Why Do Palestinians Lie About Wanting Peace? And Two States?

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, Hollie, montelatici, et al,

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community at any. Some are long standing and some are relatively new. Some have splintered and some have mutated into something else. One of the characteristic of Terrorist, Jihadist, Insurgents, and other hostile asymmetric warfare elements and activities is that they cannot long survive in a vacuum, divorced from local intelligence, material, and concealment support.

There is no question that the Arab Palestinians have provided all three types of support to the same HoAP groups that were involved in:

• HAMAS had fired more than 450 rockets, from Gaza, at Israel between January and mid June 2014; with a significant increase starting on 15 June 2014. Launching (according to UN data), more than 4,800 rockets and 1,700 mortars were fired from Gaza towards Israel between 8 July and 26 August 2014. Around 224 projectiles are believed to have struck Israeli residential areas.

• In the period leading up to the launch of Operation Protective Edge on 8 July 2014 in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

Dec 24, 2013 - Salah Shukri Abu Latyef, 22, of Rahat was shot and killed by sniper fire in a shooting attack near the Israel-Gaza border fence.

Apr 14, 2014 - Chief Superintendent Baruch Mizrahi, 47, of Modi’in was killed in a terrorist shooting near the village Idhna, northeast of Hebron.

May 1, 2014 - The body of Shelly Dadon, 20, of Afula, was found near the Migdal HaEmek industrial area with multiple stab wounds.

Jun 12, 2014 - Three high school students - Eyal Yifrah, 19, of Elad; Gilad Sha'er, 16, of Talmon; and Naftali Frenkel, 16, of Nof Ayalon - were kidnapped by Hamas terrorists in the area of Gush Etzion, while trying to hitch a ride home. Their bodies were discovered after an extensive search on June 30.
​

Despite the demonstrated terrorist threat, the State of Israel, the HoAP and the numerous specific threats acknowledged by the HoAP (as outlined in Posting #32), they Palestinian people still believe that they should not be held accountable for the actions they take. They believe themselves above the law.

And with Israel's vast military and resources it still cannot defeat the Palestinian civilians. They are still considered an existential threat.

What do you mean " defeat the Pal'istanian civilians"?
Israel is not in any war with 'Pal'istanian civilians. You seem a bit befuddled. I can understand you're going to flame some conspiracy addled response to suggest the Israelis are at war but why bother?

The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war.
Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism.

(COMMENT)

Just as there are many facets to the Arab Palestinians, so there are many different facets to the Israeli Community. The Israeli Government and the Israeli People do not think in terms of "ally 'vs' enemy" ---- "friend or foe." They think in terms of the "potential for danger;" or the "likelihood of an attack." Sometimes, this distinction is interpreted to mean the same thing.

At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have pledged Jihad against Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have fired a rocket barrage at Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "
an HoAP gunman that opened fire on the patrons of a pub on Tel Aviv's Dizengoff Street" and what it means to be the "enemy."


​

“Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded.
Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day.”
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at Khaled Mashal

As a Palestinian today I speak of a Palestinian and Arab demand for a state on 1967 borders.
It is true that in reality there will be an entity or state called Israel on the rest of Palestinian land.
This is a reality, but I won't deal with it in terms of recognising or admitting it.
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1111721
​

Most Respectfully,
R

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community...​

Indeed, there are those defending their country. Then there are those who are...ah...er...hmmm...

It's an odd notion that HoAP's provoking an Israeli retaliation by committing acts of war (launching rockets at population centers) is defending ones country.

Such acts are perfectly consistent with Islamic terrorists promoting the goals of the Hamas Charter.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, Hollie, montelatici, et al,

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community at any. Some are long standing and some are relatively new. Some have splintered and some have mutated into something else. One of the characteristic of Terrorist, Jihadist, Insurgents, and other hostile asymmetric warfare elements and activities is that they cannot long survive in a vacuum, divorced from local intelligence, material, and concealment support.

There is no question that the Arab Palestinians have provided all three types of support to the same HoAP groups that were involved in:

• HAMAS had fired more than 450 rockets, from Gaza, at Israel between January and mid June 2014; with a significant increase starting on 15 June 2014. Launching (according to UN data), more than 4,800 rockets and 1,700 mortars were fired from Gaza towards Israel between 8 July and 26 August 2014. Around 224 projectiles are believed to have struck Israeli residential areas.

• In the period leading up to the launch of Operation Protective Edge on 8 July 2014 in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

Dec 24, 2013 - Salah Shukri Abu Latyef, 22, of Rahat was shot and killed by sniper fire in a shooting attack near the Israel-Gaza border fence.

Apr 14, 2014 - Chief Superintendent Baruch Mizrahi, 47, of Modi’in was killed in a terrorist shooting near the village Idhna, northeast of Hebron.

May 1, 2014 - The body of Shelly Dadon, 20, of Afula, was found near the Migdal HaEmek industrial area with multiple stab wounds.

Jun 12, 2014 - Three high school students - Eyal Yifrah, 19, of Elad; Gilad Sha'er, 16, of Talmon; and Naftali Frenkel, 16, of Nof Ayalon - were kidnapped by Hamas terrorists in the area of Gush Etzion, while trying to hitch a ride home. Their bodies were discovered after an extensive search on June 30.
​

Despite the demonstrated terrorist threat, the State of Israel, the HoAP and the numerous specific threats acknowledged by the HoAP (as outlined in Posting #32), they Palestinian people still believe that they should not be held accountable for the actions they take. They believe themselves above the law.

And with Israel's vast military and resources it still cannot defeat the Palestinian civilians. They are still considered an existential threat.

