Why do people put up with the US healthcare system?

[healthmyths]

If I recall correctly it has to do with insurance companies knowing that they can demand outrageous sums.

There is no mechanism to keep costs down when your insurance is footing 80% of the bill and you only have a $20 copay.

AGAIN you are right when the insurance companies just go ahead and pay bills like the below and simply increase the premiums...

90% of physicians say they order duplicate tests,specialists referrals..at a cost of over $850 billion a year!

http://www.jacksonhealthcare.com/media/8968/defensivemedicine_ebook_final.pdf
90% of physicians surveyed say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
--- Emergency medicine, primary care, and OB/GYN physicians are most likely to practice defensive medicine.
--- 79 to 83% of surgeons and OB/GYNs have been named in lawsuits.
"Physicians contracted by the federal government practice significantly less defensive medicine as they are protected against lawsuits by the 1946 Federal Tort Claims Act. "
-- BUT........Only 48% practice defensive medicine compared to 92% of non-government physicians.
Consider that fact that of the physicians interviewed, 52% DID NOT practice defensive medicine!
Who were the doctors that didn't practice "defensive medicine"?
Doctors contracted by federal government!
WHY did these doctors NOT practice "defensive medicine"??? 1946 Federal Tort reform Act!
The insurance companies don't care to argue these claims.
They pay the $850 billion. Simply raising premiums.
So how come Obamacare taxed tanning salons 10% because tanning causes tanning,
but they wouldn't tax lawyers' $270 Billion income.
If educated physicians are telling you they fear lawsuits and order duplicate tests, etc. why wasn't there any effort to reduce the $850 billion spent in duplicate testing,etc. possible?
The reason though lawyers were protected though is almost half of Congress and of course Obama are lawyers!
A simple reduction of the $850 billion a year in defensive medicine claims would have reduced the Aetna's claims cost and again THEY don't care because they simply raise their premiums!
So when Aetna wants to get out of Obamacare it's because they can't make that evil profit...which many of you ignorant dummies hold against Aetna and any other for profit organization...but you are so dumb!
It is out of these profits "RESERVES" are created. Without the "RESERVES" states' insurance regulators won't let insurance companies sell insurance. If the Aetnas' don't make profits ...no reserves... no state allows them to sell! It is that ...f....king SIMPLE but you idiots that are against "PROFITS" listen!
That's the ONLY way insurance companies can stay in the health insurance business.
So have Civilian TORT reform. Reduce the fear of Lawsuits! This WILL LOWER THE $850 BILLION A YEAR OF WASTED DUPLICATE TESTS,ETC.!!!

 

[JoeNormal]

How a bite from a stray dog shows the sick state of U.S. healthcare

"The first shot at Royal Angkor International Hospital cost $125." (Cambodia)

"Jan received her second Verorab shot at a clinic in northern Thailand. The bill this time: A mere $18.50"

"Things changed dramatically once the Kerns returned to this country. For her third shot, Jan visited Torrance Memorial Medical Center. It was a Sunday, and she had to go to the emergency room, so that added considerably to her cost. The tab for a single injection: $5,254.85."


"“It’s obvious that our system is unlike any other health system,” said Uwe Reinhardt, a healthcare economist at Princeton University. “Other systems were set up to care for patients. Ours was set up by the providers — the hospitals and drug companies — for their own benefit.”"

Most countries in the world have healthcare to treat patients, the US has healthcare to make healthcare providers money.

So much money gets wasted in corruption, it's something like 3% of US GDP at the very least.

because in spite of obozocare, its the best in the world. the dems and libs are trying to bring it down to 3rd world status, and they may succeed. But today it is the best in the world.

and BTW, no one in the USA was denied medical care before obozocare. NO ONE. ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist.

Bullshit. I had a pre-existing condition (misdiagnosed bulging disc) when I owned my own company and I wasn't even able to get insurance. It wasn't just an opt-out on back related issues, it was any kind of coverage.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The federal government is responsible for the massive rise in health care costs. If you want to fix the system then you need you kick the government out, not give them more seats at the table.

