Why am I a liberal?

[CrusaderFrank]

Dems need poverty to maximize the people they can enslave to the government

 

[GoneBezerk]

Oh, you're a comedian.

FYI...I chose my moniker as a joke, asswipe, but you played right into it.

I believe your little thread here proves you are an insane piece of shit that should be locked up.

I think GreatDay is trying to kick some liberals here out of the dumbest idiot on the internet seat.

There are three kinds of people in the world; those that are dumb as dirt, lairs, and liberals which one are you? gone bezerk opps I thinkl I got my answer....

 

[Sinjorri]

Sounds like someone got cut out of the will.

If you must know as a child I was blessed to play with children who lived on dirt floors with no indoor pluming and also with those that had wine cellars and pictures of Presidents on their desks. It gave me a certain perspective on life that I don’t feel many have had the opportunity to develop.

the liberal way of saying "aaahhhhh i am better than you" lovely that you have to point out how you have a better perspective but i am reading you sling around insults and showing your tolerant side. Another reason people are done with liberals.

 

[P@triot]

As a young man in college I was not always the most diligent student. One weekend, near the end of term, was particularly eventful and I found myself on Monday morning sitting, looking at a Dynamics final and no memory of any of the fine formulas we had studied that semester. Then I remembered F=ma. From that kernel I was able to derive all of the formulas I needed and ended up doing pretty well. More importantly, I realized the importance of fundamental concepts; I found that if one has a good understanding of core principles the smaller details are easier to work out. This led me a few years ago to ask myself, aside from the individual policies which align my thinking with “liberals”; why am I a liberal?

After some consideration I arrived on four succinct statements, which I believe also gave me some insight to what motivates the “other” side.

I am a parent.
As a parent I will do anything within my power to advantage my child.
I am a citizen.
As a citizen I believe it is vitally important that we write rules that prevent that.

It is only natural that parents do all they can for their children, however as wealth accumulates this presents a threat to democracy. This is the threat that concerned Jefferson when he spoke of the need for inheritance taxes, not as a form of revenue but a means to protect the democracy from citizens that might become too powerful, and then threaten the will of the people. It is easy to see how this has become the case in America today.

The dangers of inherited wealth to our economy are not unlike monarchy to the health of any nation, when power is derived from birthright rather than one’s labor it is more often foolishly applied. As more and more of our economy becomes “inherited wealth” it becomes more of a target for con men and less a tool for innovators. The world’s financial power has been diverted from improving the human condition into money making schemes designed to enrich those who create them.

I do have some specific suggestions that I feel would be helpful long term:

Public financing for public elections
Flat rate Social Security Tax, first dollar to last all forms of income
Index minimum wage to the average increase in CEO pay for the S&P 500

That’s about it, that shouldn’t be too hard to do, right?

Why are you liberal? In simplest terms, because you are an idiot.

To expand further, history has shown us that everything your ideology stands for (big government, control of people, redistribution of wealth, etc.) ends with epic failure and poverty. But liberals are too stupid to even look at history, much less learn from it.

 

[P@triot]

Dems need poverty to maximize the people they can enslave to the government

Amem CF! Poverty is the idiot liberal Dumbocrats best friend. First, it enslaves people. Second, it makes Dumbocrats feel "equal" to others (the idiot liberal Dumbocrat has an insanve envy gene and some serious internal issues).

 

[GoneBezerk]

Socialists/Communists know they have to be subtle about stealing from everyone and enslaving everyone, so they play up the poor could use "some more" money from those filthy rich people. Everyone will be so much better off if we could just "spread the wealth."

Obamination's drunk womanizing whore daddy said to tax people up to 100% if that is required, pretty much take everything from everyone then give it back in pieces to them trying to fool them.

 

[Liability]

Why am I a liberal?

An inability to think rationally is the biggest cause.

