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Why did Cheney order NORAD to stand down?Wrong.People in Iraq and Afghanistan have absolutely no potential to truly harm the US.
'The plane is ten miles out. Do the orders still stand?'
Moron.Why did Cheney order NORAD to stand down?Wrong.People in Iraq and Afghanistan have absolutely no potential to truly harm the US.
'The plane is ten miles out. Do the orders still stand?'
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It's been explained countless times, moron. But the answer doesn't blame Bush, so you have your little panties in a bunch.daveman said:Hi, you have received -163 reputation points from daveman.
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So... you can't explain building seven, coward?
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Putting on a uniform doesn't suddenly make a man a devil or a saint. Honour and dishonour come with a man's own actions and character, not from the clothes he wears.
Some bring honour to their uniforms and some brings dishonour and infamy.
But this thread will be deleted just like the last time I pointed this out- god forbid we put away the broad brushes and judge men as individuals...
I really, really dislike Memorial Day. Not because I hate the military (not true), nor because I don't think soldiers can't be heroes (also not true), but because I hate the spewing of jingoistic "all soldiers are heroes and they protect our freedom," by all parts of the political spectrum. Now, I want to make it clear that I do not believe soldiers can't be heroes; for example, I consider JFK to be one of the greatest men this country has seen, partly because of his actions in the military. What I am asking, is why all soldiers are automatically heroes? They certainly don't all earn it (US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies' | World news | The Guardiran). And don't say it is because they are protecting our freedom, because frankly, they aren't right now. There were wars where they were, but our current conflicts are not intended to protect us.
Real men don't throw tantrums.
Explain building 7
As a former protest organizer I can attest that the kind of demonstrations which focused angry criticism on military personnel represented a very small percentage of the protest movement. And, as I've already mentioned, that kind of conduct occurred in response to such events as the My Lai massacre and other atrocites that reached the public's attention. The vast majority of protests consisted of letter-writing campaigns, visits to congressional offices, sit-ins and other peaceful demonstrations -- which received little to no media coverage.Just one more thing; we fought a war in Vietnam, and then we fought a longer and harder war when we got home. No group of American soldiers has ever been quite so despised; spat on, cursed, treated like lepers, as Vietnam vets. I have to believe, that most Americans, with the passage of time, have come to realize how wrong that was, and if that means that no American service man or woman will come home to that sort of reception ever again, well, then in my book, it was worth that too.
I really, really dislike Memorial Day. Not because I hate the military (not true), nor because I don't think soldiers can't be heroes (also not true), but because I hate the spewing of jingoistic "all soldiers are heroes and they protect our freedom," by all parts of the political spectrum. Now, I want to make it clear that I do not believe soldiers can't be heroes; for example, I consider JFK to be one of the greatest men this country has seen, partly because of his actions in the military. What I am asking, is why all soldiers are automatically heroes? They certainly don't all earn it (US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies' | World news | The Guardiran). And don't say it is because they are protecting our freedom, because frankly, they aren't right now. There were wars where they were, but our current conflicts are not intended to protect us.
Wow, talk about a fucking asshole! If you have to even ask it tells me all I want to know about you. Those who enlist lay their lives on the line for strangers, some who don't deserve it LIKE YOU; to ensure you have the freedom to trash their very service without threat... You can simply thank them. Nothing more heroic than to risk your life for a stranger.
daveman said:Wrong.
I really, really dislike Memorial Day. Not because I hate the military (not true), nor because I don't think soldiers can't be heroes (also not true), but because I hate the spewing of jingoistic "all soldiers are heroes and they protect our freedom," by all parts of the political spectrum. Now, I want to make it clear that I do not believe soldiers can't be heroes; for example, I consider JFK to be one of the greatest men this country has seen, partly because of his actions in the military. What I am asking, is why all soldiers are automatically heroes? They certainly don't all earn it (US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies' | World news | The Guardiran). And don't say it is because they are protecting our freedom, because frankly, they aren't right now. There were wars where they were, but our current conflicts are not intended to protect us.