Is there a single country that has done that? or is that just your theoretical fantasy, and in reality America is just the last country to develop a basic social program like public healthcare?

We had no problems with our health care system until the government began interfering in it. And if you think countries with government run health care don't have issues you have your head up your ass. The NHS in Britain is horrible.

thats ridiculous America has the worst healthcare system of the top 30 developed countries. When did the government begin "interfering" by your definition anyway?

So tell me genius,why is it that people come from around the world to get treatment in the U.S.?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

If I recall correctly it has to do with insurance companies knowing that they can demand outrageous sums.

There is no mechanism to keep costs down when your insurance is footing 80% of the bill and you only have a $20 copay.

EXACTLY. Everybody wants to pay nothing, then complain when it costs an arm and a leg. Somebody pays.. we have nothing invested in our own healthcare, we've outsourced it to insurance companies.

 

[Redfish]

How a bite from a stray dog shows the sick state of U.S. healthcare

"The first shot at Royal Angkor International Hospital cost $125." (Cambodia)

"Jan received her second Verorab shot at a clinic in northern Thailand. The bill this time: A mere $18.50"

"Things changed dramatically once the Kerns returned to this country. For her third shot, Jan visited Torrance Memorial Medical Center. It was a Sunday, and she had to go to the emergency room, so that added considerably to her cost. The tab for a single injection: $5,254.85."


"“It’s obvious that our system is unlike any other health system,” said Uwe Reinhardt, a healthcare economist at Princeton University. “Other systems were set up to care for patients. Ours was set up by the providers — the hospitals and drug companies — for their own benefit.”"

Most countries in the world have healthcare to treat patients, the US has healthcare to make healthcare providers money.

So much money gets wasted in corruption, it's something like 3% of US GDP at the very least.

because in spite of obozocare, its the best in the world. the dems and libs are trying to bring it down to 3rd world status, and they may succeed. But today it is the best in the world.

and BTW, no one in the USA was denied medical care before obozocare. NO ONE. ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist.

Bullshit. I had a pre-existing condition (misdiagnosed bulging disc) when I owned my own company and I wasn't even able to get insurance. It wasn't just an opt-out on back related issues, it was any kind of coverage.

were you turned away from a hospital or ER? Did any doctor refuse to treat you?

not being insured did not equal not being treated----------and you fricken well know it.

 

[Redfish]

If I recall correctly it has to do with insurance companies knowing that they can demand outrageous sums.

There is no mechanism to keep costs down when your insurance is footing 80% of the bill and you only have a $20 copay.

EXACTLY. Everybody wants to pay nothing, then complain when it costs an arm and a leg. Somebody pays.. we have nothing invested in our own healthcare, we've outsourced it to insurance companies.

its a game. the hospital gives you a bill for $80K, the insurance company pays them $15K and everyone is happy. then the hospital writes off $65K as uncollectable accounts.

 

[JoeNormal]

How a bite from a stray dog shows the sick state of U.S. healthcare

"The first shot at Royal Angkor International Hospital cost $125." (Cambodia)

"Jan received her second Verorab shot at a clinic in northern Thailand. The bill this time: A mere $18.50"

"Things changed dramatically once the Kerns returned to this country. For her third shot, Jan visited Torrance Memorial Medical Center. It was a Sunday, and she had to go to the emergency room, so that added considerably to her cost. The tab for a single injection: $5,254.85."


"“It’s obvious that our system is unlike any other health system,” said Uwe Reinhardt, a healthcare economist at Princeton University. “Other systems were set up to care for patients. Ours was set up by the providers — the hospitals and drug companies — for their own benefit.”"

Most countries in the world have healthcare to treat patients, the US has healthcare to make healthcare providers money.

So much money gets wasted in corruption, it's something like 3% of US GDP at the very least.

because in spite of obozocare, its the best in the world. the dems and libs are trying to bring it down to 3rd world status, and they may succeed. But today it is the best in the world.

and BTW, no one in the USA was denied medical care before obozocare. NO ONE. ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist.

