Why Bush won

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    Here it is, from the braintrust known as DU:

    1) Karl Rove cheating (to them this is synonymous with strategy)
    2) Jeb of course
    3) Diebold vote rigging
    4) Lies told by "President Stupid"
    4.5) Fearmongering by "President Stupid"
    5) Ignorant Americans
    6) Kerry conceding before "couting EVERY vote" - this includes invalid provisionals I assume, not military though
    7) Evangelicals
    8( Greedy ignorant Americans
    9) Kerry pandering/waffling (yes - some recognized it)
    10) Platform not liberal enough (related to pandering)
    11) Even more stupid Americans
    12) Racists, homophobes and bigots (should probably be higher in my list but too hard to renumber)

    I never foiund one blaming space aliens but I'm sure there must be one in there somewhere.

    Please add to this list if you find any other good ones
     
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    Corporate manipulation
     
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    Skull and Bones (not sure how they blame the mysterious Yale fraternity, but it is there....may as well be aliens!)
     
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    Why Bush won:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/opinion/03kris.html?incamp=article_popular_1

    One of the Republican Party's major successes over the last few decades has been to persuade many of the working poor to vote for tax breaks for billionaires. Democrats are still effective on bread-and-butter issues like health care, but they come across in much of America as arrogant and out of touch the moment the discussion shifts to values.

    "On values, they are really noncompetitive in the heartland," noted Mike Johanns, a Republican who is governor of Nebraska. "This kind of elitist, Eastern approach to the party is just devastating in the Midwest and Western states. It's very difficult for senatorial, Congressional and even local candidates to survive."

    n the summer, I was home - too briefly - in Yamhill, Ore., a rural, working-class area where most people would benefit from Democratic policies on taxes and health care. But many of those people disdain Democrats as elitists who empathize with spotted owls rather than loggers.

    One problem is the yuppification of the Democratic Party. Thomas Frank, author of the best political book of the year, "What's the Matter With Kansas: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America," says that Democratic leaders have been so eager to win over suburban professionals that they have lost touch with blue-collar America.

    "There is a very upper-middle-class flavor to liberalism, and that's just bound to rub average people the wrong way," Mr. Frank said. He notes that Republicans have used "culturally powerful but content-free issues" to connect to ordinary voters.

    To put it another way, Democrats peddle issues, and Republicans sell values. Consider the four G's: God, guns, gays and grizzlies.

    "The Republicans are smarter," mused Oregon's governor, Ted Kulongoski, a Democrat. "They've created ... these social issues to get the public to stop looking at what's happening to them economically."

    "What we once thought - that people would vote in their economic self-interest - is not true, and we Democrats haven't figured out how to deal with that."

    Otherwise, the Democratic Party's efforts to improve the lives of working-class Americans in the long run will be blocked by the very people the Democrats aim to help.
     
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    If the middle class weren't so stupid they would vote democratic ????? That's why the dems lose---they know thay the dems "aim" sucks !
     
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    You don't get it. You have lived a sheltered life and you do not have a clue what it is like to start or run a small business.

    I am FAR from being a billionaire and the tax cuts helped me and my business. So get a clue would ya?
     
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    Marx.. The Times is the most left wing, elitist, marginally American, paper in the country.. I read it online most everyday...Especially the op-eds.. to see what the wack job left is thinking.. Just love Maggie Dowd, Kristof, Friedman, Krugman the lunatic, Bob Herbert, etal...Good to read what the enemy thinks.. I just refer to the Times as The American Pravda... You remember Pravda right? The party paper of the Soviet Union....
     
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    I helped start a house painting job-quote refferal service with 3 recent graduates in East Providence.

    I am FAR from being a billionaire and an economy that is sputtering to come out of a recession (and coming out of it at a pace 1/10 of how this country rebounds historically) isn't conducive to people putting a new coat of paint on their house at the top of their priorities right now. Bush stuffed $1,600 in people's pockets which they're spending on their skyrocketing insurance premiums or to put their children in private schools. Every single public school (ALL OF THEM) in Providence are considered "failing schools". You cannot put your child in a school that isn't failing if you live in Providence. That means something to a lot of people. Not the president. He'd rather give you tax cuts DURING A WAR.
     
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    As I pointed out to you before, and you ignored, EVERY TIME IN HISTORY that taxes have been cut, the GOVUMENT has INCREASED revenues. Therefore, based on that history, it was WISE to cut taxes during war. It helped INCREASE revenues and therefore, helped offset the cost of the war.
     
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    The Times slants left, but its sad to read every single article assuming it was written that way. I bet you love Safire. Why? Because he agrees with you. Liberals have intelligent things to say too, pal.

    And please..please..PLEASE for the love of God stop starting a sentence in the title and finishing it in the message body. Its reaaaallly agravating and makes it exceeeedingly annoying to quote you correctly.
     

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