Why do people put up with the US healthcare system?

[healthmyths]

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
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Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

Private Health Insurance


Many Irish citizens opt for private health insurance. It gives them more choice of where to have treatment, and more importantly, it bypasses sometimes-lengthy waiting lists.

Individuals from outside the EU/EEA who are “normally resident” in Ireland should be able to purchase health insurance.

The cost of private health insurance is Ireland is a fraction of what it costs in other developed nations.
Individuals can have cover from as little as €555 ($875.00 )per annum, irrespective of age, sex or “risk status”.
Health Care in Ireland - International Living Countries

 

[Freewill]

The federal government is responsible for the massive rise in health care costs. If you want to fix the system then you need you kick the government out, not give them more seats at the table.

Government?
The USA has the highest healthcare cost per capita of all developed nations in the world. All other developed nations (with the exception of Turkey), have healthcare systems run by their governments. It's called socialized medicine.View attachment 88574

How does that ALONE cut costs? The administrative part of healthcare in the US is about 5 percent. Do you think that it would be cheaper if the government ran it?

Based on the world of facts, other countries have much less expensive healthcare than the US and they are all socialist.

Which one are you flying to for open heart surgery because of their quality of care?

 

[kiwiman127]

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

Well you seemed to ignore one of the issues PredFan pointed out..."FDA costs of drugs"...
What about this shows the US creates over twice as many drugs as the other 5 countries.

1) Average cost to develop ONE DRUG (including failures!!!) $2.6 BILLION! Per drug... and takes 10 years!
http://www.phrma.org/sites/default/files/pdf/2015_phrma_profile.pdf
2) Which Countries Excel in Creating New Drugs? It’s Complicated | Xconomy

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And all these drugs are sold worldwide, yet in the US, we pay 2-5 times more. So we get raped and the rest of the world slides by with dramatic lower pricing. How does that dictate our quality of healthcare?
What's your point?

Pretty simple! We are PAYING for the development here in this country! So you want more companies to go off shore keep bitching and calling these drug companies
the names you are and they will be gone! Case in point...
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d9b4fd34-ca3f-11e3-8a31-00144feabdc0.html#axzz4JcFHJAdy

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You have to kidding? Right?
US citizens should be jumping in joy for getting raped by Big Pharma, while the rest of thew world pays pennies on the dollar of what Americans pay?
Or, the Big Fear approach, Big Pharma will move offshore. I wonder how many of 10's of millions would care if Big Pharma went offshore, if the exchange was the same price for drugs that the rest of the planet pays?

 

[healthmyths]

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
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Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

YUP! And you are comparing

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
View attachment 88616
View attachment 88617
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

Right and idiots like you can't seem to understand that the above countries combined HAVE 30 million fewer people then the USA!
Those 10 countries have 291.2 million vs USA 322 million! Geez and you expect we should have the same costs???
I love it when people like you take and don't look just a little deeper!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“Why do people put up with the US healthcare system?”

Conservatives love the US healthcare system.

In fact, if the system could be made more inefficient, more wasteful, with fewer Americans having access to affordable healthcare, conservatives would love the US system even more.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

“Why do people put up with the US healthcare system?”

Conservatives love the US healthcare system.

In fact, if the system could be made more inefficient, more wasteful, with fewer Americans having access to affordable healthcare, conservatives would love the US system even more.

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
View attachment 88616
View attachment 88617
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

Private Health Insurance


Many Irish citizens opt for private health insurance. It gives them more choice of where to have treatment, and more importantly, it bypasses sometimes-lengthy waiting lists.

Individuals from outside the EU/EEA who are “normally resident” in Ireland should be able to purchase health insurance.

The cost of private health insurance is Ireland is a fraction of what it costs in other developed nations.
Individuals can have cover from as little as €555 ($875.00 )per annum, irrespective of age, sex or “risk status”.
Health Care in Ireland - International Living Countries

Many countries have that.

And I often wonder if the so called "results" of these studies co-mingle the systems.

 

[frigidweirdo]

How a bite from a stray dog shows the sick state of U.S. healthcare

"The first shot at Royal Angkor International Hospital cost $125." (Cambodia)

"Jan received her second Verorab shot at a clinic in northern Thailand. The bill this time: A mere $18.50"

"Things changed dramatically once the Kerns returned to this country. For her third shot, Jan visited Torrance Memorial Medical Center. It was a Sunday, and she had to go to the emergency room, so that added considerably to her cost. The tab for a single injection: $5,254.85."