Bullshit. I had a pre-existing condition (misdiagnosed bulging disc) when I owned my own company and I wasn't even able to get insurance. It wasn't just an opt-out on back related issues, it was any kind of coverage.

were you turned away from a hospital or ER? Did any doctor refuse to treat you?

not being insured did not equal not being treated----------and you fricken well know it.

I was lucky enough not to have had any major issues when I was uninsured. It would have bankrupted me if I had. You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What do you think would happen to the price of groceries if you placed an intermediary into the process?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

How a bite from a stray dog shows the sick state of U.S. healthcare

"The first shot at Royal Angkor International Hospital cost $125." (Cambodia)

"Jan received her second Verorab shot at a clinic in northern Thailand. The bill this time: A mere $18.50"

"Things changed dramatically once the Kerns returned to this country. For her third shot, Jan visited Torrance Memorial Medical Center. It was a Sunday, and she had to go to the emergency room, so that added considerably to her cost. The tab for a single injection: $5,254.85."


"“It’s obvious that our system is unlike any other health system,” said Uwe Reinhardt, a healthcare economist at Princeton University. “Other systems were set up to care for patients. Ours was set up by the providers — the hospitals and drug companies — for their own benefit.”"

Most countries in the world have healthcare to treat patients, the US has healthcare to make healthcare providers money.

So much money gets wasted in corruption, it's something like 3% of US GDP at the very least.

because in spite of obozocare, its the best in the world. the dems and libs are trying to bring it down to 3rd world status, and they may succeed. But today it is the best in the world.

and BTW, no one in the USA was denied medical care before obozocare. NO ONE. ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist.

Bullshit. I had a pre-existing condition (misdiagnosed bulging disc) when I owned my own company and I wasn't even able to get insurance. It wasn't just an opt-out on back related issues, it was any kind of coverage.

were you turned away from a hospital or ER? Did any doctor refuse to treat you?

not being insured did not equal not being treated----------and you fricken well know it.

I was lucky enough not to have had any major issues when I was uninsured. It would have bankrupted me if I had. You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears.

You missed the point.... you would have been treated.

 

[Redfish]

How a bite from a stray dog shows the sick state of U.S. healthcare

"The first shot at Royal Angkor International Hospital cost $125." (Cambodia)

"Jan received her second Verorab shot at a clinic in northern Thailand. The bill this time: A mere $18.50"

"Things changed dramatically once the Kerns returned to this country. For her third shot, Jan visited Torrance Memorial Medical Center. It was a Sunday, and she had to go to the emergency room, so that added considerably to her cost. The tab for a single injection: $5,254.85."


"“It’s obvious that our system is unlike any other health system,” said Uwe Reinhardt, a healthcare economist at Princeton University. “Other systems were set up to care for patients. Ours was set up by the providers — the hospitals and drug companies — for their own benefit.”"

Most countries in the world have healthcare to treat patients, the US has healthcare to make healthcare providers money.

So much money gets wasted in corruption, it's something like 3% of US GDP at the very least.

because in spite of obozocare, its the best in the world. the dems and libs are trying to bring it down to 3rd world status, and they may succeed. But today it is the best in the world.

and BTW, no one in the USA was denied medical care before obozocare. NO ONE. ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist.

Bullshit. I had a pre-existing condition (misdiagnosed bulging disc) when I owned my own company and I wasn't even able to get insurance. It wasn't just an opt-out on back related issues, it was any kind of coverage.

were you turned away from a hospital or ER? Did any doctor refuse to treat you?

not being insured did not equal not being treated----------and you fricken well know it.

I was lucky enough not to have had any major issues when I was uninsured. It would have bankrupted me if I had. You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears.

more bullshit. no one goes bankrupt SOLELY because of medical bills.

so your earlier claim that americans were refused care before ACA is a lie. thanks for admitting that.

