Why Do Palestinians Lie About Wanting Peace? And Two States?

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

No --- you have mixed some fact with some fiction.

The British renounced their Mandate of Palestine as a result of the Hostile Jewish Invader's (HJI's) terrorism which resulted in a growing number of British casualties. With the renunciation of the Mandate control of the territory transferred to the UN collectively as no single member accepted the responsibility.

(COMMENT)

As usual, there is some fiction to be found in your interpretation of events.

FIRST: The UK, did not abandon the Mandate because of mounting casualties. At the beginning of 1948, (Foreign Secretary on the 18th February 1947. In the course of his speech he said) "There are in Palestine about 1,200,000 Arabs and 600,000 Jews.

• For the Jews the essential point of principle is the creation of sovereign Jewish State.
• For the Arabs, the essential point of principle is to resist to the last the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in any part of Palestine.
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the Plan by Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP), the British Foreign Secretary made a critical decision:

154. This decision was announced to the House of Commons by the Foreign Secretary on the 18th February 1947. In the course of his speech he said:-

The British Mandatory understood that there no set of politically acceptable - and - diplomatic prospects, that would resolve the conflict. In the face of the dilemma and presented with "irreconcilable differences," that had no chance of resolving the differences between the Arab Citizens and Jewish Immigrants, the Mandatory came to the conclusion that the Mandate was now unworkable. Essentially, after the passage of the Partition Plan [A/RES/181(II)] in November 1947, together with the announced rejection of --- the British Foreign Secretary made the following decision:

"It is in these circumstances that we have decided that we are unable to accept the scheme put forward either by the Arabs or by the Jews, or to impose ourselves a solution or our own. We have, therefore, reached the conclusion that the only course now open to us is to submit the problem to the judgement of the United Nations. We intend to place before them an historical account of the way in which His majesty’s government have discharged their trust in Palestine over the last twenty-five years. We shall explain that the Mandate has proved to be unworkable in practice, and that the obligations undertaken to the two communities in Palestine have been shown to be irreconcilable. We shall describe the various proposals which have been put forward for dealing with the situation, namely, the Arab Plan, the Zionist’s aspirations, so far as we have been able to ascertain them, the proposals of the Anglo-American committee and the various proposals which we ourselves have put forward. We shall then ask the United Nations to consider our report, and to recommend a settlement of the problem. We do not intend ourselves to recommend any particular solution.”
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It had nothing to do with mounting Jewish or Arab Terrorism; or the associated casualties.

"152. His Majesty’s Government considered that these proposals were consistent with the terms both of the League Mandate and of Article 76 of the United Nations Charter. They also looked forward to an early termination of the trust:"

"His Majesty’s Government are not prepared to continue indefinitely to govern Palestine themselves
merely because Arabs and Jews cannot agree upon the means of sharing its government between them. The proposals contained in the present memorandum are designed to give the two peoples and opportunity of demonstrating their ability to work together for the good of Palestine as a whole and so providing a stable foundation for an independent State.”

The Covenant of the League of Nation provides for eventual nationhood for the inhabitants of the former Turkish territories, the non-Jews were the overwhelming majority of the former Turkish territory that was placed under the Mandate. The UN Charter did not change this provision but repeated it in Chapter X1, Article 73.

"Article 73

"Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for the administration of territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, and accept as a sacred trust the obligation to promote to the utmost, within the system of international peace and security established by the present Charter, the well-being of the inhabitants of these territories, and, to this end....."

Chapter XI | United Nations

It is clear that the UN completely ignored this article with respect to the non-Jewish inhabitants. The whole operation which facilitated the dispossession of the non-Jews not only ran counter to the provisions of the Covenant of the League of Nations, but also the the UN Charter. The principal "that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount" were not protected for the majority of the inhabitants i.e., the non-Jews.

(COMMENT)

SECOND: Article 73, speaks to the future tense of Administrations, and not past tense of a Mandate.

