Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?

[ding]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

To test us.

 

[Mudda]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

To test us.

Sort of like a beta tester? So He's still working on us and not sure if it's a final product yet?

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

Wow! A sound bite with no origin.

Thanks for the argument against the premise. Oh wait.

Do you know what adlib means?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

Was it because the Gnostics were reprehensible human beings?

No.

It was the Christians who initiated the reprehensible Inquisition and ended the free thinking and brought on the Dark Age of Christianity.

Seems you are maintaining their old barbaric and anti-freedom of thought stance.

You might want to grow up and start loving your fellow man instead of hating him.

Regards
DL

.

Or maybe I understand the history better than you do.

Or maybe you don't.

That get my vote.

Regards
DL

But I do know your kind.

"...Shafarevich points out with great precision both the cause and the genesis of the first socialist doctrines, which he characterizes as reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity..."

"...Beginning with the Middle Ages and the Reformation, doctrines of chiliastic socialism in Western Europe appeared under religious guise. As varied as they were, all these doctrines had in common a characteristic trait--the rejection of numerous aspects of the teachings of the Catholic Church and a fierce hatred for the Church itself..."

"...The movement of the Cathars (Greek for "the pure") spread in Western and Central Europe in the eleventh century. It seems to have originated in the East, arriving from Bulgaria, the home of Bogomil heresy in the preceding century. The ultimate origins of both, however, are more ancient...."

"...The so-called dualistic Cathars believed this to be caused by the existence of two Gods--one good, the other evil. It was the God of evil who had created the physical world--the earth with everything that grows upon it, the sky, the sun and the stars, and human bodies as well. The good God, on the other hand, was seen as the creator of the spiritual world, in which there is another, spiritual sky, other stars and another sun. Other Cathars, called monarchian Cathars, believed in one beneficent God, the creator of the universe, but assumed that the physical world was the creation of his eldest, fallen son--Satan or Lucifer. All the Cathars held that the mutual hostility of the realms of matter and spirit allowed for no intermingling. They therefore denied the bodily incarnation of Christ (asserting that his body was a spiritual one, which had only the appearance of physicality) and the resurrection of the flesh. They saw a reflection of their dualism in the division of the Holy Scriptures into Old and New Testaments. They identified the God of the Old Testament, the creator of the physical world, with the evil God or with Lucifer. They professed the New Testament as the teaching of the good God.

"...The Cathars did not believe that God had created the world from nothing; they held that matter was eternal and that the world would have no end. So far as people were concerned, they considered their bodies to be the creation of the evil force. Their souls, though, did not have a single source. The souls of the majority of men, just like their bodies, were begotten by evil--such people had no hope for salvation and were doomed to perish when the entire material world returned to a state of primeval chaos...."

Does this sound like you? Can you tell me how your beliefs vary from these beliefs?

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

First, you have to recognize that our myths, that are full of the supernatural, were created to put against the Christian myth that is also full the supernatural.

Second, you have to recognize that Gnostic Christians do not believe in the supernatural. Like Karaite Jews, we put man above God because we recognize that all the Gods are man made.

We follow the esoteric and mystical Jesus of scripture. Not the Roman ass kisser that Rome invented.


Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.



Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

blind hearted mortals choose to serve satan over god to please their flesh. They deserve him.

So do you and Book of Jeremiah worship the same God?

I worship no God as idol worship is not something Gnostic Christians do.

To us, to worship God is just to worship our own mental picture of God as that mental picture is the only God any theist can know.

We called/call Yahweh a vile demiurge as we would never adore a genocidal son murdering God.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

blind hearted mortals choose to serve satan over god to please their flesh. They deserve him.

More like to protect their flesh.

Have you counted the many murders attributed to God and how few are attributed to Satan?

Which one would you prefer to meet?

If you are going to reply, tell us what it is you adore about your genocidal on murdering God.

Regards
DL

A. Meaning in God.
B. Meaning in Creation.
C. Meaning in Human Existence.
D Meaning in History.
E. Meaning in Morality.
F. Meaning in Justice.
G. Meaning in Suffering.
H. Meaning in Messianism.

Garbage.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

To test us.

Why would an all knowing God test us when he already knows the outcome of the test?