 

[JoeNormal]

How a bite from a stray dog shows the sick state of U.S. healthcare

"The first shot at Royal Angkor International Hospital cost $125." (Cambodia)

"Jan received her second Verorab shot at a clinic in northern Thailand. The bill this time: A mere $18.50"

"Things changed dramatically once the Kerns returned to this country. For her third shot, Jan visited Torrance Memorial Medical Center. It was a Sunday, and she had to go to the emergency room, so that added considerably to her cost. The tab for a single injection: $5,254.85."


"“It’s obvious that our system is unlike any other health system,” said Uwe Reinhardt, a healthcare economist at Princeton University. “Other systems were set up to care for patients. Ours was set up by the providers — the hospitals and drug companies — for their own benefit.”"

Most countries in the world have healthcare to treat patients, the US has healthcare to make healthcare providers money.

So much money gets wasted in corruption, it's something like 3% of US GDP at the very least.

because in spite of obozocare, its the best in the world. the dems and libs are trying to bring it down to 3rd world status, and they may succeed. But today it is the best in the world.

and BTW, no one in the USA was denied medical care before obozocare. NO ONE. ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist.

Bullshit. I had a pre-existing condition (misdiagnosed bulging disc) when I owned my own company and I wasn't even able to get insurance. It wasn't just an opt-out on back related issues, it was any kind of coverage.

were you turned away from a hospital or ER? Did any doctor refuse to treat you?

not being insured did not equal not being treated----------and you fricken well know it.

I was lucky enough not to have had any major issues when I was uninsured. It would have bankrupted me if I had. You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears.

You missed the point.... you would have been treated.

Seriously? That's your solution? What if I'd have had cancer or needed a heart bypass? They cover that in the ER?

 

[JoeNormal]

How a bite from a stray dog shows the sick state of U.S. healthcare

"The first shot at Royal Angkor International Hospital cost $125." (Cambodia)

"Jan received her second Verorab shot at a clinic in northern Thailand. The bill this time: A mere $18.50"

"Things changed dramatically once the Kerns returned to this country. For her third shot, Jan visited Torrance Memorial Medical Center. It was a Sunday, and she had to go to the emergency room, so that added considerably to her cost. The tab for a single injection: $5,254.85."


"“It’s obvious that our system is unlike any other health system,” said Uwe Reinhardt, a healthcare economist at Princeton University. “Other systems were set up to care for patients. Ours was set up by the providers — the hospitals and drug companies — for their own benefit.”"

Most countries in the world have healthcare to treat patients, the US has healthcare to make healthcare providers money.

So much money gets wasted in corruption, it's something like 3% of US GDP at the very least.

because in spite of obozocare, its the best in the world. the dems and libs are trying to bring it down to 3rd world status, and they may succeed. But today it is the best in the world.

and BTW, no one in the USA was denied medical care before obozocare. NO ONE. ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist.

Bullshit. I had a pre-existing condition (misdiagnosed bulging disc) when I owned my own company and I wasn't even able to get insurance. It wasn't just an opt-out on back related issues, it was any kind of coverage.

were you turned away from a hospital or ER? Did any doctor refuse to treat you?

not being insured did not equal not being treated----------and you fricken well know it.

I was lucky enough not to have had any major issues when I was uninsured. It would have bankrupted me if I had. You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears.

more bullshit. no one goes bankrupt SOLELY because of medical bills.

so your earlier claim that americans were refused care before ACA is a lie. thanks for admitting that.

It happens way too often jackass. How far do you think your modest self worth would go toward massive medical bills?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

because in spite of obozocare, its the best in the world. the dems and libs are trying to bring it down to 3rd world status, and they may succeed. But today it is the best in the world.

and BTW, no one in the USA was denied medical care before obozocare. NO ONE. ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist.

Bullshit. I had a pre-existing condition (misdiagnosed bulging disc) when I owned my own company and I wasn't even able to get insurance. It wasn't just an opt-out on back related issues, it was any kind of coverage.

were you turned away from a hospital or ER? Did any doctor refuse to treat you?

not being insured did not equal not being treated----------and you fricken well know it.