The Mandate transferred to the UN under Article 77(1a) of the UN Charter. BUT, since you brought this matter up, this leads to the direct question about Article 80, of the UN Charter. The best explanation I've ever seen is the Article by the News Outlet Algemeiner and the presentation on Article 80 and the UN Recognition of a “Palestinian State” 22 September 2011. EXCERPT:

{indent]The reference here is, of course, to Article 80 of the UN Charter, once known unofficially as the Jewish People’s clause, which preserves intact all the rights granted to Jews under the Mandate for Palestine, even after the Mandate’s expiry on May 14-15, 1948. Under this provision of international law (the Charter is an international treaty), Jewish rights to Palestine and the Land of Israel were not to be altered in any way unless there had been an intervening trusteeship agreement between the states or parties concerned, which would have converted the Mandate into a trusteeship or trust territory. The only period of time such an agreement could have been concluded under Chapter 12 of the UN Charter was during the three-year period from October 24, 1945, the date the Charter entered into force after appropriate ratifications, until May 14-15, 1948, the date the Mandate expired and the State of Israel was proclaimed. Since no agreement of this type was made during this relevant three-year period, in which Jewish rights to all of Palestine may conceivably have been altered had Palestine been converted into a trust territory, those Jewish rights that had existed under the Mandate remained in full force and effect, to which the UN is still committed by Article 80 to uphold, or is prohibited from altering.​

Now what is interesting about this is that before the Agreement to Alter was expired, during the three-year period from October 24, 1945, the date the Charter entered into force after appropriate ratifications, until May 14-15, 1948, the UNPC invited the Arab Higher Committee (AHC) to participate the implementation of the Partition Plan. Which of course, instead of using their influence from the inside, that AHC rejected the invitation and instead chose to us military forces to achieve what attain through diplomatic means.

ALGEMEINER: As a direct result of Article 80, the UN cannot transfer these rights over any part of Palestine, vested as they are in the Jewish People, to any non-Jewish entity, such as the “Palestinian Authority.” Among the most important of these Jewish rights are those contained in Article 6 of the Mandate which recognized the right of Jews to immigrate freely to the Land of Israel and to establish settlements thereon, rights which are fully protected by Article 80 of the UN Charter.​

The UN did not ignore the Article. it plainly did not apply since the UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) had already been appointed by the General Assembly as the "Successor Government." Your assumption here is that the territory was abandoned. That would be an entirely wrong interpretation of historical events. The "Successor Government" was adopted by the General Assembly in the Part I - Future Constitution and Government of Palestine, Resolution 181(II):

A Commission shall be set up consisting of one representative of each of five Member States. The Members represented on the Commission shall be elected by the General Assembly on as broad a basis, geographically and otherwise, as possible.

The administration of Palestine shall, as the mandatory Power withdraws its armed forces, be progressively turned over to the Commission, which shall act in conformity with the recommendations of the General Assembly, under the guidance of the Security Council. The mandatory Power shall to the fullest possible extent coordinate its plans for withdrawal with the plans of the Commission to take over and administer areas which have been evacuated.

In the discharge of this administrative responsibility the Commission shall have authority to issue necessary regulations and take other measures as required.

The mandatory Power shall not take any action to prevent, obstruct or delay the implementation by the Commission of the measures recommended by the General Assembly.

On its arrival in Palestine the Commission shall proceed to carry out measures for the establishment of the frontiers of the Arab and Jewish States and the City of Jerusalem in accordance with the general lines of the recommendations of the General Assembly on the partition of Palestine. Nevertheless, the boundaries as described in Part II of this Plan are to be modified in such a way that village areas as a rule will not be divided by state boundaries unless pressing reasons make that necessary.