 

[gallantwarrior]

This is the threat that concerned Jefferson when he spoke of the need for inheritance taxes, not as a form of revenue but a means to protect the democracy from citizens that might become too powerful, and then threaten the will of the people.

For one, others have debunked the idea that Jefferson wanted to end inheritance.

Second, the entire premise of your thoughts, which i applaud you for detailing, is based on people gaining too much power via their wealth. I would offer two counters.

1. If someone was to inherit a large amount of money, he/she can only really have power by spending that money in some way. They would need to have the resources, the knowledge or the help to put that money to good use and keep making money rather than just wasting it. After all, it is possible for people to make millions and have nothing just a couple years later. Plenty of athletes can act as perfect exhibits for this.

2. Clearly your concern here is the money corrupts. So your solution is to give it to the government which is not corrupt? In your estimation, has the government done a good job handling the nation's money, being $15+ trillion in debt? Why does the government thus get to decide what to do with that money? And why should we assume that the government has a noble cause or even the ability to put it to good use? Wouldn't that money be better spent by the heir perhaps starting his/her own company that employs people and creates some good or service beneficial to society?

You seem a little all over the place, but let me address just one of the things you said, the thing is the government already spent the money they already to decide to support the troops and other thing the question now is what is the fair way to pay the bill, as we all know we have kept taxes low so the economy would not be hurt by the war spending and what not, and we all know that the wealth has accumulated in the top 1% so why shouldn't they pay the bill? I'm even willing to wait till they die, if we can wait that long, but to ask those who have not seen their income rise as a result of these low taxes would of course be grossly unfair.

Oh and here's the Jefferson stuff in case you have been misled indeed he did feel the tax was needed to protect the state.

The Jeffersonian Cyclopedia: A Comprehensive Collection of the Views of ... - Thomas Jefferson - Google Books

LIFE is not fair. The sooner liberals understand that, the better off all of us will be. The Founders did their damnedest to set up a country where the greatest majority would have a fair chance to make their own fortunes. They did not intend to make all outcomes equal and 'fair'. Oh, you have still not explained how it's fair to rob someone of their wealth in order to hand it over to someone else who has no right at all to it.

 

[regent]

As I read American history I have the feeling that while money was of great importance to the founders, the future of America was almost of equal importance. The leaders of early America built for the future and had some pretty great visions of that future; today as I read some of these posts, it all seems to be about money, with few other visions.

the founders were wealthy men that went poor to build this country, money was the means and sacrifice for what we have today, the libs just seem to hate everything about this country and to msot of them this country cant do enough for them until its bankrupt and ruined. Sorry thats how i feel and thats what ive seen from them.

"For the framers of the Constitution were the most liberal thinkers of all the ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is it not now surpassed in liberal thought."
General Douglas Mac Arthur

 

[GreatDay]

For one, others have debunked the idea that Jefferson wanted to end inheritance.

Second, the entire premise of your thoughts, which i applaud you for detailing, is based on people gaining too much power via their wealth. I would offer two counters.

1. If someone was to inherit a large amount of money, he/she can only really have power by spending that money in some way. They would need to have the resources, the knowledge or the help to put that money to good use and keep making money rather than just wasting it. After all, it is possible for people to make millions and have nothing just a couple years later. Plenty of athletes can act as perfect exhibits for this.

2. Clearly your concern here is the money corrupts. So your solution is to give it to the government which is not corrupt? In your estimation, has the government done a good job handling the nation's money, being $15+ trillion in debt? Why does the government thus get to decide what to do with that money? And why should we assume that the government has a noble cause or even the ability to put it to good use? Wouldn't that money be better spent by the heir perhaps starting his/her own company that employs people and creates some good or service beneficial to society?

You seem a little all over the place, but let me address just one of the things you said, the thing is the government already spent the money they already to decide to support the troops and other thing the question now is what is the fair way to pay the bill, as we all know we have kept taxes low so the economy would not be hurt by the war spending and what not, and we all know that the wealth has accumulated in the top 1% so why shouldn't they pay the bill? I'm even willing to wait till they die, if we can wait that long, but to ask those who have not seen their income rise as a result of these low taxes would of course be grossly unfair.