I was lucky enough not to have had any major issues when I was uninsured. It would have bankrupted me if I had. You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears.

You missed the point.... you would have been treated.

Seriously? That's your solution? What if I'd have had cancer or needed a heart bypass? They cover that in the ER?

What is your point?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

because in spite of obozocare, its the best in the world. the dems and libs are trying to bring it down to 3rd world status, and they may succeed. But today it is the best in the world.

and BTW, no one in the USA was denied medical care before obozocare. NO ONE. ACA was a fix for a problem that did not exist.

Bullshit. I had a pre-existing condition (misdiagnosed bulging disc) when I owned my own company and I wasn't even able to get insurance. It wasn't just an opt-out on back related issues, it was any kind of coverage.

were you turned away from a hospital or ER? Did any doctor refuse to treat you?

not being insured did not equal not being treated----------and you fricken well know it.

I was lucky enough not to have had any major issues when I was uninsured. It would have bankrupted me if I had. You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears.

more bullshit. no one goes bankrupt SOLELY because of medical bills.

so your earlier claim that americans were refused care before ACA is a lie. thanks for admitting that.

It happens way too often jackass. How far do you think your modest self worth would go toward massive medical bills?

Soooo... what happens when you can't pay for something?

 

[g5000]

If insurance was to blame, then we would have skyrocketing auto, life, and home insurance.

Since we don't have skyrocketing auto, life, and home insurance, then something else is causing skyrocketing HEALTH insurance.

The reason health insurance is skyrocketing is because we don't buy it the same way we buy auto, life, and home insurance. We should be, if we want to get it under control.


We need to eliminate employer-sponsored health insurance (ESHI). ESHI drives up the cost of healthcare, and EVERYONE knows it. So why does ObamaCare more deeply embed ESHI?

Things that make you go, "Hmmmm..."

The reason ESHI was more deeply embedded in Obamacare is because it is a labor union boondoggle.

We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy our auto, life, and home insurance. This provides us MAXIMUM leverage.

Instead, you are a total hostage to your employer's insurance. It's a take-it-or-leave-it proposition where you have ZERO leverage.

In turn, your employer is hostage to the insurance company. Small employers have almost no bargaining leverage at all with insurance companies, especially since the government limits the number of insurance companies your employer can buy from.

If you work at a small company, you are in a tiny risk pool. If one employee in your company suffers a catastrophic illness, everyone in the company suffers massive increases in premiums. That's just plain insane and would not happen if you bought your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, life, and home insurance.

In turn, the insurance company is hostage to the medical care providers in your geographical area.


So how come you can buy your auto insurance from ANY auto insurance company in America, thereby providing you with maximum bargaining power, and yet you can't buy health insurance from any health insurance company in America?

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm..."


Here's the difference: The US government is the biggest market player in the health insurance market. You don't see that in the auto, life, or home insurance markets, now do you?

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm..."

But wait. It's even worse than that. Not only is the US government the biggest player in the health insurance market, IT GETS TO WRITE THE RULES ALL THE OTHER PLAYERS HAVE TO PLAY BY!

What...the...FUCK?!?!?

How's that working out for you?

Imagine if you were a car maker, and you got to write the rules for your competitors.

Yeah. What would happen to the price and quality of cars? After all, you could be as slapdash and sloppy as you like since you have your competitors hog-tied.


We need LESS government in the market, not more! Jesus, every time the government gets more involved, things get worse. But then the fucking retards think it is because we need MOAR government!

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

All this shit started with the HMO's....

 

[JoeNormal]

Bullshit. I had a pre-existing condition (misdiagnosed bulging disc) when I owned my own company and I wasn't even able to get insurance. It wasn't just an opt-out on back related issues, it was any kind of coverage.

were you turned away from a hospital or ER? Did any doctor refuse to treat you?

not being insured did not equal not being treated----------and you fricken well know it.