"After the 15th May, 1948, the United Nations Commission will be the Government of Palestine. It does not seem very material whether it is considered to be the de facto or the de jure Government. In any case, its title to be the Government of Palestine will rest on the resolution of the General Assembly. "His Majesty's Government will recognize the United Nations Commission as the authority with which to make an agreement regarding the transfer of the assets of the Government of Palestine."
SOURCE: Joint International Announcement released by the UN and UK Press Release PAL/138 27 February 1948
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Article 80 Chapter XII - International Trusteeship System

1. Except as may be agreed upon in individual trusteeship agreements, made under Articles 77, 79, and 81, placing each territory under the trusteeship system, and until such agreements have been concluded, nothing in this Chapter shall be construed in or of itself to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments to which Members of the United Nations may respectively be parties.

2. Paragraph 1 of this Article shall not be interpreted as giving grounds for delay or postponement of the negotiation and conclusion of agreements for placing mandated and other territories under the trusteeship system as provided for in Article 77.​

As is clear, the multinational UNPC was the successor government. External Interference by Military Forces of the Arab League, attacked on the day of Israeli Independence. Both Egypt and Jordan staking claims (Gaza Strip and West Bank respectively) to their piece of Palestine.

FINALLY: For every argument, there is a counter-Argument. The arguments over the Mandate and the UN charter have absolutely no impact on Israel after independence and self-determination. The Jewish People were citizens and entitled to exercise their rights. No matter how the Charter or the Mandate are interpreted, even if they are interpreted 100% in all the favorable convoluted ways the Arab Palestinians have presented, it does not matter. The State of Israel will remain the Jewish National Home as envisioned nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

the Mandatory came to the conclusion that the Mandate was now unworkable.​

It was always unworkable, dumb ass.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yeah --- and so? (Did you say this with a straight face?)

The various radical Islamic Culture, from the Great Wall to the Western and Southern boundaries of the Mediterranean Sea, the Red Sea, and the Arabian Sea, Have no real history of nonviolence or promoting Humanitarian Civil Rights.

Nobody has the right or the authority to violate the rights of others.

(COMMENT)

It is a nice slogan; but not much on realism in the Middle East; BUT this slogan cuts both ways. It is applicable just as much towards the Islamic Jihadist as it does towards the Jewish people.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yeah --- and so? (Did you say this with a straight face?)

The various radical Islamic Culture, from the Great Wall to the Western and Southern boundaries of the Mediterranean Sea, the Red Sea, and the Arabian Sea, Have no real history of nonviolence or promoting Humanitarian Civil Rights.

Nobody has the right or the authority to violate the rights of others.

(COMMENT)

It is a nice slogan; but not much on realism in the Middle East; BUT this slogan cuts both ways. It is applicable just as much towards the Islamic Jihadist as it does towards the Jewish people.

Most Respectfully,
R

Save the slime. I'm not interested.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Whether or not it was as obvious to the Mandatory in 1929, 1935, 1945, or 1948, is almost irrelevant or germain to the point being made (why the Mandatory was given relief from the requirements of the Mandate).

the Mandatory came to the conclusion that the Mandate was now unworkable.

It was always unworkable, dumb ass.

(COMMENT)

Whether we choose to look at the consequences as being a result of a Mandate with objectives that were not able to function under the multicultural Jewish/Arab community; or of such a complexity as fundamentally impossible to carried out successfully, is really a matter of human limitations. The intent of the Mandatory was to express that both cultures were proposing requirements on the peace that they knew the other would not accepts. And that makes it more intentional obstruction, as opposed to impractical or unworkable.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Whether or not it was as obvious to the Mandatory in 1929, 1935, 1945, or 1948, is almost irrelevant or germain to the point being made (why the Mandatory was given relief from the requirements of the Mandate).

the Mandatory came to the conclusion that the Mandate was now unworkable.

It was always unworkable, dumb ass.