Wow, talk about a fucking asshole! If you have to even ask it tells me all I want to know about you. Those who enlist lay their lives on the line for strangers, some who don't deserve it LIKE YOU; to ensure you have the freedom to trash their very service without threat... You can simply thank them. Nothing more heroic than to risk your life for a stranger.
No current member of the military has protected my freedom. I just want to clear that up. That isn't to say the military hasn't protected my freedom in the past, nor does it mean the military won't protect it in the future.
By your logic, a hero is somebody who risks their lives for somebody else. That means that every single president, doctor, sewage worker, scientist, etc. is a hero. I will support memorial when he have days honoring every person who puts his life on the line for someone else.
A hero isn't someone who gets payed to put their life on the line; it's somebody who goes above and beyond their position and station in life to help the lives of others. There are many members of the military who have done this, but they aren't all heros.
daveman said:Wrong.
1: 9/11 did not hurt America as a whole. Sorry, but that's the truth. 3000 people is not a significant chunk.
2: Iraq and Afghanistan didn't attack us. Al' Qaeda did. Know your facts please.
Wow, talk about a fucking asshole! If you have to even ask it tells me all I want to know about you. Those who enlist lay their lives on the line for strangers, some who don't deserve it LIKE YOU; to ensure you have the freedom to trash their very service without threat... You can simply thank them. Nothing more heroic than to risk your life for a stranger.
No current member of the military has protected my freedom. I just want to clear that up. That isn't to say the military hasn't protected my freedom in the past, nor does it mean the military won't protect it in the future.
By your logic, a hero is somebody who risks their lives for somebody else. That means that every single president, doctor, sewage worker, scientist, etc. is a hero. I will support memorial when he have days honoring every person who puts his life on the line for someone else.
A hero isn't someone who gets payed to put their life on the line; it's somebody who goes above and beyond their position and station in life to help the lives of others. There are many members of the military who have done this, but they aren't all heros.
daveman said:Wrong.
1: 9/11 did not hurt America as a whole. Sorry, but that's the truth. 3000 people is not a significant chunk.
2: Iraq and Afghanistan didn't attack us. Al' Qaeda did. Know your facts please.
You are an idiot. Stop and think about it. If our military were not there, if they were not strong, how long would your rights last?
I really, really dislike Memorial Day. Not because I hate the military (not true), nor because I don't think soldiers can't be heroes (also not true), but because I hate the spewing of jingoistic "all soldiers are heroes and they protect our freedom," by all parts of the political spectrum. Now, I want to make it clear that I do not believe soldiers can't be heroes; for example, I consider JFK to be one of the greatest men this country has seen, partly because of his actions in the military. What I am asking, is why all soldiers are automatically heroes? They certainly don't all earn it (US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies' | World news | The Guardiran). And don't say it is because they are protecting our freedom, because frankly, they aren't right now. There were wars where they were, but our current conflicts are not intended to protect us.
Wow, talk about a fucking asshole! If you have to even ask it tells me all I want to know about you. Those who enlist lay their lives on the line for strangers, some who don't deserve it LIKE YOU; to ensure you have the freedom to trash their very service without threat... You can simply thank them. Nothing more heroic than to risk your life for a stranger.
No current member of the military has protected my freedom. I just want to clear that up. That isn't to say the military hasn't protected my freedom in the past, nor does it mean the military won't protect it in the future.
By your logic, a hero is somebody who risks their lives for somebody else. That means that every single president, doctor, sewage worker, scientist, etc. is a hero. I will support memorial when he have days honoring every person who puts his life on the line for someone else.
A hero isn't someone who gets payed to put their life on the line; it's somebody who goes above and beyond their position and station in life to help the lives of others. There are many members of the military who have done this, but they aren't all heros.
daveman said:Wrong.
1: 9/11 did not hurt America as a whole. Sorry, but that's the truth. 3000 people is not a significant chunk.
2: Iraq and Afghanistan didn't attack us. Al' Qaeda did. Know your facts please.