I was lucky enough not to have had any major issues when I was uninsured. It would have bankrupted me if I had. You're so full of shit it's coming out of your ears.

more bullshit. no one goes bankrupt SOLELY because of medical bills.

so your earlier claim that americans were refused care before ACA is a lie. thanks for admitting that.

It happens way too often jackass. How far do you think your modest self worth would go toward massive medical bills?

Soooo... what happens when you can't pay for something?

In the case of medical coverage, either die or go bankrupt.

 

[JoeNormal]

If insurance was to blame, then we would have skyrocketing auto, life, and home insurance.

Since we don't have skyrocketing auto, life, and home insurance, then something else is causing skyrocketing HEALTH insurance.

The reason health insurance is skyrocketing is because we don't buy it the same way we buy auto, life, and home insurance. We should be, if we want to get it under control.


We need to eliminate employer-sponsored health insurance (ESHI). ESHI drives up the cost of healthcare, and EVERYONE knows it. So why does ObamaCare more deeply embed ESHI?

Things that make you go, "Hmmmm..."

The reason ESHI was more deeply embedded in Obamacare is because it is a labor union boondoggle.

We should be buying our health insurance the same way we buy our auto, life, and home insurance. This provides us MAXIMUM leverage.

Instead, you are a total hostage to your employer's insurance. It's a take-it-or-leave-it proposition where you have ZERO leverage.

In turn, your employer is hostage to the insurance company. Small employers have almost no bargaining leverage at all with insurance companies, especially since the government limits the number of insurance companies your employer can buy from.

If you work at a small company, you are in a tiny risk pool. If one employee in your company suffers a catastrophic illness, everyone in the company suffers massive increases in premiums. That's just plain insane and would not happen if you bought your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, life, and home insurance.

In turn, the insurance company is hostage to the medical care providers in your geographical area.


So how come you can buy your auto insurance from ANY auto insurance company in America, thereby providing you with maximum bargaining power, and yet you can't buy health insurance from any health insurance company in America?

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm..."


Here's the difference: The US government is the biggest market player in the health insurance market. You don't see that in the auto, life, or home insurance markets, now do you?

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm..."

But wait. It's even worse than that. Not only is the US government the biggest player in the health insurance market, IT GETS TO WRITE THE RULES ALL THE OTHER PLAYERS HAVE TO PLAY BY!

What...the...FUCK?!?!?

How's that working out for you?

Imagine if you were a car maker, and you got to write the rules for your competitors.

Yeah. What would happen to the price and quality of cars? After all, you could be as slapdash and sloppy as you like since you have your competitors hog-tied.


We need LESS government in the market, not more! Jesus, every time the government gets more involved, things get worse. But then the fucking retards think it is because we need MOAR government!

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

Employee covered health insurance has become something that keeps the slaves in their place. Better not jump ship if there's no coverage where you're going.

 

[g5000]

All this shit started with the HMO's....

I don't know about "started", but HMO's definitely accelerated the problem.

 

[yiostheoy]

How a bite from a stray dog shows the sick state of U.S. healthcare

"The first shot at Royal Angkor International Hospital cost $125." (Cambodia)

"Jan received her second Verorab shot at a clinic in northern Thailand. The bill this time: A mere $18.50"

"Things changed dramatically once the Kerns returned to this country. For her third shot, Jan visited Torrance Memorial Medical Center. It was a Sunday, and she had to go to the emergency room, so that added considerably to her cost. The tab for a single injection: $5,254.85."


"“It’s obvious that our system is unlike any other health system,” said Uwe Reinhardt, a healthcare economist at Princeton University. “Other systems were set up to care for patients. Ours was set up by the providers — the hospitals and drug companies — for their own benefit.”"

Most countries in the world have healthcare to treat patients, the US has healthcare to make healthcare providers money.

So much money gets wasted in corruption, it's something like 3% of US GDP at the very least.

No choice.

The AMA has the USA by the balls.

It is more powerful than the NRA.