(COMMENT)

Whether we choose to look at the consequences as being a result of a Mandate with objectives that were not able to function under the multicultural Jewish/Arab community; or of such a complexity as fundamentally impossible to carried out successfully, is really a matter of human limitations. The intent of the Mandatory was to express that both cultures were proposing requirements on the peace that they knew the other would not accepts. And that makes it more intentional obstruction, as opposed to impractical or unworkable.

Most Respectfully,
R

For twenty five years Britain was told repeatedly and emphatically that their stupid plan was not going to work. Where were they? Did they have their head up their ass?

And it was the epitome of stupid. A hundred years later their stupid plan still isn't working.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Whether or not it was as obvious to the Mandatory in 1929, 1935, 1945, or 1948, is almost irrelevant or germain to the point being made (why the Mandatory was given relief from the requirements of the Mandate).

the Mandatory came to the conclusion that the Mandate was now unworkable.

It was always unworkable, dumb ass.

(COMMENT)

Whether we choose to look at the consequences as being a result of a Mandate with objectives that were not able to function under the multicultural Jewish/Arab community; or of such a complexity as fundamentally impossible to carried out successfully, is really a matter of human limitations. The intent of the Mandatory was to express that both cultures were proposing requirements on the peace that they knew the other would not accepts. And that makes it more intentional obstruction, as opposed to impractical or unworkable.

Most Respectfully,
R

For twenty five years Britain was told repeatedly and emphatically that their stupid plan was not going to work. Where were they? Did they have their head up their ass?

And it was the epitome of stupid. A hundred years later their stupid plan still isn't working.

From the perspective of the hostile Arab-Moslem, it's self-serving to claim the "stupid plan still isn't working". The establishment of the nation of Israel is working well in that Israel has progressed, built on success and has a viable government based largely on Western precepts of rule of law.

Israel is certainly an affront to the typical polluted backwaters of Arab-Moslem dictatorships. I suspect your primary grievance and that shared by the cutting and pasting islamo-cabal is the real humiliation to the Arab-Moslem psyche of the reviled Jew in muhammud's (swish) neighborhood and the successes forged by Israel while the Arab-Moslem continues to wallow in self-created defeat and retrogression.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Whether or not it was as obvious to the Mandatory in 1929, 1935, 1945, or 1948, is almost irrelevant or germain to the point being made (why the Mandatory was given relief from the requirements of the Mandate).

the Mandatory came to the conclusion that the Mandate was now unworkable.

It was always unworkable, dumb ass.

(COMMENT)

Whether we choose to look at the consequences as being a result of a Mandate with objectives that were not able to function under the multicultural Jewish/Arab community; or of such a complexity as fundamentally impossible to carried out successfully, is really a matter of human limitations. The intent of the Mandatory was to express that both cultures were proposing requirements on the peace that they knew the other would not accepts. And that makes it more intentional obstruction, as opposed to impractical or unworkable.

Most Respectfully,
R

For twenty five years Britain was told repeatedly and emphatically that their stupid plan was not going to work. Where were they? Did they have their head up their ass?

And it was the epitome of stupid. A hundred years later their stupid plan still isn't working.

From the perspective of the hostile Arab-Moslem, it's self-serving to claim the "stupid plan still isn't working". The establishment of the nation of Israel is working well in that Israel has progressed, built on success and has a viable government based largely on Western precepts of rule of law.

Israel is certainly an affront to the typical polluted backwaters of Arab-Moslem dictatorships. I suspect your primary grievance and that shared by the cutting and pasting islamo-cabal is the real humiliation to the Arab-Moslem psyche of the reviled Jew in muhammud's (swish) neighborhood and the successes forged by Israel while the Arab-Moslem continues to wallow in self-created defeat and retrogression.

And with Israel's vast military and resources it still cannot defeat the Palestinian civilians. They are still considered an existential threat.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Whether or not it was as obvious to the Mandatory in 1929, 1935, 1945, or 1948, is almost irrelevant or germain to the point being made (why the Mandatory was given relief from the requirements of the Mandate).

the Mandatory came to the conclusion that the Mandate was now unworkable.