What do you mean " defeat the Pal'istanian civilians"?
Israel is not in any war with 'Pal'istanian civilians. You seem a bit befuddled. I can understand you're going to flame some conspiracy addled response to suggest the Israelis are at war but why bother?

The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war.
Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism.

(COMMENT)

Just as there are many facets to the Arab Palestinians, so there are many different facets to the Israeli Community. The Israeli Government and the Israeli People do not think in terms of "ally 'vs' enemy" ---- "friend or foe." They think in terms of the "potential for danger;" or the "likelihood of an attack." Sometimes, this distinction is interpreted to mean the same thing.

At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have pledged Jihad against Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have fired a rocket barrage at Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "
an HoAP gunman that opened fire on the patrons of a pub on Tel Aviv's Dizengoff Street" and what it means to be the "enemy."


​

“Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded.
Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day.”
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at Khaled Mashal

As a Palestinian today I speak of a Palestinian and Arab demand for a state on 1967 borders.
It is true that in reality there will be an entity or state called Israel on the rest of Palestinian land.
This is a reality, but I won't deal with it in terms of recognising or admitting it.
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1111721
​

Most Respectfully,
R

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community...​

Indeed, there are those defending their country. Then there are those who are...ah...er...hmmm...

It's an odd notion that HoAP's provoking an Israeli retaliation by committing acts of war (launching rockets at population centers) is defending ones country.

Such acts are perfectly consistent with Islamic terrorists promoting the goals of the Hamas Charter.

Oh no, not more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, Hollie, montelatici, et al,

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community at any. Some are long standing and some are relatively new. Some have splintered and some have mutated into something else. One of the characteristic of Terrorist, Jihadist, Insurgents, and other hostile asymmetric warfare elements and activities is that they cannot long survive in a vacuum, divorced from local intelligence, material, and concealment support.

There is no question that the Arab Palestinians have provided all three types of support to the same HoAP groups that were involved in:

• HAMAS had fired more than 450 rockets, from Gaza, at Israel between January and mid June 2014; with a significant increase starting on 15 June 2014. Launching (according to UN data), more than 4,800 rockets and 1,700 mortars were fired from Gaza towards Israel between 8 July and 26 August 2014. Around 224 projectiles are believed to have struck Israeli residential areas.

• In the period leading up to the launch of Operation Protective Edge on 8 July 2014 in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

Dec 24, 2013 - Salah Shukri Abu Latyef, 22, of Rahat was shot and killed by sniper fire in a shooting attack near the Israel-Gaza border fence.

Apr 14, 2014 - Chief Superintendent Baruch Mizrahi, 47, of Modi’in was killed in a terrorist shooting near the village Idhna, northeast of Hebron.

May 1, 2014 - The body of Shelly Dadon, 20, of Afula, was found near the Migdal HaEmek industrial area with multiple stab wounds.

Jun 12, 2014 - Three high school students - Eyal Yifrah, 19, of Elad; Gilad Sha'er, 16, of Talmon; and Naftali Frenkel, 16, of Nof Ayalon - were kidnapped by Hamas terrorists in the area of Gush Etzion, while trying to hitch a ride home. Their bodies were discovered after an extensive search on June 30.
​

Despite the demonstrated terrorist threat, the State of Israel, the HoAP and the numerous specific threats acknowledged by the HoAP (as outlined in Posting #32), they Palestinian people still believe that they should not be held accountable for the actions they take. They believe themselves above the law.

And with Israel's vast military and resources it still cannot defeat the Palestinian civilians. They are still considered an existential threat.

What do you mean " defeat the Pal'istanian civilians"?
Israel is not in any war with 'Pal'istanian civilians. You seem a bit befuddled. I can understand you're going to flame some conspiracy addled response to suggest the Israelis are at war but why bother?

The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war.
Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism.

(COMMENT)

Just as there are many facets to the Arab Palestinians, so there are many different facets to the Israeli Community. The Israeli Government and the Israeli People do not think in terms of "ally 'vs' enemy" ---- "friend or foe." They think in terms of the "potential for danger;" or the "likelihood of an attack." Sometimes, this distinction is interpreted to mean the same thing.

At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have pledged Jihad against Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have fired a rocket barrage at Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "
an HoAP gunman that opened fire on the patrons of a pub on Tel Aviv's Dizengoff Street" and what it means to be the "enemy."


​

“Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded.
Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day.”
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at Khaled Mashal

As a Palestinian today I speak of a Palestinian and Arab demand for a state on 1967 borders.
It is true that in reality there will be an entity or state called Israel on the rest of Palestinian land.
This is a reality, but I won't deal with it in terms of recognising or admitting it.
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1111721
​

Most Respectfully,
R

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community...​

Indeed, there are those defending their country. Then there are those who are...ah...er...hmmm...

It's an odd notion that HoAP's provoking an Israeli retaliation by committing acts of war (launching rockets at population centers) is defending ones country.

Such acts are perfectly consistent with Islamic terrorists promoting the goals of the Hamas Charter.

Oh no, not more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

It's best you don't attempt to actually address the comments of others.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, Hollie, montelatici, et al,

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community at any. Some are long standing and some are relatively new. Some have splintered and some have mutated into something else. One of the characteristic of Terrorist, Jihadist, Insurgents, and other hostile asymmetric warfare elements and activities is that they cannot long survive in a vacuum, divorced from local intelligence, material, and concealment support.

There is no question that the Arab Palestinians have provided all three types of support to the same HoAP groups that were involved in:

• HAMAS had fired more than 450 rockets, from Gaza, at Israel between January and mid June 2014; with a significant increase starting on 15 June 2014. Launching (according to UN data), more than 4,800 rockets and 1,700 mortars were fired from Gaza towards Israel between 8 July and 26 August 2014. Around 224 projectiles are believed to have struck Israeli residential areas.

