Why am I a liberal?

I do have some specific suggestions that I feel would be helpful long term:

Public financing for public elections

I'm not really sure about that. Do we really want every whackjob and nutjob getting a federal handout to run for President or Senate and Congress. How do you determine who gets tax dollars. Do you want a bureaucrat determining who is a "valid" candidate? We did try that with the Presidential fund, but no one checks that box, and they gave them the money anyway, at least until four years ago, when everyone opted out.

Flat rate Social Security Tax, first dollar to last all forms of income

I think what needs to happen is to admit that social security is a welfare program and not a savings program, and it should be means tested.

Index minimum wage to the average increase in CEO pay for the S&P 500

Interesting concept, don't think it's doable. To the point, though. When Reagan was elected, CEO Pay averaged 40 times worker pay. In 2010, that number ballooned to 400 times worker pay. It is not because our companies are better managed, it's because they've learned to game the system.

And this is a uniquely American thing. IN Europe and Japan, CEO pay is about 10 times worker pay.

The root cause of all of our economic problems are not due to how much CEO's make but to how little the average worker is paid. Worker Productivity has increased by 80% over the last thirty to forty years, but worker pay has decreased in real dollars. If worker pay had increased accordingly, things would be much better for everyone right now.
 
I think GreatDay is trying to kick some liberals here out of the dumbest idiot on the internet seat.
 
As a young man in college I was not always the most diligent student. One weekend, near the end of term, was particularly eventful and I found myself on Monday morning sitting, looking at a Dynamics final and no memory of any of the fine formulas we had studied that semester. Then I remembered F=ma. From that kernel I was able to derive all of the formulas I needed and ended up doing pretty well. More importantly, I realized the importance of fundamental concepts; I found that if one has a good understanding of core principles the smaller details are easier to work out. This led me a few years ago to ask myself, aside from the individual policies which align my thinking with “liberals”; why am I a liberal?

After some consideration I arrived on four succinct statements, which I believe also gave me some insight to what motivates the “other” side.

I am a parent.
As a parent I will do anything within my power to advantage my child.
I am a citizen.
As a citizen I believe it is vitally important that we write rules that prevent that.

It is only natural that parents do all they can for their children, however as wealth accumulates this presents a threat to democracy. This is the threat that concerned Jefferson when he spoke of the need for inheritance taxes, not as a form of revenue but a means to protect the democracy from citizens that might become too powerful, and then threaten the will of the people. It is easy to see how this has become the case in America today.

The dangers of inherited wealth to our economy are not unlike monarchy to the health of any nation, when power is derived from birthright rather than one’s labor it is more often foolishly applied. As more and more of our economy becomes “inherited wealth” it becomes more of a target for con men and less a tool for innovators. The world’s financial power has been diverted from improving the human condition into money making schemes designed to enrich those who create them.

I do have some specific suggestions that I feel would be helpful long term:

Public financing for public elections
Flat rate Social Security Tax, first dollar to last all forms of income
Index minimum wage to the average increase in CEO pay for the S&P 500

That’s about it, that shouldn’t be too hard to do, right?

You say you will do "anything within my power to advantage my child"...
yet as a citizen you want to "write rules to prevent that"....
yeah that makes sense....:cuckoo:
 
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As a young man in college I was not always the most diligent student. One weekend, near the end of term, was particularly eventful and I found myself on Monday morning sitting, looking at a Dynamics final and no memory of any of the fine formulas we had studied that semester. Then I remembered F=ma. From that kernel I was able to derive all of the formulas I needed and ended up doing pretty well. More importantly, I realized the importance of fundamental concepts; I found that if one has a good understanding of core principles the smaller details are easier to work out. This led me a few years ago to ask myself, aside from the individual policies which align my thinking with “liberals”; why am I a liberal?

After some consideration I arrived on four succinct statements, which I believe also gave me some insight to what motivates the “other” side.

I am a parent.
As a parent I will do anything within my power to advantage my child.
I am a citizen.
As a citizen I believe it is vitally important that we write rules that prevent that.

It is only natural that parents do all they can for their children, however as wealth accumulates this presents a threat to democracy. This is the threat that concerned Jefferson when he spoke of the need for inheritance taxes, not as a form of revenue but a means to protect the democracy from citizens that might become too powerful, and then threaten the will of the people. It is easy to see how this has become the case in America today.

The dangers of inherited wealth to our economy are not unlike monarchy to the health of any nation, when power is derived from birthright rather than one’s labor it is more often foolishly applied. As more and more of our economy becomes “inherited wealth” it becomes more of a target for con men and less a tool for innovators. The world’s financial power has been diverted from improving the human condition into money making schemes designed to enrich those who create them.

I do have some specific suggestions that I feel would be helpful long term:

Public financing for public elections
Flat rate Social Security Tax, first dollar to last all forms of income
Index minimum wage to the average increase in CEO pay for the S&P 500

That’s about it, that shouldn’t be too hard to do, right?