It was always unworkable, dumb ass.

(COMMENT)

Whether we choose to look at the consequences as being a result of a Mandate with objectives that were not able to function under the multicultural Jewish/Arab community; or of such a complexity as fundamentally impossible to carried out successfully, is really a matter of human limitations. The intent of the Mandatory was to express that both cultures were proposing requirements on the peace that they knew the other would not accepts. And that makes it more intentional obstruction, as opposed to impractical or unworkable.

Most Respectfully,
R

For twenty five years Britain was told repeatedly and emphatically that their stupid plan was not going to work. Where were they? Did they have their head up their ass?

And it was the epitome of stupid. A hundred years later their stupid plan still isn't working.

From the perspective of the hostile Arab-Moslem, it's self-serving to claim the "stupid plan still isn't working". The establishment of the nation of Israel is working well in that Israel has progressed, built on success and has a viable government based largely on Western precepts of rule of law.

Israel is certainly an affront to the typical polluted backwaters of Arab-Moslem dictatorships. I suspect your primary grievance and that shared by the cutting and pasting islamo-cabal is the real humiliation to the Arab-Moslem psyche of the reviled Jew in muhammud's (swish) neighborhood and the successes forged by Israel while the Arab-Moslem continues to wallow in self-created defeat and retrogression.

And with Israel's vast military and resources it still cannot defeat the Palestinian civilians. They are still considered an existential threat.

What do you mean " defeat the Pal'istanian civilians"?

Israel is not in any war with 'Pal'istanian civilians. You seem a bit befuddled. I can understand you're going to flame some conspiracy addled response to suggest the Israelis are at war but why bother?

 

[montelatici]

It's quite clear who is befuddled. LOL

"Israel’s new justice minister considers all Palestinians to be ‘the enemy’

The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started...

Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.

Israel’s new justice minister considers all Palestinians to be ‘the enemy’

 

[Hollie]

It's quite clear who is befuddled. LOL

"Israel’s new justice minister considers all Palestinians to be ‘the enemy’

The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started...

Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.

Israel’s new justice minister considers all Palestinians to be ‘the enemy’

Yes, yes. The above is an article you've cut and pasted before and it's as irrelevant now as before.

Your being befuddled accounts for your bewilderment but why don't you try and explain who these 'Pal'istanian' civilians are that The Zionists™ are trying to defeat?

 

[montelatici]

It is hilarious to observe the dazed and confused accuse their betters of befuddlement.

 

[Hollie]

It is hilarious to observe the dazed and confused accuse their betters of befuddlement.

It is curious that you islamo-tap dance around those issues you're too befuddled to address. Your silly chest-heaving dies nothing to address the bankruptcy of your attempt at argument.

So, how is it that you can pretend there were no invading / colonizing Turks and no invading / squatting Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese squatters / land grabbers?

Maybe you're thinking the space aliens seeded the area?

 

[montelatici]

Because, every serious academic that has studied the anthropological impact of successive rulers of Palestine has concluded that the impact has been insignificant.been insignificant. The genetic makeup of the native inhabitants Palestine underwent little to no change until European genes were introduced by the massive influx of European Jews.


"The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition. Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001). ã American Society for Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, 2001. Published by Elsevier Sciece Inc."

http://www.rense.com/general48/palestinians.pdf

 

[Hollie]

Because, every serious academic that has studied the anthropological impact of successive rulers of Palestine has concluded that the impact has been insignificant.been insignificant. The genetic makeup of the native inhabitants Palestine underwent little to no change until European genes were introduced by the massive influx of European Jews.


"The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition. Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001). ã American Society for Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, 2001. Published by Elsevier Sciece Inc."

http://www.rense.com/general48/palestinians.pdf

In spite of that long cut and paste, irrelevant to my posted comments, we're left with you Islamo-tap dancing around your denial that there were invading / colonizing Turks and invading / squatting Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese squatters / land grabbers occupying the geographic area called 'Pal'istanian.