"“It’s obvious that our system is unlike any other health system,” said Uwe Reinhardt, a healthcare economist at Princeton University. “Other systems were set up to care for patients. Ours was set up by the providers — the hospitals and drug companies — for their own benefit.”"

Most countries in the world have healthcare to treat patients, the US has healthcare to make healthcare providers money.

So much money gets wasted in corruption, it's something like 3% of US GDP at the very least.

You need to ask Obama, he got healthcare passed and it could have pretty much said anything. Only problem he needed the drug companies' support so if you remember he struck a deal behind closed doors.

Sad what Obama put on America.

Obama had to work within the system. Had he been in another country it'd have been a lot easier. As it was he had opposition the whole way for the sake of opposition from people making a ton of money out of the system, and from those who seem to like to be over charged massively.

Agree but Obama should have smacked the rethugs down since he had a mandate at the beginning of his administration.

But then the US political system doesn't work like that. Change is hard.

 

[frigidweirdo]

How a bite from a stray dog shows the sick state of U.S. healthcare

"The first shot at Royal Angkor International Hospital cost $125." (Cambodia)

"Jan received her second Verorab shot at a clinic in northern Thailand. The bill this time: A mere $18.50"

"Things changed dramatically once the Kerns returned to this country. For her third shot, Jan visited Torrance Memorial Medical Center. It was a Sunday, and she had to go to the emergency room, so that added considerably to her cost. The tab for a single injection: $5,254.85."


"“It’s obvious that our system is unlike any other health system,” said Uwe Reinhardt, a healthcare economist at Princeton University. “Other systems were set up to care for patients. Ours was set up by the providers — the hospitals and drug companies — for their own benefit.”"

Most countries in the world have healthcare to treat patients, the US has healthcare to make healthcare providers money.

So much money gets wasted in corruption, it's something like 3% of US GDP at the very least.

You have NO problem though in suing the doctor here in the USA and so you idiots don't seem to understand then why we see THIS from 90% of doctors surveyed!

90% of physicians say they order duplicate tests,specialists referrals..at a cost of over $850 billion a year!

http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf
90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
--- Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
--- 79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
"Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the 1946 Federal Tort Claims Act. "
-- BUT........Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
Consider that fact that of the physicians interviewed, 52% DID NOT practice defensive medicine!
Who were the doctors that didn't practice "defensive medicine"?
Doctors contracted by federal government!
WHY did these doctors NOT practice "defensive medicine"??? 1946 Federal Tort reform Act!
The insurance companies don't care to argue these claims.
They pay the $850 billion. Simply raising premiums.
So how come Obamacare taxed tanning salons 10% because tanning causes tanning,
but they wouldn't tax lawyers' $270 Billion income.
If educated physicians are telling you they fear lawsuits and order duplicate tests, etc. why wasn't there any effort to reduce the $850 billion spent in duplicate testing,etc. possible?
The reason though lawyers were protected though is almost half of Congress and of course Obama are lawyers!
A simple reduction of the $850 billion a year in defensive medicine claims would have reduced the Aetna's claims cost and again THEY don't care because they simply raise their premiums!
So when Aetna wants to get out of Obamacare it's because they can't make that evil profit...which many of you ignorant dummies hold against Aetna and any other for profit organization...but you are so dumb!
It is out of these profits "RESERVES" are created. Without the "RESERVES" states' insurance regulators won't let insurance companies sell insurance. If the Aetnas' don't make profits ...no reserves... no state allows them to sell! It is that ...f....king SIMPLE but you idiots that are against "PROFITS" listen!
That's the ONLY way insurance companies can stay in the health insurance business.
So have Civilian TORT reform. Reduce the fear of Lawsuits! This WILL LOWER THE $850 BILLION A YEAR OF WASTED DUPLICATE TESTS,ETC.!!!

Wow, insults.

Second you presume to know me.

 

[frigidweirdo]

How a bite from a stray dog shows the sick state of U.S. healthcare

"The first shot at Royal Angkor International Hospital cost $125." (Cambodia)

"Jan received her second Verorab shot at a clinic in northern Thailand. The bill this time: A mere $18.50"

"Things changed dramatically once the Kerns returned to this country. For her third shot, Jan visited Torrance Memorial Medical Center. It was a Sunday, and she had to go to the emergency room, so that added considerably to her cost. The tab for a single injection: $5,254.85."


