to happen--and, what's more, they probably know we know they know it isn't going to happen.

 

[BlueGin]

Originally posted by spillmind

still waiting on one point to be disputed about F9/11. since most of you live in fear of the truth, or just denial, i'll offer to paypal any of you in to see the movie, and then you can show up with a little content.

Here is one point disputed by the very person who would know more than MM himself.


***Former White House terrorism czar Richard Clarke, who served as a principal source for conspiracy filmmaker Michael Moore's movie "Fahrenheit 9/11," said this week that the central premise of the film is "a lie."

In an interview with the Associated Press, Clarke took issue with Moore's criticism that President Bush allowed prominent Saudis, including members of Osama bin Laden's family, to fly out of the U.S. in the days after the 9/11 attacks.

Saying Moore's version of the episode has provoked "a tempest in a tea pot," Clarke called his decision to make the bin Laden family flyout a big part of the film's indictment against Bush "a lie."

"After 9/11, I think the Saudis were perfectly justified ... in fearing the possibility of vigilantism against Saudis in this country. When they asked to evacuate their citizens ... I thought it was a perfectly normal request," he explained. ***

Please note REAL carefully what Richard Clarke calls Micheal Moore's point of view......

 

[MtnBiker]

Originally posted by spillmind
my point is, if bush felt so strongly about this war, why does he send others off to die? don't you think you woud take it a little bit more seriously if his daughters were there? go ahead, avoid that question and call me a whacko liberal again. you people are so predictable.

The very thought that the current or any President sends US servicemen into harms way with a sense of "apathy" or less seriousness is completely absurd. Isn't easy to be critical from the sideline with a political bais and come to such conclusions. You and I will not be burden with such a responsiblity but making such general statements shows your lack of character. It is reasonable to not like the President, his action and policies. It is not reasonable to believe he (and again any President) does so with an easy heart.

 

[spillmind]

The stresses of a presidential campaign have not enhanced their reputation for candor. Kerry has done a fine job of having it both ways on Iraq, voting for the resolution giving Bush authority to invade but now decrying it as a mistake.

....is MUCH MUCH DIFFERENT THAN:

IF Kerry wins, he has basically said that UN will determine our national interests and security.

that's a spin if i ever saw one, and simple propaganda.

 

[spillmind]

"After 9/11, I think the Saudis were perfectly justified ... in fearing the possibility of vigilantism against Saudis in this country. When they asked to evacuate their citizens ... I thought it was a perfectly normal request," he explained.

then, how do you explain how bush sr. was grounded, while these people were allowed to leave? most without questioning?

while disputing that the WH ordered the flights, or clarke himself ordered the flights, they WERE CLEARED, and it was for a very important reason. however, you think it's more important to battle about who ordered them, rather than the seriousness of the matter? i don't want to imply that your priorities are out of whack.... but.....

 

[spillmind]

The very thought that the current or any President sends US servicemen into harms way with a sense of "apathy" or less seriousness is completely absurd. Isn't easy to be critical from the sideline with a political bais and come to such conclusions. You and I will not be burden with such a responsiblity but making such general statements shows your lack of character. It is reasonable to not like the President, his action and policies. It is not reasonable to believe he (and again any President) does so with an easy heart.

instead of you or i trying to assume what in the world bush was thinking getting up into this mess, you can't deny he was pushing it, and you cannot say we exhausted diplomatic measures. saddam CONCEDED a month prior to invasion, but bush had his mind made up.

and to answer my question, was that a 'yes'? at any point, did you think this invasion was ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY?

...please keep in mind that powell and condi told the truth about saddam a year earlier, and then totally contradicted themselves right before the war.