 

[montelatici]

There were no Turkish settlers, the only land grabbers are the Jews who came from somewhere else to colonize Palestine.

 

[Hollie]

There were no Turkish settlers, the only land grabbers are the Jews who came from somewhere else to colonize Palestine.

Your screeching won't change history.

 

[Roudy]

It's quite clear who is befuddled. LOL

"Israel’s new justice minister considers all Palestinians to be ‘the enemy’

The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war. It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started...

Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.

Israel’s new justice minister considers all Palestinians to be ‘the enemy’

Thanks for posting that. Beautifully said:


"Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."

 

[Roudy]

Because, every serious academic that has studied the anthropological impact of successive rulers of Palestine has concluded that the impact has been insignificant.been insignificant. The genetic makeup of the native inhabitants Palestine underwent little to no change until European genes were introduced by the massive influx of European Jews.


"The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition. Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001). ã American Society for Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, 2001. Published by Elsevier Sciece Inc."

http://www.rense.com/general48/palestinians.pdf

You might hate Jews if....
"You think Palestinian invaders aren't the same genetically as the Arabs from the other countries (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc.) they invaded from"

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, Hollie, montelatici, et al,

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community at any. Some are long standing and some are relatively new. Some have splintered and some have mutated into something else. One of the characteristic of Terrorist, Jihadist, Insurgents, and other hostile asymmetric warfare elements and activities is that they cannot long survive in a vacuum, divorced from local intelligence, material, and concealment support.

There is no question that the Arab Palestinians have provided all three types of support to the same HoAP groups that were involved in:

• HAMAS had fired more than 450 rockets, from Gaza, at Israel between January and mid June 2014; with a significant increase starting on 15 June 2014. Launching (according to UN data), more than 4,800 rockets and 1,700 mortars were fired from Gaza towards Israel between 8 July and 26 August 2014. Around 224 projectiles are believed to have struck Israeli residential areas.

• In the period leading up to the launch of Operation Protective Edge on 8 July 2014 in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

Dec 24, 2013 - Salah Shukri Abu Latyef, 22, of Rahat was shot and killed by sniper fire in a shooting attack near the Israel-Gaza border fence.

Apr 14, 2014 - Chief Superintendent Baruch Mizrahi, 47, of Modi’in was killed in a terrorist shooting near the village Idhna, northeast of Hebron.

May 1, 2014 - The body of Shelly Dadon, 20, of Afula, was found near the Migdal HaEmek industrial area with multiple stab wounds.

Jun 12, 2014 - Three high school students - Eyal Yifrah, 19, of Elad; Gilad Sha'er, 16, of Talmon; and Naftali Frenkel, 16, of Nof Ayalon - were kidnapped by Hamas terrorists in the area of Gush Etzion, while trying to hitch a ride home. Their bodies were discovered after an extensive search on June 30.
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Despite the demonstrated terrorist threat, the State of Israel, the HoAP and the numerous specific threats acknowledged by the HoAP (as outlined in Posting #32), they Palestinian people still believe that they should not be held accountable for the actions they take. They believe themselves above the law.

And with Israel's vast military and resources it still cannot defeat the Palestinian civilians. They are still considered an existential threat.

What do you mean " defeat the Pal'istanian civilians"?
Israel is not in any war with 'Pal'istanian civilians. You seem a bit befuddled. I can understand you're going to flame some conspiracy addled response to suggest the Israelis are at war but why bother?

The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war.
Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism.

(COMMENT)

Just as there are many facets to the Arab Palestinians, so there are many different facets to the Israeli Community. The Israeli Government and the Israeli People do not think in terms of "ally 'vs' enemy" ---- "friend or foe." They think in terms of the "potential for danger;" or the "likelihood of an attack." Sometimes, this distinction is interpreted to mean the same thing.