"“It’s obvious that our system is unlike any other health system,” said Uwe Reinhardt, a healthcare economist at Princeton University. “Other systems were set up to care for patients. Ours was set up by the providers — the hospitals and drug companies — for their own benefit.”"

Most countries in the world have healthcare to treat patients, the US has healthcare to make healthcare providers money.

So much money gets wasted in corruption, it's something like 3% of US GDP at the very least.

You need to ask Obama, he got healthcare passed and it could have pretty much said anything. Only problem he needed the drug companies' support so if you remember he struck a deal behind closed doors.

Sad what Obama put on America.

Obama had to work within the system. Had he been in another country it'd have been a lot easier. As it was he had opposition the whole way for the sake of opposition from people making a ton of money out of the system, and from those who seem to like to be over charged massively.

the republicans couldn't have stopped him. If they could have they would have. But they couldn't and now you wish to blame them for the mess Obama created. Takes a lot of gut defending the drug companies as the left wing likes to do.

You're just playing the partisan game. You're making assumptions about what I said. I'm not going to bother defending myself against your pointless attacks.

 

[kiwiman127]

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
View attachment 88616
View attachment 88617
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

YUP! And you are comparing

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
View attachment 88616
View attachment 88617
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

Right and idiots like you can't seem to understand that the above countries combined HAVE 30 million fewer people then the USA!
Those 10 countries have 291.2 million vs USA 322 million! Geez and you expect we should have the same costs???
I love it when people like you take and don't look just a little deeper!

Ha!
The way business plays out is the bigger the purchasing power, the better the price.
I was a buyer for a chain of men's clothing stores. The bigger we got the more purchasing power we had and the better prices we got from our vendors.
It's not rocket science, Einstein!
Go home, you're out of your league.

 

[healthmyths]

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
View attachment 88616
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Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

YUP! And you are comparing

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
View attachment 88616
View attachment 88617
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

Right and idiots like you can't seem to understand that the above countries combined HAVE 30 million fewer people then the USA!
Those 10 countries have 291.2 million vs USA 322 million! Geez and you expect we should have the same costs???
I love it when people like you take and don't look just a little deeper!

Ha!
The way business plays out is the bigger the purchasing power, the better the price.
I was a buyer for a chain of men's clothing stores. The bigger we got the more purchasing power we had and the better prices we got from our vendors.
It's not rocket science, Einstein!
Go home, you're out of your league.

Hey I wouldn't criticize your extensive expertise on what the best price to get for a pair of socks. That's your area.
Me... I'm an expert on health care finance to the point that over 7,000 times a day health care providers come to my business to see if they will
get paid on their claims. So I know health care finance.
And since you are an expert in buying socks I won't demean your expertise.
For example I don't think you are aware of it but every state in the union REQUIRES a health insurance company to make a profit which is used to build reserves to pay future claims. If they can't build reserves they can't be registered.
That's one little reality I don't think you ever considered and the ramifications when then you consider the "medical liability ratio" which again not
being an expert as I am compared to your expertise in buying socks, I don't expect you to have any idea what that means!
Suffice to say if you don't have a 80% or better ratio you are in trouble with the government...thanks to Obamacare!

 

[kiwiman127]

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
View attachment 88616
View attachment 88617
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

YUP! And you are comparing

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
View attachment 88616
View attachment 88617
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

Right and idiots like you can't seem to understand that the above countries combined HAVE 30 million fewer people then the USA!
Those 10 countries have 291.2 million vs USA 322 million! Geez and you expect we should have the same costs???
I love it when people like you take and don't look just a little deeper!

Ha!
The way business plays out is the bigger the purchasing power, the better the price.
I was a buyer for a chain of men's clothing stores. The bigger we got the more purchasing power we had and the better prices we got from our vendors.
It's not rocket science, Einstein!
Go home, you're out of your league.

Hey I wouldn't criticize your extensive expertise on what the best price to get for a pair of socks. That's your area.
Me... I'm an expert on health care finance to the point that over 7,000 times a day health care providers come to my business to see if they will
get paid on their claims. So I know health care finance.
And since you are an expert in buying socks I won't demean your expertise.
For example I don't think you are aware of it but every state in the union REQUIRES a health insurance company to make a profit which is used to build reserves to pay future claims. If they can't build reserves they can't be registered.
That's one little reality I don't think you ever considered and the ramifications when then you consider the "medical liability ratio" which again not
being an expert as I am compared to your expertise in buying socks, I don't expect you to have any idea what that means!
Suffice to say if you don't have a 80% or better ratio you are in trouble with the government...thanks to Obamacare!