Why would he give Satan the power to deceive all the world and expect us to be immune to his own power flowing through Satan?

Your view of God has many holes and you have fallen into them.

You might want to wonder why Satan has deceived you into following a genocidal son murdering God.

Regards
DL

 

[Indeependent]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

Wow! A sound bite with no origin.

Thanks for the argument against the premise. Oh wait.

Do you know what adlib means?

Regards
DL

I Googled it...no source; just made up, anti-religion butt hurt.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

Wow! A sound bite with no origin.

Thank you. You're right. G-d never said that. I was wondering when someone would get around to informing the "uniformed."

 

[ding]

Why would an all knowing God test us when he already knows the outcome of the test?

Based on this logic, you might as well ask why He created the universe, right? I mean after all He already knows the outcome, right?

I can only assume He does so because it is His Nature to do so. But you don't believe in God, so why would you even ask this question? In fact, what is more ridiculous and all knowing God who knows the outcome and still chooses to create beings that know and create so that they may progress in virtue and validate His goodness or a jack-a-nape who does not believe in God, yet visits religious forums to validate his non-belief?

 

[ding]

Why would he give Satan the power to deceive all the world and expect us to be immune to his own power flowing through Satan?

Because it is not virtuous if you are forced to be virtuous or never had the opportunity to choose to be virtuous.

 

[ding]

Your view of God has many holes and you have fallen into them.

You might want to wonder why Satan has deceived you into following a genocidal son murdering God.

Actually, it doesn't. I know. I have looked for them. You on the other hand are full of holes. You don't believe in satan and you don't believe in God or Jesus Christ, yet here you are discussing what you don't believe. The reality is that you practice critical theory which is the Cultural Marxist theory to criticize what you do not believe to arrive at what you do believe without ever having to examine what you believe. You confuse critical theory for critical thinking. Critical thinking is the practice of challenging what one does believe to test its validity which is what I have done and why my arguments will always make you look like an idiot.

 

[ding]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

blind hearted mortals choose to serve satan over god to please their flesh. They deserve him.

More like to protect their flesh.

Have you counted the many murders attributed to God and how few are attributed to Satan?

Which one would you prefer to meet?

If you are going to reply, tell us what it is you adore about your genocidal on murdering God.

Regards
DL

A. Meaning in God.
B. Meaning in Creation.
C. Meaning in Human Existence.
D Meaning in History.
E. Meaning in Morality.
F. Meaning in Justice.
G. Meaning in Suffering.
H. Meaning in Messianism.

Garbage.

Regards
DL

How is belief in God giving mankind meaning garbage?

A. Meaning in God.
B. Meaning in Creation.
C. Meaning in Human Existence.
D Meaning in History.
E. Meaning in Morality.
F. Meaning in Justice.
G. Meaning in Suffering.
H. Meaning in Messianism.

Can you not articulate why it is garbage? Are there no words you can find to explain your opinion? Are you so lacking in intellect that all you can reply with is a one word unsubstantiated reply? Surely a man as intelligent as you can do better, right? Well? Can you?

 

[ding]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

blind hearted mortals choose to serve satan over god to please their flesh. They deserve him.

So do you and Book of Jeremiah worship the same God?

I worship no God as idol worship is not something Gnostic Christians do.

To us, to worship God is just to worship our own mental picture of God as that mental picture is the only God any theist can know.

We called/call Yahweh a vile demiurge as we would never adore a genocidal son murdering God.

Regards
DL

So basically you are a militant atheist. What a surprise. That is just shocking. Who ever could have seen that coming?

 

[ding]

Was it because the Gnostics were reprehensible human beings?

No.

It was the Christians who initiated the reprehensible Inquisition and ended the free thinking and brought on the Dark Age of Christianity.

Seems you are maintaining their old barbaric and anti-freedom of thought stance.

You might want to grow up and start loving your fellow man instead of hating him.

Regards
DL

.

Or maybe I understand the history better than you do.

Or maybe you don't.

That get my vote.

Regards
DL

But I do know your kind.

"...Shafarevich points out with great precision both the cause and the genesis of the first socialist doctrines, which he characterizes as reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity..."