At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have pledged Jihad against Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have fired a rocket barrage at Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "
an HoAP gunman that opened fire on the patrons of a pub on Tel Aviv's Dizengoff Street" and what it means to be the "enemy."


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“Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded.
Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day.”
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at Khaled Mashal

As a Palestinian today I speak of a Palestinian and Arab demand for a state on 1967 borders.
It is true that in reality there will be an entity or state called Israel on the rest of Palestinian land.
This is a reality, but I won't deal with it in terms of recognising or admitting it.
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1111721
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Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, Hollie, montelatici, et al,

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community at any. Some are long standing and some are relatively new. Some have splintered and some have mutated into something else. One of the characteristic of Terrorist, Jihadist, Insurgents, and other hostile asymmetric warfare elements and activities is that they cannot long survive in a vacuum, divorced from local intelligence, material, and concealment support.

There is no question that the Arab Palestinians have provided all three types of support to the same HoAP groups that were involved in:

• HAMAS had fired more than 450 rockets, from Gaza, at Israel between January and mid June 2014; with a significant increase starting on 15 June 2014. Launching (according to UN data), more than 4,800 rockets and 1,700 mortars were fired from Gaza towards Israel between 8 July and 26 August 2014. Around 224 projectiles are believed to have struck Israeli residential areas.

• In the period leading up to the launch of Operation Protective Edge on 8 July 2014 in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.

Dec 24, 2013 - Salah Shukri Abu Latyef, 22, of Rahat was shot and killed by sniper fire in a shooting attack near the Israel-Gaza border fence.

Apr 14, 2014 - Chief Superintendent Baruch Mizrahi, 47, of Modi’in was killed in a terrorist shooting near the village Idhna, northeast of Hebron.

May 1, 2014 - The body of Shelly Dadon, 20, of Afula, was found near the Migdal HaEmek industrial area with multiple stab wounds.

Jun 12, 2014 - Three high school students - Eyal Yifrah, 19, of Elad; Gilad Sha'er, 16, of Talmon; and Naftali Frenkel, 16, of Nof Ayalon - were kidnapped by Hamas terrorists in the area of Gush Etzion, while trying to hitch a ride home. Their bodies were discovered after an extensive search on June 30.
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Despite the demonstrated terrorist threat, the State of Israel, the HoAP and the numerous specific threats acknowledged by the HoAP (as outlined in Posting #32), they Palestinian people still believe that they should not be held accountable for the actions they take. They believe themselves above the law.

And with Israel's vast military and resources it still cannot defeat the Palestinian civilians. They are still considered an existential threat.

What do you mean " defeat the Pal'istanian civilians"?
Israel is not in any war with 'Pal'istanian civilians. You seem a bit befuddled. I can understand you're going to flame some conspiracy addled response to suggest the Israelis are at war but why bother?

The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war.
Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism.

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Just as there are many facets to the Arab Palestinians, so there are many different facets to the Israeli Community. The Israeli Government and the Israeli People do not think in terms of "ally 'vs' enemy" ---- "friend or foe." They think in terms of the "potential for danger;" or the "likelihood of an attack." Sometimes, this distinction is interpreted to mean the same thing.

At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have pledged Jihad against Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "have fired a rocket barrage at Israel" --- and the "enemy."
At some point, one has to rationalize the difference between a known set of HoAP that "
an HoAP gunman that opened fire on the patrons of a pub on Tel Aviv's Dizengoff Street" and what it means to be the "enemy."


​

“Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded.
Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day.”
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at Khaled Mashal

As a Palestinian today I speak of a Palestinian and Arab demand for a state on 1967 borders.
It is true that in reality there will be an entity or state called Israel on the rest of Palestinian land.
This is a reality, but I won't deal with it in terms of recognising or admitting it.
―
Khaled Mashal
Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/quote/1111721
​

Most Respectfully,
R

There are several different factions within the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) community...​

Indeed, there are those defending their country. Then there are those who are...ah...er...hmmm...