I was never a buyer for socks. I bought upscale men's casual wear.
After I got my MBA, I went to work for a healthcare software company and was the director for EDI (claims and remittances), our largest client was world famous clinic based in Ohio (because of confidentiality, I am not allowed to name that client, but I'm sure you know who I am referring to.) And yes, they got the best price available due to their volume. Like all our clients, their cost was based on volume.
I was also aware of laws requiring financial reserves for future claims.
After that I was hired by national healthcare provider, where I oversee strategic planning. I am quite competent in healthcare finances.

 

[healthmyths]

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
View attachment 88616
View attachment 88617
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

YUP! And you are comparing

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
View attachment 88616
View attachment 88617
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

Right and idiots like you can't seem to understand that the above countries combined HAVE 30 million fewer people then the USA!
Those 10 countries have 291.2 million vs USA 322 million! Geez and you expect we should have the same costs???
I love it when people like you take and don't look just a little deeper!

Ha!
The way business plays out is the bigger the purchasing power, the better the price.
I was a buyer for a chain of men's clothing stores. The bigger we got the more purchasing power we had and the better prices we got from our vendors.
It's not rocket science, Einstein!
Go home, you're out of your league.

Hey I wouldn't criticize your extensive expertise on what the best price to get for a pair of socks. That's your area.
Me... I'm an expert on health care finance to the point that over 7,000 times a day health care providers come to my business to see if they will
get paid on their claims. So I know health care finance.
And since you are an expert in buying socks I won't demean your expertise.
For example I don't think you are aware of it but every state in the union REQUIRES a health insurance company to make a profit which is used to build reserves to pay future claims. If they can't build reserves they can't be registered.
That's one little reality I don't think you ever considered and the ramifications when then you consider the "medical liability ratio" which again not
being an expert as I am compared to your expertise in buying socks, I don't expect you to have any idea what that means!
Suffice to say if you don't have a 80% or better ratio you are in trouble with the government...thanks to Obamacare!

I was never a buyer for socks. I bought upscale men's casual wear.
After I got my MBA, I went to work for a healthcare software company and was the director for EDI (claims and remittances), our largest client was world famous clinic based in Ohio (because of confidentiality, I am not allowed to name that client, but I'm sure you know who I am referring to.) And yes, they got the best price available due to their volume. Like all our clients, their cost was based on volume.
I was also aware of laws requiring financial reserves for future claims.
After that I was hired by national healthcare provider, where I oversee strategic planning. I am quite competent in healthcare finances.

I don't have confidentiality with Cleveland clinic!
So being Director for EDI then you are very familiar with what 270/271s, 837/835s, 276/277CAs,997s,etc. are.
If then you are quite competent in health care finances then you are very aware the effort to create a single payer system in a country with 322 million diverse
ethnic, economically population is not achievable. What you should be aware of is the affect of trying to centralize a payment system across 50 states, with
different types of economic and lifestyles will not work.
Being conversant then with finances you of ALL people should be aware of several health care economic drivers...
1) EMTALA
2) Defensive Medicine--- over $500 billion a year in waste
3) The fallacy of "46 million uninsured Americans". Never were!
And if you want more details with LINKS regarding the above, I'm happy to oblige!

All of which has caused this mess we have now!
And with all that above knowledge you make for someone with your knowledge this statement:
"Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has. Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country."
And then you insult me?
With your knowledge you shouldn't really demean yourself with that type of statement KNOWING as you know that it is NOT true about access...again EMTALA???

 

[kiwiman127]

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
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Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

YUP! And you are comparing

I listed two studies, not just one, but also Forbes. How does The Commonwealth Fund for work for you?
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally
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View attachment 88617
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally

Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has.
Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country.

Right and idiots like you can't seem to understand that the above countries combined HAVE 30 million fewer people then the USA!
Those 10 countries have 291.2 million vs USA 322 million! Geez and you expect we should have the same costs???
I love it when people like you take and don't look just a little deeper!

Ha!
The way business plays out is the bigger the purchasing power, the better the price.
I was a buyer for a chain of men's clothing stores. The bigger we got the more purchasing power we had and the better prices we got from our vendors.
It's not rocket science, Einstein!
Go home, you're out of your league.