"...Beginning with the Middle Ages and the Reformation, doctrines of chiliastic socialism in Western Europe appeared under religious guise. As varied as they were, all these doctrines had in common a characteristic trait--the rejection of numerous aspects of the teachings of the Catholic Church and a fierce hatred for the Church itself..."

"...The movement of the Cathars (Greek for "the pure") spread in Western and Central Europe in the eleventh century. It seems to have originated in the East, arriving from Bulgaria, the home of Bogomil heresy in the preceding century. The ultimate origins of both, however, are more ancient...."

"...The so-called dualistic Cathars believed this to be caused by the existence of two Gods--one good, the other evil. It was the God of evil who had created the physical world--the earth with everything that grows upon it, the sky, the sun and the stars, and human bodies as well. The good God, on the other hand, was seen as the creator of the spiritual world, in which there is another, spiritual sky, other stars and another sun. Other Cathars, called monarchian Cathars, believed in one beneficent God, the creator of the universe, but assumed that the physical world was the creation of his eldest, fallen son--Satan or Lucifer. All the Cathars held that the mutual hostility of the realms of matter and spirit allowed for no intermingling. They therefore denied the bodily incarnation of Christ (asserting that his body was a spiritual one, which had only the appearance of physicality) and the resurrection of the flesh. They saw a reflection of their dualism in the division of the Holy Scriptures into Old and New Testaments. They identified the God of the Old Testament, the creator of the physical world, with the evil God or with Lucifer. They professed the New Testament as the teaching of the good God.

"...The Cathars did not believe that God had created the world from nothing; they held that matter was eternal and that the world would have no end. So far as people were concerned, they considered their bodies to be the creation of the evil force. Their souls, though, did not have a single source. The souls of the majority of men, just like their bodies, were begotten by evil--such people had no hope for salvation and were doomed to perish when the entire material world returned to a state of primeval chaos...."

Does this sound like you? Can you tell me how your beliefs vary from these beliefs?

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

First, you have to recognize that our myths, that are full of the supernatural, were created to put against the Christian myth that is also full the supernatural.

Second, you have to recognize that Gnostic Christians do not believe in the supernatural. Like Karaite Jews, we put man above God because we recognize that all the Gods are man made.

We follow the esoteric and mystical Jesus of scripture. Not the Roman ass kisser that Rome invented.


Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.



Regards
DL

I recognize agnostics as socialists; as vile creatures who have Darwinized themselves out of existence; as reprehensible human beings whose only purpose on this planet was to serve as an example of what not to be.

 

[kjw47]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

blind hearted mortals choose to serve satan over god to please their flesh. They deserve him.

More like to protect their flesh.

Have you counted the many murders attributed to God and how few are attributed to Satan?

Which one would you prefer to meet?

If you are going to reply, tell us what it is you adore about your genocidal on murdering God.

Regards
DL

God protecting the righteous, rids the world of the wicked---very wise indeed. Satans LIE caused every death.

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

Wow! A sound bite with no origin.

Thanks for the argument against the premise. Oh wait.

Do you know what adlib means?

Regards
DL

I Googled it...no source; just made up, anti-religion butt hurt.

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

Wow! A sound bite with no origin.

Thank you. You're right. G-d never said that. I was wondering when someone would get around to informing the "uniformed."

I used the word adlib for what put.

What do you think God said when giving us Satan?

Or are you just using fixating on my wording so that you do not need to show that you cannot argue for what God did?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why would an all knowing God test us when he already knows the outcome of the test?

Based on this logic, you might as well ask why He created the universe, right? I mean after all He already knows the outcome, right?

I can only assume He does so because it is His Nature to do so. But you don't believe in God, so why would you even ask this question? In fact, what is more ridiculous and all knowing God who knows the outcome and still chooses to create beings that know and create so that they may progress in virtue and validate His goodness or a jack-a-nape who does not believe in God, yet visits religious forums to validate his non-belief?

So only believers should question. Ok.

Thanks for your argument.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

No.

It was the Christians who initiated the reprehensible Inquisition and ended the free thinking and brought on the Dark Age of Christianity.

Seems you are maintaining their old barbaric and anti-freedom of thought stance.