• In the period leading up to the launch of Operation Protective Edge on 8 July 2014 in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

Dec 24, 2013 - Salah Shukri Abu Latyef, 22, of Rahat was shot and killed by sniper fire in a shooting attack near the Israel-Gaza border fence.

Apr 14, 2014 - Chief Superintendent Baruch Mizrahi, 47, of Modi’in was killed in a terrorist shooting near the village Idhna, northeast of Hebron.

May 1, 2014 - The body of Shelly Dadon, 20, of Afula, was found near the Migdal HaEmek industrial area with multiple stab wounds.

Jun 12, 2014 - Three high school students - Eyal Yifrah, 19, of Elad; Gilad Sha'er, 16, of Talmon; and Naftali Frenkel, 16, of Nof Ayalon - were kidnapped by Hamas terrorists in the area of Gush Etzion, while trying to hitch a ride home. Their bodies were discovered after an extensive search on June 30.
​

Despite the demonstrated terrorist threat, the State of Israel, the HoAP and the numerous specific threats acknowledged by the HoAP (as outlined in Posting #32), they Palestinian people still believe that they should not be held accountable for the actions they take. They believe themselves above the law.

And with Israel's vast military and resources it still cannot defeat the Palestinian civilians. They are still considered an existential threat.

What do you mean " defeat the Pal'istanian civilians"?
Israel is not in any war with 'Pal'istanian civilians. You seem a bit befuddled. I can understand you're going to flame some conspiracy addled response to suggest the Israelis are at war but why bother?

The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war.
Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism.

(COMMENT)

Just as there are many facets to the Arab Palestinians, so there are many different facets to the Israeli Community. The Israeli Government and the Israeli People do not think in terms of "ally 'vs' enemy" ---- "friend or foe." They think in terms of the "potential for danger;" or the "likelihood of an attack." Sometimes, this distinction is interpreted to mean the same thing.

At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have pledged Jihad against Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have fired a rocket barrage at Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "
an HoAP gunman that opened fire on the patrons of a pub on Tel Aviv's Dizengoff Street" and what it means to be the "enemy."


​

“Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded.
Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day.”
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at Khaled Mashal

As a Palestinian today I speak of a Palestinian and Arab demand for a state on 1967 borders.
It is true that in reality there will be an entity or state called Israel on the rest of Palestinian land.
This is a reality, but I won't deal with it in terms of recognising or admitting it.
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1111721
​

Most Respectfully,
R

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community...​

Indeed, there are those defending their country. Then there are those who are...ah...er...hmmm...

It's an odd notion that HoAP's provoking an Israeli retaliation by committing acts of war (launching rockets at population centers) is defending ones country.

Such acts are perfectly consistent with Islamic terrorists promoting the goals of the Hamas Charter.

Oh no, not more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

It's best you don't attempt to actually address the comments of others.

The Palestinians have the right to resist occupation.

You forget that all of the time.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, Hollie, montelatici, et al,

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community at any. Some are long standing and some are relatively new. Some have splintered and some have mutated into something else. One of the characteristic of Terrorist, Jihadist, Insurgents, and other hostile asymmetric warfare elements and activities is that they cannot long survive in a vacuum, divorced from local intelligence, material, and concealment support.

There is no question that the Arab Palestinians have provided all three types of support to the same HoAP groups that were involved in:

• HAMAS had fired more than 450 rockets, from Gaza, at Israel between January and mid June 2014; with a significant increase starting on 15 June 2014. Launching (according to UN data), more than 4,800 rockets and 1,700 mortars were fired from Gaza towards Israel between 8 July and 26 August 2014. Around 224 projectiles are believed to have struck Israeli residential areas.

• In the period leading up to the launch of Operation Protective Edge on 8 July 2014 in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

Dec 24, 2013 - Salah Shukri Abu Latyef, 22, of Rahat was shot and killed by sniper fire in a shooting attack near the Israel-Gaza border fence.

Apr 14, 2014 - Chief Superintendent Baruch Mizrahi, 47, of Modi’in was killed in a terrorist shooting near the village Idhna, northeast of Hebron.

May 1, 2014 - The body of Shelly Dadon, 20, of Afula, was found near the Migdal HaEmek industrial area with multiple stab wounds.

Jun 12, 2014 - Three high school students - Eyal Yifrah, 19, of Elad; Gilad Sha'er, 16, of Talmon; and Naftali Frenkel, 16, of Nof Ayalon - were kidnapped by Hamas terrorists in the area of Gush Etzion, while trying to hitch a ride home. Their bodies were discovered after an extensive search on June 30.
​

Despite the demonstrated terrorist threat, the State of Israel, the HoAP and the numerous specific threats acknowledged by the HoAP (as outlined in Posting #32), they Palestinian people still believe that they should not be held accountable for the actions they take. They believe themselves above the law.

(COMMENT)

Just as there are many facets to the Arab Palestinians, so there are many different facets to the Israeli Community. The Israeli Government and the Israeli People do not think in terms of "ally 'vs' enemy" ---- "friend or foe." They think in terms of the "potential for danger;" or the "likelihood of an attack." Sometimes, this distinction is interpreted to mean the same thing.

At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have pledged Jihad against Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have fired a rocket barrage at Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "
an HoAP gunman that opened fire on the patrons of a pub on Tel Aviv's Dizengoff Street" and what it means to be the "enemy."


​

“Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded.
Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day.”
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at Khaled Mashal

As a Palestinian today I speak of a Palestinian and Arab demand for a state on 1967 borders.
It is true that in reality there will be an entity or state called Israel on the rest of Palestinian land.
This is a reality, but I won't deal with it in terms of recognising or admitting it.
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1111721
​

Most Respectfully,
R

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community...​

Indeed, there are those defending their country. Then there are those who are...ah...er...hmmm...