Hey I wouldn't criticize your extensive expertise on what the best price to get for a pair of socks. That's your area.
Me... I'm an expert on health care finance to the point that over 7,000 times a day health care providers come to my business to see if they will
get paid on their claims. So I know health care finance.
And since you are an expert in buying socks I won't demean your expertise.
For example I don't think you are aware of it but every state in the union REQUIRES a health insurance company to make a profit which is used to build reserves to pay future claims. If they can't build reserves they can't be registered.
That's one little reality I don't think you ever considered and the ramifications when then you consider the "medical liability ratio" which again not
being an expert as I am compared to your expertise in buying socks, I don't expect you to have any idea what that means!
Suffice to say if you don't have a 80% or better ratio you are in trouble with the government...thanks to Obamacare!

I was never a buyer for socks. I bought upscale men's casual wear.
After I got my MBA, I went to work for a healthcare software company and was the director for EDI (claims and remittances), our largest client was world famous clinic based in Ohio (because of confidentiality, I am not allowed to name that client, but I'm sure you know who I am referring to.) And yes, they got the best price available due to their volume. Like all our clients, their cost was based on volume.
I was also aware of laws requiring financial reserves for future claims.
After that I was hired by national healthcare provider, where I oversee strategic planning. I am quite competent in healthcare finances.

I don't have confidentiality with Cleveland clinic!
So being Director for EDI then you are very familiar with what 270/271s, 837/835s, 276/277CAs,997s,etc. are.
If then you are quite competent in health care finances then you are very aware the effort to create a single payer system in a country with 322 million diverse
ethnic, economically population is not achievable. What you should be aware of is the affect of trying to centralize a payment system across 50 states, with
different types of economic and lifestyles will not work.
Being conversant then with finances you of ALL people should be aware of several health care economic drivers...
1) EMTALA
2) Defensive Medicine--- over $500 billion a year in waste
3) The fallacy of "46 million uninsured Americans". Never were!
And if you want more details with LINKS regarding the above, I'm happy to oblige!

All of which has caused this mess we have now!
And with all that above knowledge you make for someone with your knowledge this statement:
"Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has. Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country."
And then you insult me?
With your knowledge you shouldn't really demean yourself with that type of statement KNOWING as you know that it is NOT true about access...again EMTALA???

You are all over the place, stick to the topic.
Being as you have absolutely no problem with the cost of healthcare.
I just suggest you read this from the Rand Corporation and get a clue.
The bottom-line of this piece is that soaring healthcare costs is not only a threat to the typical American family, but also a threat to the US consumer driven economy. That's a fact Bucko. You'd be hard pressed to find any economist who would disagree with these facts.
How Does Growth in Health Care Costs Affect the American Family?
How Does Growth in Health Care Costs Affect the American Family? | RAND

 

[healthmyths]

YUP! And you are comparing
Right and idiots like you can't seem to understand that the above countries combined HAVE 30 million fewer people then the USA!
Those 10 countries have 291.2 million vs USA 322 million! Geez and you expect we should have the same costs???
I love it when people like you take and don't look just a little deeper!

Ha!
The way business plays out is the bigger the purchasing power, the better the price.
I was a buyer for a chain of men's clothing stores. The bigger we got the more purchasing power we had and the better prices we got from our vendors.
It's not rocket science, Einstein!
Go home, you're out of your league.

Hey I wouldn't criticize your extensive expertise on what the best price to get for a pair of socks. That's your area.
Me... I'm an expert on health care finance to the point that over 7,000 times a day health care providers come to my business to see if they will
get paid on their claims. So I know health care finance.
And since you are an expert in buying socks I won't demean your expertise.
For example I don't think you are aware of it but every state in the union REQUIRES a health insurance company to make a profit which is used to build reserves to pay future claims. If they can't build reserves they can't be registered.
That's one little reality I don't think you ever considered and the ramifications when then you consider the "medical liability ratio" which again not
being an expert as I am compared to your expertise in buying socks, I don't expect you to have any idea what that means!
Suffice to say if you don't have a 80% or better ratio you are in trouble with the government...thanks to Obamacare!

I was never a buyer for socks. I bought upscale men's casual wear.
After I got my MBA, I went to work for a healthcare software company and was the director for EDI (claims and remittances), our largest client was world famous clinic based in Ohio (because of confidentiality, I am not allowed to name that client, but I'm sure you know who I am referring to.) And yes, they got the best price available due to their volume. Like all our clients, their cost was based on volume.
I was also aware of laws requiring financial reserves for future claims.
After that I was hired by national healthcare provider, where I oversee strategic planning. I am quite competent in healthcare finances.