No current member of the military has protected my freedom. I just want to clear that up. That isn't to say the military hasn't protected my freedom in the past, nor does it mean the military won't protect it in the future.
By your logic, a hero is somebody who risks their lives for somebody else. That means that every single president, doctor, sewage worker, scientist, etc. is a hero. I will support memorial when he have days honoring every person who puts his life on the line for someone else.
A hero isn't someone who gets payed to put their life on the line; it's somebody who goes above and beyond their position and station in life to help the lives of others. There are many members of the military who have done this, but they aren't all heros.
1: 9/11 did not hurt America as a whole. Sorry, but that's the truth. 3000 people is not a significant chunk.
2: Iraq and Afghanistan didn't attack us. Al' Qaeda did. Know your facts please.
You are an idiot. Stop and think about it. If our military were not there, if they were not strong, how long would your rights last?
Uhhh, I'm pretty sure neither Iraq nor Afghanistan really cared about taking my rights away. I've thought about it quite a bit, actually. Two small countries in the Middle East have no chance against a world superpower. There is no way they could take away our rights.
9/11 did not hurt America. Period. 3000 dead people is a tragedy, but it is hardly a blow to a country of billions. I realize that this sounds callous, but it is true. 9/11 was an awful moment in American history, but its actual effect on our economy, etc. was nonexistent.Wow, talk about a fucking asshole! If you have to even ask it tells me all I want to know about you. Those who enlist lay their lives on the line for strangers, some who don't deserve it LIKE YOU; to ensure you have the freedom to trash their very service without threat... You can simply thank them. Nothing more heroic than to risk your life for a stranger.
No current member of the military has protected my freedom. I just want to clear that up. That isn't to say the military hasn't protected my freedom in the past, nor does it mean the military won't protect it in the future.
By your logic, a hero is somebody who risks their lives for somebody else. That means that every single president, doctor, sewage worker, scientist, etc. is a hero. I will support memorial when he have days honoring every person who puts his life on the line for someone else.
A hero isn't someone who gets payed to put their life on the line; it's somebody who goes above and beyond their position and station in life to help the lives of others. There are many members of the military who have done this, but they aren't all heros.
daveman said:Wrong.
1: 9/11 did not hurt America as a whole. Sorry, but that's the truth. 3000 people is not a significant chunk.
2: Iraq and Afghanistan didn't attack us. Al' Qaeda did. Know your facts please.
This shit along with your other BS leads me to believe you're not an American.. who the fuck thinks this way but terrorists??
9/11 did not hurt America. Period. 3000 dead people is a tragedy, but it is hardly a blow to a country of billions. I realize that this sounds callous, but it is true. 9/11 was an awful moment in American history, but its actual effect on our economy, etc. was nonexistent.No current member of the military has protected my freedom. I just want to clear that up. That isn't to say the military hasn't protected my freedom in the past, nor does it mean the military won't protect it in the future.
By your logic, a hero is somebody who risks their lives for somebody else. That means that every single president, doctor, sewage worker, scientist, etc. is a hero. I will support memorial when he have days honoring every person who puts his life on the line for someone else.
A hero isn't someone who gets payed to put their life on the line; it's somebody who goes above and beyond their position and station in life to help the lives of others. There are many members of the military who have done this, but they aren't all heros.
1: 9/11 did not hurt America as a whole. Sorry, but that's the truth. 3000 people is not a significant chunk.
2: Iraq and Afghanistan didn't attack us. Al' Qaeda did. Know your facts please.
This shit along with your other BS leads me to believe you're not an American.. who the fuck thinks this way but terrorists??
I will try one more time.
Even if there were no conflicts that our troops were involved in, they would still be wearing the uniform and training and being strong and preventing any one from taking your freedoms from you.
Do you think we would be free today if we had a weak military? I'm not talking about Afghanistan or today's Iraq. When we first went up against Iraq they had the fourth largest Military in the world. Think about it.
Without a strong military we better start learning some other languages.... Russian? Chinese? Mexican? Farsi? Without our military any scenario could be possible.