It's an odd notion that HoAP's provoking an Israeli retaliation by committing acts of war (launching rockets at population centers) is defending ones country.

Such acts are perfectly consistent with Islamic terrorists promoting the goals of the Hamas Charter.

Oh no, not more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

It's best you don't attempt to actually address the comments of others.

The Palestinians have the right to resist occupation.

You forget that all of the time.

The Arabs-Moslems occupying the disputed territories have a perceived right to acts of Islamic terrorism. They also own the consequences of those acts.

Another generation of Islamo-bots who know nothing but welfare fraud and silly slogans about "resistance". Those at the top of the pyramid scheme called UNRWA who are stashing away millions of infidel welfare dollars for their personal gain owe you a debt of gratitude, but not a dime in hard currency. People like you are the stooges who the primary welfare thieves stand on the necks of to stuff their bank accounts.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I don't think I said that at all.

The Great Goose, et al,

The true nature of this question (So there was just no one in Palestine?) is the implication of the question itself --- and the inferences it draws on the resulting consequence of the answer...

They had it in Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Yemen and Iraq so why did they migrate illegally

So there was just no one in Palestine?

(COMMENT)

Prior to the establishment of the Jewish National Home, there was no "Palestine" except for that territory
within such boundaries were fixed by the Allied Powers (not Arab factions).

The Boundaries of the territory to which the Mandate Applies, affixed by the Allied Powers, had nothing to do with any prior sovereignty --- or --- any future sovereignty. Most of the boundaries in the Middle East were established by powers beyond that of the Arabs.

Migration is not illegal. In the case of the territory to which the Mandate was Applied, at that time it was important to facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and encouraged Jews willing to assist in the
establishment of the Jewish National Home (back then and into the future).

Because there were Arab inhabitants in the regional area at the turn into the 20th Century, does not imply that there was an independent or sovereign nation or some other self-governing institution. At that time they were Sanjuks and Vilyets; with no single Sanjuk or Vilyet conforming to the Paulette-Newcombe or Syke-Picot Agreements.

I am not at all sure that the Arab Palestinians, "just work quietly and want zero conflict." If they really wanted peace, they would have more sovereign territory then just the West Bank and Gaza, already in a peaceful setting. But that is not the case. The Arab Palestinians were not satisfied with their choices, even during the PLO Orchestrated Civil War in Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you trying to say that the important people get the state and the lesser people get the boot?

(COMMENT)

Of course, in a world in which those who have been given the title and rights to a territory have the decision making authority, those with title and rights set the political agenda and the priorities for accomplishment. That is a factor. The definitions (whatever they may be) behind "important people" and "lesser people" has no meaning. Priorities are set based on the impacts and necessities of political and diplomatic value to those with title and rights; and are temporal in nature (changing over time).

Most Respectfully,
R

Here again you are basing your conclusions of false premise. You have heard the saying: "The land does not belong to the people. The people belong to the land." This is the basis of international law. The rules of state succession say that the people become the nationals of the successor state. Following international law, the Treaty of Lausanne says:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Also following international law the Palestinian citizenship order says:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

All peoples (the people of a defined territory) have a standard set of inalienable rights.

• The right to self determination without external interference.
• The right to independence and sovereignty.
• The right to territorial integrity.

These rights have been stated in many UN resolutions including specifically for the Palestinians in Palestine.

Your premise is that power politics supersede or negate international law and inalienable rights.

And as you are constantly asked, and refuse to answer

What was the successor state, who was its leader and where was its capital.

All you say is Palestine which had no ruler or capital. The truth is it was Britain with the King as the ruler and its capital in London was the mandatory ruler until such time as the inhabitants could show free determination and the ability to stand on their own.

So when will the Palestinians choose the wrong free determination again ( preferring to commit war crimes is showing free determination )
That they are independent and not reliant on foreign aid
and they have negotiated mutual borders with all their neighbours.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've heard this before; but I don't think you understand it.

Here again you are basing your conclusions of false premise. You have heard the saying: "The land does not belong to the people. The people belong to the land." This is the basis of international law. The rules of state succession say that the people become the nationals of the successor state. Following international law, the Treaty of Lausanne says:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Also following international law the Palestinian citizenship order says:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

All peoples (the people of a defined territory) have a standard set of inalienable rights.

• The right to self determination without external interference.
• The right to independence and sovereignty.
• The right to territorial integrity.

These rights have been stated in many UN resolutions including specifically for the Palestinians in Palestine.

Your premise is that power politics supersede or negate international law and inalienable rights.

(COMMENT)

In reference to you first Quotation: Derivative of Section II - Nationality - Article 30 - Treaty of Lausanne.

•√• Corrected Quote: "Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

1) Nowhere in the Treaty does it speak directly to a place known as "Palestine."
2) The habitual resident was given Citizenship under the Order in Council and then the Citizenship Order of 1925.
3) There was no State to which to make them nations of... "such territory is transferred." It was yet to be determined. The territory was formerly district and provinces under the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic.
4) Section II is specifically addressing the issue of Nationality and not independence or sovereignty.
​

•√• Reference the comment of "self determination without external interference."

1) The OttomanEmpire/Turkish Republic relinquished all TITLE AND RIGHTS, to the Allied Powers; Including the right to direct the future of these territories being settled --- or --- to be settled by the parties concerned.
2) All people of the territory to which the Mandate Applied have the right to self-determination. That includes the Jewish immigrants that were encouraged to willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
3) The treaty has no being on the right to independence and sovereignty. The establishment of the Mandate over the territory was a vehicle to implement the requirement to reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory.
4) The territorial integrity was at the discretion of the Allied Powers; not determined by the Arab Palestinians.
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•√• Reference the observation: "many UN resolutions including specifically for the Palestinians in Palestine."