Oh and here's the Jefferson stuff in case you have been misled indeed he did feel the tax was needed to protect the state.

The Jeffersonian Cyclopedia: A Comprehensive Collection of the Views of ... - Thomas Jefferson - Google Books

LIFE is not fair. The sooner liberals understand that, the better off all of us will be. The Founders did their damnedest to set up a country where the greatest majority would have a fair chance to make their own fortunes. They did not intend to make all outcomes equal and 'fair'. Oh, you have still not explained how it's fair to rob someone of their wealth in order to hand it over to someone else who has no right at all to it.

Where do I talk about "fair" some say it's not fair to take the rich kids money, but guess what life ain't fair, daddy should of thought about that before he wrote those campaign contribution checks, maybe he should have only given to those that refused to cut taxes when the country was in debt.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

As a young man in college I was not always the most diligent student. One weekend, near the end of term, was particularly eventful and I found myself on Monday morning sitting, looking at a Dynamics final and no memory of any of the fine formulas we had studied that semester. Then I remembered F=ma. From that kernel I was able to derive all of the formulas I needed and ended up doing pretty well. More importantly, I realized the importance of fundamental concepts; I found that if one has a good understanding of core principles the smaller details are easier to work out. This led me a few years ago to ask myself, aside from the individual policies which align my thinking with “liberals”; why am I a liberal?

After some consideration I arrived on four succinct statements, which I believe also gave me some insight to what motivates the “other” side.

I am a parent.
As a parent I will do anything within my power to advantage my child.
I am a citizen.
As a citizen I believe it is vitally important that we write rules that prevent that.

It is only natural that parents do all they can for their children, however as wealth accumulates this presents a threat to democracy. This is the threat that concerned Jefferson when he spoke of the need for inheritance taxes, not as a form of revenue but a means to protect the democracy from citizens that might become too powerful, and then threaten the will of the people. It is easy to see how this has become the case in America today.

The dangers of inherited wealth to our economy are not unlike monarchy to the health of any nation, when power is derived from birthright rather than one’s labor it is more often foolishly applied. As more and more of our economy becomes “inherited wealth” it becomes more of a target for con men and less a tool for innovators. The world’s financial power has been diverted from improving the human condition into money making schemes designed to enrich those who create them.

I do have some specific suggestions that I feel would be helpful long term:

Public financing for public elections
Flat rate Social Security Tax, first dollar to last all forms of income
Index minimum wage to the average increase in CEO pay for the S&P 500

That’s about it, that shouldn’t be too hard to do, right?

Why are you liberal? In simplest terms, because you are an idiot.

To expand further, history has shown us that everything your ideology stands for (big government, control of people, redistribution of wealth, etc.) ends with epic failure and poverty. But liberals are too stupid to even look at history, much less learn from it.

That covers all the bases.

They're espousing a political and economic philosophy with a guaranteed 100% Fail rate and we have Greece, Spain and Italy melting down right in front of us as Libs are telling us that's the economic system we need to adopt.

 

[bripat9643]

Why am I a liberal?

Because you're a stupid, dishonest hypocrite.

Talk about jumping to conclusions, are there nothing but iditots on this site? All you can do is hurl insults? So you think con men aren't running the game? Talk about stupid!!!

Yes, con artists are running the game. We call these people "liberals."

 

[GreatDay]

I see the site is filled with deep thinkers, I don't know how to respond, no really, WTF???

Just why do you think YOU are entitled to the fruits of MY labor?