You say you will do "anything within my power to advantage my child"...
yet as a citizen you want to "write rules to prevent that"....
yeah that makes sense....:cuckoo:

Glad you see the problem doing stuff for jr. is how Kings are made, now I don't know about you but I don't want no King and anybody born to power well that's a King.
 
I think GreatDay is trying to kick some liberals here out of the dumbest idiot on the internet seat.

There are three kinds of people in the world; those that are dumb as dirt, lairs, and liberals which one are you? gone bezerk opps I thinkl I got my answer....
 
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The root cause of all of our economic problems are not due to how much CEO's make but to how little the average worker is paid. Worker Productivity has increased by 80% over the last thirty to forty years, but worker pay has decreased in real dollars. If worker pay had increased accordingly, things would be much better for everyone right now.

I agree. But I think it's more than that.

When you increase productivity, you reduce the size of the workforce. Which means you have a lot more people idling. This in turn reduces economic activity.

So you can't really fault those CEO's for making everyone more productive through Six Sigma and such... But when you have a shift of the wealth from the working class to the wealthy, the economy stagnates.

And from a political point of view, those idle people don't kindly go off and starve. They go to the government for sustinance if they can't find a job. Which really does benefit the Democrats, but not in a good way.
 
The root cause of all of our economic problems are not due to how much CEO's make but to how little the average worker is paid. Worker Productivity has increased by 80% over the last thirty to forty years, but worker pay has decreased in real dollars. If worker pay had increased accordingly, things would be much better for everyone right now.

I agree. But I think it's more than that.

When you increase productivity, you reduce the size of the workforce. Which means you have a lot more people idling. This in turn reduces economic activity.

So you can't really fault those CEO's for making everyone more productive through Six Sigma and such... But when you have a shift of the wealth from the working class to the wealthy, the economy stagnates.

And from a political point of view, those idle people don't kindly go off and starve. They go to the government for sustinance if they can't find a job. Which really does benefit the Democrats, but not in a good way.

It had been understood that "free enterprise" would result in money flowing to the top as the power rests there, however the tax system was adjusted to keep the money in motion up until 1980 when Reagan went hardcore against the unions. Here's a good piece written by some labor people about productivity, if you really are interested. (I still have hopes for the site)


http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2011/01/art3full.pdf
 
Inherited wealth is inherently anti-democratic

Taking away inherited wealth is likewise inherently anti-democratic.

Kinds makess it hard to maintain a real democratic society given the above, no?

We are constantly attempting to find that balance between anarchy and totalitarianism.

And as society changes the way things work the SWEET SPOT leading to a fair and just and successful society keeps changing, too.
 
Sounds like someone got cut out of the will.

If you must know as a child I was blessed to play with children who lived on dirt floors with no indoor pluming and also with those that had wine cellars and pictures of Presidents on their desks. It gave me a certain perspective on life that I don’t feel many have had the opportunity to develop.
 
Sounds like someone got cut out of the will.

If you must know as a child I was blessed to play with children who lived on dirt floors with no indoor pluming and also with those that had wine cellars and pictures of Presidents on their desks. It gave me a certain perspective on life that I don’t feel many have had the opportunity to develop.

And?

Still sounds like you're whining cause you got cut out of the will.
 
Inherited wealth is inherently anti-democratic

Taking away inherited wealth is likewise inherently anti-democratic.

Kinds makess it hard to maintain a real democratic society given the above, no?

We are constantly attempting to find that balance between anarchy and totalitarianism.

And as society changes the way things work the SWEET SPOT leading to a fair and just and successful society keeps changing, too.

we should find a "sweet spot" on taxes too, finding the "sweet spot" is a big part of life....
 
Sounds like someone got cut out of the will.

If you must know as a child I was blessed to play with children who lived on dirt floors with no indoor pluming and also with those that had wine cellars and pictures of Presidents on their desks. It gave me a certain perspective on life that I don’t feel many have had the opportunity to develop.

I think you're right, about that GD.

I too have lived among the obscenely wealthy and among the truly impoverished of this nation.

I saw the same kind of nobility or venality acted out in both groups.

What's more I saw that individuals are capable acting out in both ways depending on the circumstances facing them at any given time.

The primary difference between the wealthy and the not wealthy isn't anything fundamental about the way they operate.

Most the difference is the sets they do it in (the places they inhabit) and the access they have to resources to carry out their desires.

The wealthy live in better settings than the poor and they have greater degree of freedom about what they CAN do.

THOSE is the major differences between the capital class versus the working class.
 
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As a young man in college I was not always the most diligent student. One weekend, near the end of term, was particularly eventful and I found myself on Monday morning sitting, looking at a Dynamics final and no memory of any of the fine formulas we had studied that semester. Then I remembered F=ma. From that kernel I was able to derive all of the formulas I needed and ended up doing pretty well. More importantly, I realized the importance of fundamental concepts; I found that if one has a good understanding of core principles the smaller details are easier to work out. This led me a few years ago to ask myself, aside from the individual policies which align my thinking with “liberals”; why am I a liberal?

After some consideration I arrived on four succinct statements, which I believe also gave me some insight to what motivates the “other” side.