1) Yes, while there are many feel-good Resolutions pertaining to the Palestinians, very, very few of them are binding resolutions.
2) There is no law that prohibits the Jewish people from exercising their right of self-determination in the establishment of a Jewish State following the UN approved and adopted Steps Preparatory to Independence."
3) There was no law, Mandate, Order, Agreement, Convention or Treaty that prohibited the establishment in Palestine (the territory under Mandate) of a national home for the Jewish people.
4) The last of the Official Recognitions of the State of Palestine was addressed in A/67/L.28 -- "Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." The territory occupied since 1967 is somewhat different than those demands made by the Hostile Arab Palestinians (see Posting #32). This is the Observer Status that the de facto recognition of a sovereign Palestinian state after Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas called on the world body to issue its long overdue "birth certificate."
​

Remember, the Jewish Immigrants had the same citizenship as the Arab Inhabitants. Thus, the establishment of the Jewish State, as recalled UN General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947 as mentioned in the UN Resolution of November 2012, does not constitute "external influence." However, the introduction of Foreign Troops by the Arab League does.

Most Respectfully,
R​

Nobody has the right or the authority to violate the rights of others.

Yet you constantly advocate violating the rights of the Jews to a NATIONal home, free determination, sovereignty and to defend against acts of war, terrorism and violence. Care to explain why this is ?

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, Hollie, montelatici, et al,

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community at any. Some are long standing and some are relatively new. Some have splintered and some have mutated into something else. One of the characteristic of Terrorist, Jihadist, Insurgents, and other hostile asymmetric warfare elements and activities is that they cannot long survive in a vacuum, divorced from local intelligence, material, and concealment support.

There is no question that the Arab Palestinians have provided all three types of support to the same HoAP groups that were involved in:

• HAMAS had fired more than 450 rockets, from Gaza, at Israel between January and mid June 2014; with a significant increase starting on 15 June 2014. Launching (according to UN data), more than 4,800 rockets and 1,700 mortars were fired from Gaza towards Israel between 8 July and 26 August 2014. Around 224 projectiles are believed to have struck Israeli residential areas.

• In the period leading up to the launch of Operation Protective Edge on 8 July 2014 in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

Dec 24, 2013 - Salah Shukri Abu Latyef, 22, of Rahat was shot and killed by sniper fire in a shooting attack near the Israel-Gaza border fence.

Apr 14, 2014 - Chief Superintendent Baruch Mizrahi, 47, of Modi’in was killed in a terrorist shooting near the village Idhna, northeast of Hebron.

May 1, 2014 - The body of Shelly Dadon, 20, of Afula, was found near the Migdal HaEmek industrial area with multiple stab wounds.

Jun 12, 2014 - Three high school students - Eyal Yifrah, 19, of Elad; Gilad Sha'er, 16, of Talmon; and Naftali Frenkel, 16, of Nof Ayalon - were kidnapped by Hamas terrorists in the area of Gush Etzion, while trying to hitch a ride home. Their bodies were discovered after an extensive search on June 30.
​

Despite the demonstrated terrorist threat, the State of Israel, the HoAP and the numerous specific threats acknowledged by the HoAP (as outlined in Posting #32), they Palestinian people still believe that they should not be held accountable for the actions they take. They believe themselves above the law.

(COMMENT)

Just as there are many facets to the Arab Palestinians, so there are many different facets to the Israeli Community. The Israeli Government and the Israeli People do not think in terms of "ally 'vs' enemy" ---- "friend or foe." They think in terms of the "potential for danger;" or the "likelihood of an attack." Sometimes, this distinction is interpreted to mean the same thing.

At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have pledged Jihad against Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have fired a rocket barrage at Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "
an HoAP gunman that opened fire on the patrons of a pub on Tel Aviv's Dizengoff Street" and what it means to be the "enemy."


​

“Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded.
Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day.”
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at Khaled Mashal

As a Palestinian today I speak of a Palestinian and Arab demand for a state on 1967 borders.
It is true that in reality there will be an entity or state called Israel on the rest of Palestinian land.
This is a reality, but I won't deal with it in terms of recognising or admitting it.
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1111721
​

Most Respectfully,
R

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community...​

Indeed, there are those defending their country. Then there are those who are...ah...er...hmmm...

It's an odd notion that HoAP's provoking an Israeli retaliation by committing acts of war (launching rockets at population centers) is defending ones country.

Such acts are perfectly consistent with Islamic terrorists promoting the goals of the Hamas Charter.

Oh no, not more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

It's best you don't attempt to actually address the comments of others.

The Palestinians have the right to resist occupation.

You forget that all of the time.

Read the previous post and see that the UN admit that under international law the land belongs to the Jews. So the only people occupying it are the arab muslims.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, I've heard this before; but I don't think you understand it.

Here again you are basing your conclusions of false premise. You have heard the saying: "The land does not belong to the people. The people belong to the land." This is the basis of international law. The rules of state succession say that the people become the nationals of the successor state. Following international law, the Treaty of Lausanne says:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

Also following international law the Palestinian citizenship order says:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

All peoples (the people of a defined territory) have a standard set of inalienable rights.

• The right to self determination without external interference.
• The right to independence and sovereignty.
• The right to territorial integrity.

These rights have been stated in many UN resolutions including specifically for the Palestinians in Palestine.

Your premise is that power politics supersede or negate international law and inalienable rights.

(COMMENT)

In reference to you first Quotation: Derivative of Section II - Nationality - Article 30 - Treaty of Lausanne.