I don't have confidentiality with Cleveland clinic!
So being Director for EDI then you are very familiar with what 270/271s, 837/835s, 276/277CAs,997s,etc. are.
If then you are quite competent in health care finances then you are very aware the effort to create a single payer system in a country with 322 million diverse
ethnic, economically population is not achievable. What you should be aware of is the affect of trying to centralize a payment system across 50 states, with
different types of economic and lifestyles will not work.
Being conversant then with finances you of ALL people should be aware of several health care economic drivers...
1) EMTALA
2) Defensive Medicine--- over $500 billion a year in waste
3) The fallacy of "46 million uninsured Americans". Never were!
And if you want more details with LINKS regarding the above, I'm happy to oblige!

All of which has caused this mess we have now!
And with all that above knowledge you make for someone with your knowledge this statement:
"Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has. Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country."
And then you insult me?
With your knowledge you shouldn't really demean yourself with that type of statement KNOWING as you know that it is NOT true about access...again EMTALA???

You are all over the place, stick to the topic.
Being as you have absolutely no problem with the cost of healthcare.
I just suggest you read this from the Rand Corporation and get a clue.
The bottom-line of this piece is that soaring healthcare costs is not only a threat to the typical American family, but also a threat to the US consumer driven economy. That's a fact Bucko. You'd be hard pressed to find any economist who would disagree with these facts.
How Does Growth in Health Care Costs Affect the American Family?
How Does Growth in Health Care Costs Affect the American Family? | RAND

All over the place?
1) You have no idea what EMTALA is do you?
2) You don't believe the experts who have from 3 different sources that I linked in previous posts cost over $500 billion in WASTED duplicate health services!
3) You believed Obama's crap about 46 million uninsured Americans didn't you?

As a result YOU are 180° off when you make the statement about me "Being as you have absolutely no problem with the cost of healthcare."
As I expected you had NO idea what a 270 or 271 is, much less the 837/835, 276/277CA EDI transaction sets mean.
With both those observations I really dispute your "expertise" and if some idiot company hired you to "oversee strategic planning" CAQH should be
part of your vocabulary. Someone working with Cleveland Clinic, a $6.45 billion in revenues and 4.6% operating margin should know also that Cleveland
Clinic like the other 6,000+ hospitals absorb nearly $50 billion a year DUE primarily to EMTALA even though 16.4% of Cleveland Clinic's revenue come from Medicare!
Contrary to your erroneous assumption about being all over the place, these are specific issues that have directly contributed to the nearly 30% of wasteful healthcare expenses.

 

[PredFan]

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

Yeah, I have worked in medicine for 43 years. I have seen the rich from other countries come here for their care, I have seen ground breaking medical procedures and therapies developed here first, and that study you cited has been widely discredited.

US medical care: Designed BY the rich FOR the rich. All you poor, unfortunate middle class people just get to subsidize it.

Garbage.

 

[PredFan]

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

Yeah, I have worked in medicine for 43 years. I have seen the rich from other countries come here for their care, I have seen ground breaking medical procedures and therapies developed here first, and that study you cited has been widely discredited.

The wealthy travel to Europe and Asia for their care. They go to where they will get the best treatment for their specific health issue. The US is tops for specific types of cancer, other countries lead the way in treatment for other issues.
I linked two studies, can you supply the link/links to the information discrediting one or both studies? Thank you.

You supplied nothing of the sort. I have personally seen and still see the wealthy from other countries come here, in the two hospitals that I work in, and have worked in for 34 years.

Their reasons, if we even ask anymore, are waiting lists and successful outcomes. The price is higher here but they are willing to pay it for the care they get.

 

[PredFan]

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

Well you seemed to ignore one of the issues PredFan pointed out..."FDA costs of drugs"...
What about this shows the US creates over twice as many drugs as the other 5 countries.

1) Average cost to develop ONE DRUG (including failures!!!) $2.6 BILLION! Per drug... and takes 10 years!
http://www.phrma.org/sites/default/files/pdf/2015_phrma_profile.pdf
2) Which Countries Excel in Creating New Drugs? It’s Complicated | Xconomy

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And all these drugs are sold worldwide, yet in the US, we pay 2-5 times more. So we get raped and the rest of the world slides by with dramatic lower pricing. How does that dictate our quality of healthcare?
What's your point?