Even you can't take it with you, leaving money to them that ain't earned it hurts America, I know as parents we would do it anyway, that's why we need laws, to make America and Americans strong not weak assed Royals.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

As a young man in college I was not always the most diligent student. One weekend, near the end of term, was particularly eventful and I found myself on Monday morning sitting, looking at a Dynamics final and no memory of any of the fine formulas we had studied that semester. Then I remembered F=ma. From that kernel I was able to derive all of the formulas I needed and ended up doing pretty well. More importantly, I realized the importance of fundamental concepts; I found that if one has a good understanding of core principles the smaller details are easier to work out. This led me a few years ago to ask myself, aside from the individual policies which align my thinking with “liberals”; why am I a liberal?

After some consideration I arrived on four succinct statements, which I believe also gave me some insight to what motivates the “other” side.

I am a parent.
As a parent I will do anything within my power to advantage my child.
I am a citizen.
As a citizen I believe it is vitally important that we write rules that prevent that.

It is only natural that parents do all they can for their children, however as wealth accumulates this presents a threat to democracy. This is the threat that concerned Jefferson when he spoke of the need for inheritance taxes, not as a form of revenue but a means to protect the democracy from citizens that might become too powerful, and then threaten the will of the people. It is easy to see how this has become the case in America today.

The dangers of inherited wealth to our economy are not unlike monarchy to the health of any nation, when power is derived from birthright rather than one’s labor it is more often foolishly applied. As more and more of our economy becomes “inherited wealth” it becomes more of a target for con men and less a tool for innovators. The world’s financial power has been diverted from improving the human condition into money making schemes designed to enrich those who create them.

I do have some specific suggestions that I feel would be helpful long term:

Public financing for public elections
Flat rate Social Security Tax, first dollar to last all forms of income
Index minimum wage to the average increase in CEO pay for the S&P 500

That’s about it, that shouldn’t be too hard to do, right?

Not bad.

One of mine is free airtime for all qualified candidates.

They get so much time and then have to use it by standing in front of the camera and telling you their platform.

No buying of airtime for anyone

Of course, leave all political speech to the unbiased mainstream media.



You're such an abject retard.

 

[miami_thomas]

You seem a little all over the place, but let me address just one of the things you said, the thing is the government already spent the money they already to decide to support the troops and other thing the question now is what is the fair way to pay the bill, as we all know we have kept taxes low so the economy would not be hurt by the war spending and what not, and we all know that the wealth has accumulated in the top 1% so why shouldn't they pay the bill? I'm even willing to wait till they die, if we can wait that long, but to ask those who have not seen their income rise as a result of these low taxes would of course be grossly unfair.

Oh and here's the Jefferson stuff in case you have been misled indeed he did feel the tax was needed to protect the state.

The Jeffersonian Cyclopedia: A Comprehensive Collection of the Views of ... - Thomas Jefferson - Google Books

LIFE is not fair. The sooner liberals understand that, the better off all of us will be. The Founders did their damnedest to set up a country where the greatest majority would have a fair chance to make their own fortunes. They did not intend to make all outcomes equal and 'fair'. Oh, you have still not explained how it's fair to rob someone of their wealth in order to hand it over to someone else who has no right at all to it.

Where do I talk about "fair" some say it's not fair to take the rich kids money, but guess what life ain't fair, daddy should of thought about that before he wrote those campaign contribution checks, maybe he should have only given to those that refused to cut taxes when the country was in debt.

Yea because that was the problem. There is a fixed amount of money and you can always just tax more to make up the difference no matter how much you spend.

 

[miami_thomas]

I see the site is filled with deep thinkers, I don't know how to respond, no really, WTF???

Just why do you think YOU are entitled to the fruits of MY labor?

Even you can't take it with you, leaving money to them that ain't earned it hurts America, I know as parents we would do it anyway, that's why we need laws, to make America and Americans strong not weak assed Royals.

So what you are saying is someone that has made it successful upon death owe you money?

 

[gallantwarrior]

I see the site is filled with deep thinkers, I don't know how to respond, no really, WTF???