•√• Corrected Quote: "Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.

1) Nowhere in the Treaty does it speak directly to a place known as "Palestine."
2) The habitual resident was given Citizenship under the Order in Council and then the Citizenship Order of 1925.
3) There was no State to which to make them nations of... "such territory is transferred." It was yet to be determined. The territory was formerly district and provinces under the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic.
4) Section II is specifically addressing the issue of Nationality and not independence or sovereignty.
​

•√• Reference the comment of "self determination without external interference."

1) The OttomanEmpire/Turkish Republic relinquished all TITLE AND RIGHTS, to the Allied Powers; Including the right to direct the future of these territories being settled --- or --- to be settled by the parties concerned.
2) All people of the territory to which the Mandate Applied have the right to self-determination. That includes the Jewish immigrants that were encouraged to willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
3) The treaty has no being on the right to independence and sovereignty. The establishment of the Mandate over the territory was a vehicle to implement the requirement to reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory.
4) The territorial integrity was at the discretion of the Allied Powers; not determined by the Arab Palestinians.
​

•√• Reference the observation: "many UN resolutions including specifically for the Palestinians in Palestine."

1) Yes, while there are many feel-good Resolutions pertaining to the Palestinians, very, very few of them are binding resolutions.
2) There is no law that prohibits the Jewish people from exercising their right of self-determination in the establishment of a Jewish State following the UN approved and adopted Steps Preparatory to Independence."
3) There was no law, Mandate, Order, Agreement, Convention or Treaty that prohibited the establishment in Palestine (the territory under Mandate) of a national home for the Jewish people.
4) The last of the Official Recognitions of the State of Palestine was addressed in A/67/L.28 -- "Reaffirms the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and to independence in their State of Palestine on the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967." The territory occupied since 1967 is somewhat different than those demands made by the Hostile Arab Palestinians (see Posting #32). This is the Observer Status that the de facto recognition of a sovereign Palestinian state after Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas called on the world body to issue its long overdue "birth certificate."
​

Remember, the Jewish Immigrants had the same citizenship as the Arab Inhabitants. Thus, the establishment of the Jewish State, as recalled UN General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947 as mentioned in the UN Resolution of November 2012, does not constitute "external influence." However, the introduction of Foreign Troops by the Arab League does.

Most Respectfully,
R​

Nobody has the right or the authority to violate the rights of others.

Yet you constantly advocate violating the rights of the Jews to a NATIONal home, free determination, sovereignty and to defend against acts of war, terrorism and violence. Care to explain why this is ?

Israeli talking points.

 

[montelatici]

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community...​

Indeed, there are those defending their country. Then there are those who are...ah...er...hmmm...

It's an odd notion that HoAP's provoking an Israeli retaliation by committing acts of war (launching rockets at population centers) is defending ones country.

Such acts are perfectly consistent with Islamic terrorists promoting the goals of the Hamas Charter.

Oh no, not more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

It's best you don't attempt to actually address the comments of others.

The Palestinians have the right to resist occupation.

You forget that all of the time.

The Arabs-Moslems occupying the disputed territories have a perceived right to acts of Islamic terrorism. They also own the consequences of those acts.

Another generation of Islamo-bots who know nothing but welfare fraud and silly slogans about "resistance". Those at the top of the pyramid scheme called UNRWA who are stashing away millions of infidel welfare dollars for their personal gain owe you a debt of gratitude, but not a dime in hard currency. People like you are the stooges who the primary welfare thieves stand on the necks of to stuff their bank accounts.

This man knows a lot more than a ZioNazi bot.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is because it is simply NOT true. That is not a right.

​

The Palestinians have the right to resist occupation.

You forget that all of the time.

(COMMENT)

The truth is the exact opposite. Protected persons must nevertheless obey legitimate orders issued by the Occupying Power.

INTERNATIONAL LAW SAYS:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY

ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.

The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

The death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.
In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offence.
​

I've noticed that you have asserted this fictitious right quite often.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
COMMENTARY OF 1958
ARTICLE 68 -- PENAL LEGISLATION: V. PENALTIES.
DEATH PENALTY

PARAGRAPH 1. -- PENALTIES INVOLVING LOSS OF LIBERTY

1. ' Offences '

Paragraph 1 deals with offences the consequences of which are not serious for the Occupying Power. Such offences are only punishable by "simple" imprisonment or internment, while those which have serious consequences for the Occupying Power may be punished by penalties of much greater severity, even the death penalty, subject to the conditions laid down in the three following paragraphs.
The minor offences must have been "solely" intended to harm the Occupying Power. The inclusion of the word "solely" excludes acts which harm the Occupying Power indirectly.

2. ' Sanctions '

Internment is a preventive administrative measure and cannot be considered a penal sanction. It is nevertheless mentioned here under the same head as simple imprisonment, because the authors of the Convention wished to make it possible for the military courts of the Occupying Power to give persons guilty of minor offences the benefit of the conditions of internment provided for in Articles 79 et sqq. The provision was a humane one and was intended to draw a distinction between such offenders and common criminals.
As several delegations at the Geneva Conference pointed out, "simple" imprisonment was intended to mean imprisonment "of the least severe kind". It will be seen, incidentally, in the comments on Article 76, that protected persons must always "if possible, be separated from other detainees", that is from common criminals. The application of the paragraph under discussion provides a special opportunity for carrying out this recommendation.
It should be noted that internment and imprisonment are only mentioned as maximum penalties, and less severe penalties still, such as placing under arrest or fines, may be applied in the case of persons accused of minor offences.
​

PARAGRAPH 2. -- DEATH PENALTY

1. ' Offences '

In the Commentary on Article 5, it was noted that the Convention does not define the meaning of "espionage" or "sabotage". It is only "serious" acts of sabotage that are referred to here. This qualification was added by the Diplomatic Conference in view of the tendency of belligerents to interpret "sabotage" in a very broad sense. The destruction of an air base, or of a line of communication of strategic importance, is a serious act of sabotage; on the other hand individual acts such as stoppage of work or refusing to obey orders when carrying out some imposed task cannot be punished by the Occupying Power as acts of sabotage, in spite of the damage they may cause it.
In view of the difficulty of defining, a priori, acts which may be described as serious acts of sabotage, it will be for the courts to make a decision in each individual case, objectively weighing all the circumstances.
The words "intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons" provide a clear indication of the difference between the serious offences under consideration and the offences referred to in paragraph 1, whose characteristic feature is, in fact, that they do not involve anyone's death.