It doesn't dictate the quality of care, but that was what the OP and others have been trying to do. Many confuse the cost of insurance and drugs with the quality of care, and when I make the claim that we have the best in the world, they always bring up cost.

 

[PredFan]

The US healthcare system is the best in the entire world. It is only government regulation that drives the prices up. For instance, the FDA increases the cost of drugs and research by a great deal. Foreign countries do not have to deal with that.

Do you have anything to back your claim up that the US has the best healthcare in the world other than some talking point?
I have seen studies that don't back up your claim.
Forbes Welcome
These Are The 36 Countries That Have Better Healthcare Systems Than The US

That is a WHO ranking system that weighs access very heavily.

That study is worthless if you are talking about the technical capability of our health care system.

It has been debunked since it was published.

 

[PredFan]

YUP! And you are comparing
Right and idiots like you can't seem to understand that the above countries combined HAVE 30 million fewer people then the USA!
Those 10 countries have 291.2 million vs USA 322 million! Geez and you expect we should have the same costs???
I love it when people like you take and don't look just a little deeper!

Ha!
The way business plays out is the bigger the purchasing power, the better the price.
I was a buyer for a chain of men's clothing stores. The bigger we got the more purchasing power we had and the better prices we got from our vendors.
It's not rocket science, Einstein!
Go home, you're out of your league.

Hey I wouldn't criticize your extensive expertise on what the best price to get for a pair of socks. That's your area.
Me... I'm an expert on health care finance to the point that over 7,000 times a day health care providers come to my business to see if they will
get paid on their claims. So I know health care finance.
And since you are an expert in buying socks I won't demean your expertise.
For example I don't think you are aware of it but every state in the union REQUIRES a health insurance company to make a profit which is used to build reserves to pay future claims. If they can't build reserves they can't be registered.
That's one little reality I don't think you ever considered and the ramifications when then you consider the "medical liability ratio" which again not
being an expert as I am compared to your expertise in buying socks, I don't expect you to have any idea what that means!
Suffice to say if you don't have a 80% or better ratio you are in trouble with the government...thanks to Obamacare!

I was never a buyer for socks. I bought upscale men's casual wear.
After I got my MBA, I went to work for a healthcare software company and was the director for EDI (claims and remittances), our largest client was world famous clinic based in Ohio (because of confidentiality, I am not allowed to name that client, but I'm sure you know who I am referring to.) And yes, they got the best price available due to their volume. Like all our clients, their cost was based on volume.
I was also aware of laws requiring financial reserves for future claims.
After that I was hired by national healthcare provider, where I oversee strategic planning. I am quite competent in healthcare finances.

I don't have confidentiality with Cleveland clinic!
So being Director for EDI then you are very familiar with what 270/271s, 837/835s, 276/277CAs,997s,etc. are.
If then you are quite competent in health care finances then you are very aware the effort to create a single payer system in a country with 322 million diverse
ethnic, economically population is not achievable. What you should be aware of is the affect of trying to centralize a payment system across 50 states, with
different types of economic and lifestyles will not work.
Being conversant then with finances you of ALL people should be aware of several health care economic drivers...
1) EMTALA
2) Defensive Medicine--- over $500 billion a year in waste
3) The fallacy of "46 million uninsured Americans". Never were!
And if you want more details with LINKS regarding the above, I'm happy to oblige!

All of which has caused this mess we have now!
And with all that above knowledge you make for someone with your knowledge this statement:
"Regarding access, access isn't supposed to count? We are the richest country on Earth and our citizens don't have the access the rest of the world has, who just happen not to have the wealth the US has. Makes a lot of sense and particularly because we are a supposedly Christian country."
And then you insult me?
With your knowledge you shouldn't really demean yourself with that type of statement KNOWING as you know that it is NOT true about access...again EMTALA???

You are all over the place, stick to the topic.
Being as you have absolutely no problem with the cost of healthcare.
I just suggest you read this from the Rand Corporation and get a clue.
The bottom-line of this piece is that soaring healthcare costs is not only a threat to the typical American family, but also a threat to the US consumer driven economy. That's a fact Bucko. You'd be hard pressed to find any economist who would disagree with these facts.
How Does Growth in Health Care Costs Affect the American Family?
How Does Growth in Health Care Costs Affect the American Family? | RAND

You were the one asking how healthcare costs effect quality of care but you can't stop talking about costs.