You might want to grow up and start loving your fellow man instead of hating him.

Regards
DL

.

Or maybe I understand the history better than you do.

Or maybe you don't.

That get my vote.

Regards
DL

But I do know your kind.

"...Shafarevich points out with great precision both the cause and the genesis of the first socialist doctrines, which he characterizes as reactions: Plato as a reaction to Greek culture, and the Gnostics as a reaction to Christianity. They sought to counteract the endeavor of the human spirit to stand erect, and strove to return to the earthbound existence of the primitive states of antiquity. The author also convincingly demonstrates the diametrical opposition between the concepts of man held by religion and by socialism. Socialism seeks to reduce human personality to its most primitive levels and to extinguish the highest, most complex, and "God-like" aspects of human individuality. And even equality itself, that powerful appeal and great promise of socialists throughout the ages, turns out to signify not equality of rights, of opportunities, and of external conditions, but equality qua identity, equality seen as the movement of variety toward uniformity..."

"...Beginning with the Middle Ages and the Reformation, doctrines of chiliastic socialism in Western Europe appeared under religious guise. As varied as they were, all these doctrines had in common a characteristic trait--the rejection of numerous aspects of the teachings of the Catholic Church and a fierce hatred for the Church itself..."

"...The movement of the Cathars (Greek for "the pure") spread in Western and Central Europe in the eleventh century. It seems to have originated in the East, arriving from Bulgaria, the home of Bogomil heresy in the preceding century. The ultimate origins of both, however, are more ancient...."

"...The so-called dualistic Cathars believed this to be caused by the existence of two Gods--one good, the other evil. It was the God of evil who had created the physical world--the earth with everything that grows upon it, the sky, the sun and the stars, and human bodies as well. The good God, on the other hand, was seen as the creator of the spiritual world, in which there is another, spiritual sky, other stars and another sun. Other Cathars, called monarchian Cathars, believed in one beneficent God, the creator of the universe, but assumed that the physical world was the creation of his eldest, fallen son--Satan or Lucifer. All the Cathars held that the mutual hostility of the realms of matter and spirit allowed for no intermingling. They therefore denied the bodily incarnation of Christ (asserting that his body was a spiritual one, which had only the appearance of physicality) and the resurrection of the flesh. They saw a reflection of their dualism in the division of the Holy Scriptures into Old and New Testaments. They identified the God of the Old Testament, the creator of the physical world, with the evil God or with Lucifer. They professed the New Testament as the teaching of the good God.

"...The Cathars did not believe that God had created the world from nothing; they held that matter was eternal and that the world would have no end. So far as people were concerned, they considered their bodies to be the creation of the evil force. Their souls, though, did not have a single source. The souls of the majority of men, just like their bodies, were begotten by evil--such people had no hope for salvation and were doomed to perish when the entire material world returned to a state of primeval chaos...."

Does this sound like you? Can you tell me how your beliefs vary from these beliefs?

The Socialist Phenomenon by Igor Shafarevich

First, you have to recognize that our myths, that are full of the supernatural, were created to put against the Christian myth that is also full the supernatural.

Second, you have to recognize that Gnostic Christians do not believe in the supernatural. Like Karaite Jews, we put man above God because we recognize that all the Gods are man made.

We follow the esoteric and mystical Jesus of scripture. Not the Roman ass kisser that Rome invented.


Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.



Regards
DL

I recognize agnostics as socialists; as vile creatures who have Darwinized themselves out of existence; as reprehensible human beings whose only purpose on this planet was to serve as an example of what not to be.

Just like Yahweh.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

Yet Christians adore that genocidal son murderer.

Way to go Christians.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?


God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.


He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.


Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?


Regards

DL

blind hearted mortals choose to serve satan over god to please their flesh. They deserve him.

More like to protect their flesh.

Have you counted the many murders attributed to God and how few are attributed to Satan?

Which one would you prefer to meet?

If you are going to reply, tell us what it is you adore about your genocidal on murdering God.

Regards
DL

God protecting the righteous, rids the world of the wicked---very wise indeed. Satans LIE caused every death.

So now you have Satan controlling death and not God.

Where have all the decent apologists gone?

Regards
DL