2. ' Reservation in regard to local legislation '

Use of the death penalty, which may only be imposed for three types of offence, espionage, serious sabotage, and intentional homicide, is subject to a condition: namely, that the death penalty was provided for similar cases under the law in force before the occupation began.
It was this clause, introduced by the XVIIth International Red Cross Conference, which caused the greatest conflict of opinion at the Diplomatic Conference in 1949 when the law of occupation was under discussion.
Those who opposed the reservation argued that it would create an inequality of treatment between the populations of different occupied territories, according to whether capital punishment already existed in a territory or not. They claimed that it would in any case be possible for the defeated side to promulgate a law or decree abolishing the death penalty at the last moment before their territory was occupied, thus depriving the Occupying Power of a most effective means of repression at a time when reprisals against individuals and the taking of hostages were forbidden. Those in favour of this most important safeguard, however, reminded the Conference of the crimes perpetrated under the cover of penal jurisdiction in certain occupied countries during the Second World War. They dwelt on the fact that patriotic agitation was ethically correct and that patriots guilty of offences which were punishable by death must not be hastily and irrevocably condemned. In their opinion this reservation in regard to national legislation would represent a
valuable victory for the forces of humanity.
The clause in question was finally adopted after every aspect of the question had been discussed in detail and at great length; but when the Conventions were signed several delegations made express reservations in regard to this point.
The Convention does not indicate the penalties which may be inflicted on persons guilty of serious offences for which the law of the country does not provide for the death penalty; the courts will be completely free to decide the matter, having at their disposal the penalties recognized by the legislation in force (long terms of imprisonment, solitary confinement, penal servitude).
It should be pointed out that the words "law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began" should be taken to mean the positive penal law of that territory as it existed at the time the occupation began, within the meaning of Articles 2 and 6 of the Convention. The expression includes wartime law, both when such provisions enter into force automatically on the outbreak of war and when special legislation has been promulgated by the government of the occupied territory. As is known, military penal codes sometimes contain Articles which are applicable only in wartime, or prescribe penalties of greater severity for certain offences when they are committed in wartime.
​

PARAGRAPH 3. -- SPECIAL CONDITION

This clause may be compared with the provision in Article 67 which lays down that the courts of the occupying authorities are to "take into consideration the fact that the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power". Consideration must, in fact, be given to the particular position in which the protected person finds himself. He is not a national of the Occupying Power, but on the contrary the inhabitant of a country which is suffering as a result of its invasion and occupation by its enemies. The judge should take these extenuating circumstances into account and reduce the penalty accordingly.
The words "duty of allegiance" constitute an acknowledgment of the fundamental principle according to which the occupation does not sever the bond existing between the inhabitants and the conquered State. Protected persons must nevertheless obey legitimate orders issued by the Occupying Power.
This provision is also to be found in Articles 87 and 100 of the Third Convention and in Article 118 of the present Convention.
​

PARAGRAPH 4. -- AGE LIMIT

This clause originated in a proposal made at the XVIIth International Red Cross Conference by the International Union for Child Welfare. It makes eighteen years the absolute age limit below which the death penalty may not be inflicted, even if all the other conditions which make that penalty applicable are present.
The clause corresponds to similar provisions in the penal codes of many countries, and is based on the idea that a person who has not reached the age of eighteen years is not fully capable of sound judgment, does not always realize the significance of his actions and often acts under the influence of others, if not under constraint.
​

It cannot be the case that International Law can punish a Protected Person (the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip) on the one hand, and free them to commit offense ending in harm to the Occupation Power.

I understand that the Palestinian Mantra of Jihad and Resistance sound authentically heroic; but, these things are not legal and are not a right --- in any sense of the word.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

"It cannot be the case that International Law can punish a Protected Person (the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip) on the one hand, and free them to commit offense ending in harm to the Occupation Power."

That was the case with respect to the French Resistance and other partisan groups. Not only that, Germans were found guilty and jailed or executed as a result of the Nuremberg trials for having killed members of partisan groups in reprisals.

 

[Roudy]

P F Tinmore, Hollie, montelatici, et al,

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community at any. Some are long standing and some are relatively new. Some have splintered and some have mutated into something else. One of the characteristic of Terrorist, Jihadist, Insurgents, and other hostile asymmetric warfare elements and activities is that they cannot long survive in a vacuum, divorced from local intelligence, material, and concealment support.

There is no question that the Arab Palestinians have provided all three types of support to the same HoAP groups that were involved in:

• HAMAS had fired more than 450 rockets, from Gaza, at Israel between January and mid June 2014; with a significant increase starting on 15 June 2014. Launching (according to UN data), more than 4,800 rockets and 1,700 mortars were fired from Gaza towards Israel between 8 July and 26 August 2014. Around 224 projectiles are believed to have struck Israeli residential areas.