Just why do you think YOU are entitled to the fruits of MY labor?

Even you can't take it with you, leaving money to them that ain't earned it hurts America, I know as parents we would do it anyway, that's why we need laws, to make America and Americans strong not weak assed Royals.

And yet you are advocating that whatever wealth a person may have accumulated be passed on to government. A government that certainly did not earn that wealth. Again, you have failed to explain the benefits of robbing someone to support a bloated and unwieldy government run by corrupted individuals whose only interest is enriching themselves.

 

[GreatDay]

Just why do you think YOU are entitled to the fruits of MY labor?

Even you can't take it with you, leaving money to them that ain't earned it hurts America, I know as parents we would do it anyway, that's why we need laws, to make America and Americans strong not weak assed Royals.

And yet you are advocating that whatever wealth a person may have accumulated be passed on to government. A government that certainly did not earn that wealth. Again, you have failed to explain the benefits of robbing someone to support a bloated and unwieldy government run by corrupted individuals whose only interest is enriching themselves.

In a democracy the government is what you make it, sorry to hear that your opinion of Americans is so low.

That being said, the money I’m talking about has already been spent, we got a 15 trillion dollar debt, can’t expect people who got nothing from the tax cuts but low wages to pay the bill. How we fund stuff going forward, maybe we will do better if the people paying to send people to Washington know that they are not going to be allowed to steal from the retirement to pay their credit card bills.

 

[GreatDay]

In the modern era, Democrat Presidents are either One Termers or Impeached.

Let's see Clinton left office at what 70% approval and the Republican congress is at 9% I guess we all know how that turned out or put another way:


Saturday Night Live - Clinton on Republicans Cold Open - Video - NBC.com

Saturday Night Live - Gingrich Cold Open - Video - NBC.com


Saturday Night Live - Cold Opening - Video - NBC.com

 

[Two Thumbs]

As a young man in college I was not always the most diligent student. One weekend, near the end of term, was particularly eventful and I found myself on Monday morning sitting, looking at a Dynamics final and no memory of any of the fine formulas we had studied that semester. Then I remembered F=ma. From that kernel I was able to derive all of the formulas I needed and ended up doing pretty well. More importantly, I realized the importance of fundamental concepts; I found that if one has a good understanding of core principles the smaller details are easier to work out. This led me a few years ago to ask myself, aside from the individual policies which align my thinking with “liberals”; why am I a liberal?

After some consideration I arrived on four succinct statements, which I believe also gave me some insight to what motivates the “other” side.

I am a parent.
As a parent I will do anything within my power to advantage my child.
I am a citizen.
As a citizen I believe it is vitally important that we write rules that prevent that.

It is only natural that parents do all they can for their children, however as wealth accumulates this presents a threat to democracy. This is the threat that concerned Jefferson when he spoke of the need for inheritance taxes, not as a form of revenue but a means to protect the democracy from citizens that might become too powerful, and then threaten the will of the people. It is easy to see how this has become the case in America today.

The dangers of inherited wealth to our economy are not unlike monarchy to the health of any nation, when power is derived from birthright rather than one’s labor it is more often foolishly applied. As more and more of our economy becomes “inherited wealth” it becomes more of a target for con men and less a tool for innovators. The world’s financial power has been diverted from improving the human condition into money making schemes designed to enrich those who create them.

I do have some specific suggestions that I feel would be helpful long term:

Public financing for public elections
Flat rate Social Security Tax, first dollar to last all forms of income
Index minimum wage to the average increase in CEO pay for the S&P 500

That’s about it, that shouldn’t be too hard to do, right?

So let me see if I understand;

You stayed a liberal b/c you would rather get high/drunk, on grants and loans than study BUT, you got lucky and passed.

Based on that life "experience", you think it's OK for you to have 55% of my mother and fathers money.

B/c life is not fair.




Grow the fuck up. Life is not fair, and everything liberals do to make it fair only makes things worse.