• In the period leading up to the launch of Operation Protective Edge on 8 July 2014 in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

Dec 24, 2013 - Salah Shukri Abu Latyef, 22, of Rahat was shot and killed by sniper fire in a shooting attack near the Israel-Gaza border fence.

Apr 14, 2014 - Chief Superintendent Baruch Mizrahi, 47, of Modi’in was killed in a terrorist shooting near the village Idhna, northeast of Hebron.

May 1, 2014 - The body of Shelly Dadon, 20, of Afula, was found near the Migdal HaEmek industrial area with multiple stab wounds.

Jun 12, 2014 - Three high school students - Eyal Yifrah, 19, of Elad; Gilad Sha'er, 16, of Talmon; and Naftali Frenkel, 16, of Nof Ayalon - were kidnapped by Hamas terrorists in the area of Gush Etzion, while trying to hitch a ride home. Their bodies were discovered after an extensive search on June 30.
​

Despite the demonstrated terrorist threat, the State of Israel, the HoAP and the numerous specific threats acknowledged by the HoAP (as outlined in Posting #32), they Palestinian people still believe that they should not be held accountable for the actions they take. They believe themselves above the law.

(COMMENT)

Just as there are many facets to the Arab Palestinians, so there are many different facets to the Israeli Community. The Israeli Government and the Israeli People do not think in terms of "ally 'vs' enemy" ---- "friend or foe." They think in terms of the "potential for danger;" or the "likelihood of an attack." Sometimes, this distinction is interpreted to mean the same thing.

At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have pledged Jihad against Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have fired a rocket barrage at Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "
an HoAP gunman that opened fire on the patrons of a pub on Tel Aviv's Dizengoff Street" and what it means to be the "enemy."


​

“Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded.
Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day.”
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at Khaled Mashal

As a Palestinian today I speak of a Palestinian and Arab demand for a state on 1967 borders.
It is true that in reality there will be an entity or state called Israel on the rest of Palestinian land.
This is a reality, but I won't deal with it in terms of recognising or admitting it.
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1111721
​

Most Respectfully,
R

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community...​

Indeed, there are those defending their country. Then there are those who are...ah...er...hmmm...

It's an odd notion that HoAP's provoking an Israeli retaliation by committing acts of war (launching rockets at population centers) is defending ones country.

Such acts are perfectly consistent with Islamic terrorists promoting the goals of the Hamas Charter.

Oh no, not more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

It's best you don't attempt to actually address the comments of others.

The Palestinians have the right to resist occupation.

You forget that all of the time.

And the Israelis have the right to defend themselves from murderous terrorist savages. Let the games begin. No whining please.

 

[Roudy]

It's an odd notion that HoAP's provoking an Israeli retaliation by committing acts of war (launching rockets at population centers) is defending ones country.

Such acts are perfectly consistent with Islamic terrorists promoting the goals of the Hamas Charter.

Oh no, not more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

It's best you don't attempt to actually address the comments of others.

The Palestinians have the right to resist occupation.

You forget that all of the time.

The Arabs-Moslems occupying the disputed territories have a perceived right to acts of Islamic terrorism. They also own the consequences of those acts.

Another generation of Islamo-bots who know nothing but welfare fraud and silly slogans about "resistance". Those at the top of the pyramid scheme called UNRWA who are stashing away millions of infidel welfare dollars for their personal gain owe you a debt of gratitude, but not a dime in hard currency. People like you are the stooges who the primary welfare thieves stand on the necks of to stuff their bank accounts.

This man knows a lot more than a ZioNazi bot.

This man knows more than an IslamoNazi bot:

 

[montelatici]

He knows nothing about Apartheid. MLK wasn't South African.

This guy did though:

 

[Roudy]

He knows nothing about Apartheid. MLK wasn't South African.

This guy did though:

No thanks, I'll take what MLK thought about Israel.

 

[Hollie]

"It cannot be the case that International Law can punish a Protected Person (the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip) on the one hand, and free them to commit offense ending in harm to the Occupation Power."

That was the case with respect to the French Resistance and other partisan groups. Not only that, Germans were found guilty and jailed or executed as a result of the Nuremberg trials for having killed members of partisan groups in reprisals.

That was quite the islamo-tap dance. Your failed attempt at analogy is pointless as the circumstances are not analogous.

Can you guess why?

 

[Hollie]

He knows nothing about Apartheid. MLK wasn't South African.

This guy did though:

As it relates to apartheid, the words from Mandella truly apply to fascist Islamic nations.

 

[montelatici]

Oh no, not more Israeli terrorist propaganda crap.

It's best you don't attempt to actually address the comments of others.

The Palestinians have the right to resist occupation.

You forget that all of the time.

The Arabs-Moslems occupying the disputed territories have a perceived right to acts of Islamic terrorism. They also own the consequences of those acts.

Another generation of Islamo-bots who know nothing but welfare fraud and silly slogans about "resistance". Those at the top of the pyramid scheme called UNRWA who are stashing away millions of infidel welfare dollars for their personal gain owe you a debt of gratitude, but not a dime in hard currency. People like you are the stooges who the primary welfare thieves stand on the necks of to stuff their bank accounts.

This man knows a lot more than a ZioNazi bot.

This man knows more than an IslamoNazi bot:

By the way, MLK never stated:

"When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews–make no mistake about it.”

It is Zionist propaganda. But of course that's all you post. You will never find a video where he said any such thing, just Zionist claims that he said it.

 

[montelatici]

He knows nothing about Apartheid. MLK wasn't South African.

This guy did though:

As it relates to apartheid, the words from Mandella truly apply to fascist Islamic nations.

No, he said that the Palestinians were in a struggle against the ZioNazi Israelis like the non-whites had been in as struggle against the Apartheid regime in South Africa.