I am a parent.
As a parent I will do anything within my power to advantage my child.
I am a citizen.
As a citizen I believe it is vitally important that we write rules that prevent that.

It is only natural that parents do all they can for their children, however as wealth accumulates this presents a threat to democracy. This is the threat that concerned Jefferson when he spoke of the need for inheritance taxes, not as a form of revenue but a means to protect the democracy from citizens that might become too powerful, and then threaten the will of the people. It is easy to see how this has become the case in America today.

The dangers of inherited wealth to our economy are not unlike monarchy to the health of any nation, when power is derived from birthright rather than one’s labor it is more often foolishly applied. As more and more of our economy becomes “inherited wealth” it becomes more of a target for con men and less a tool for innovators. The world’s financial power has been diverted from improving the human condition into money making schemes designed to enrich those who create them.

I do have some specific suggestions that I feel would be helpful long term:

Public financing for public elections
Flat rate Social Security Tax, first dollar to last all forms of income
Index minimum wage to the average increase in CEO pay for the S&P 500

That’s about it, that shouldn’t be too hard to do, right?

So rather than have about 300,000 powerful wealthy individuals you would rather have an all powerful one government. The problem today is no one does critical thinking. Everyone just wants to think of things as flat and not think of things as a chain that causes reactions. I remember when they first started attacking cigarettes, I don’t smoke, I told a friend of mine that was all for it. I said sure your all for it because you don’t smoke but this country works on precedence and if you let them do this to cigarettes you are saying it is ok to allow them to do it with fast food, candy, soda, etc…. He said I was nuts and they would never do that. Low and behold look what is happening. Sure you’re ok with this government attacking the rich because it is not you. But when the rich leave this country and they have to start attacking you and I because we are all that is left then you will be saying it is a bad idea.

People always are for taking away someone else’s money or someone else’s freedoms as long as it does not affect you. But you are going to be at the end of some of those chains and eventually it will come back to bite you. People that do not fear the government has never really had to face this government in any real manner. When you do you will realize that you have recourse against a rich guy but you have no power what so ever when the government is coming for you. I can understand for the life of me how so many Americans have fallen into this government is good thing.
 
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Since you socialists are opposed to rich families keeping their own wealth, then you need to explain socialist families in power that stay in power (see North Korea) stealing the wealth of their lower class citizens.

The families of Mao, Stalin, Lenin, etc weren't poor and they did everything to keep their gravy train coming at the expense of the workers working in the state-run factories and fields.

Even every society there will always be those that have and those have not. Our system is based on freedom to be a have or have not, not some preprogrammed socialist society where the Obamas, Kennedys, Reids, etc get to stay in power then pass it on to their kids as they die off.

The America Revolution was the largest act of wealth redistribution the world has ever known. The Crown invested billions of today’s dollars and hundreds of years into the colonies. The colonies pasted down through the family like any other trust fund asset. There is no doubt that legally. Internationally recognized, King George owned America. The Founding Fathers stole this country from him; they had some crazy idea that because they had built this country with their sweat and blood, they had more right to it than the person who had made it all possible with billions in investment, imagine that.

You need to go back to history class. You have the reasons for the revolution wrong.
 
I do have some specific suggestions that I feel would be helpful long term:

Public financing for public elections

I'm not really sure about that. Do we really want every whackjob and nutjob getting a federal handout to run for President or Senate and Congress. How do you determine who gets tax dollars. Do you want a bureaucrat determining who is a "valid" candidate? We did try that with the Presidential fund, but no one checks that box, and they gave them the money anyway, at least until four years ago, when everyone opted out.



I think what needs to happen is to admit that social security is a welfare program and not a savings program, and it should be means tested.

Index minimum wage to the average increase in CEO pay for the S&P 500

Interesting concept, don't think it's doable. To the point, though. When Reagan was elected, CEO Pay averaged 40 times worker pay. In 2010, that number ballooned to 400 times worker pay. It is not because our companies are better managed, it's because they've learned to game the system.

And this is a uniquely American thing. IN Europe and Japan, CEO pay is about 10 times worker pay.

The root cause of all of our economic problems are not due to how much CEO's make but to how little the average worker is paid. Worker Productivity has increased by 80% over the last thirty to forty years, but worker pay has decreased in real dollars. If worker pay had increased accordingly, things would be much better for everyone right now.

I disagree with you as I think it is all the free stuff this government provides. With entitlements this government builds a dependency that makes people into children of the government with their hands out asking for more. Then when it also pays for all this it increases costs as it increases demand, see health care and food. This increase in demand and resulting increase in cost makes it difficult for the middle class to afford as much. Then the government answers by providing more services to the poor to meet these increases then that increases demand and hits the middle class. The government answers this with more for the poor increasing demand and hitting the middle class. Then the government answers this with more for the poor…. You see where this is going.
 
How is wealth a threat to democracy? It's a false premise. Democrat inner city vote manufacturing operations are a far greater threat than what Buffett or Walton do with their money

Look at the hated "top 1%" today, there is virtually no similarity to the top 1% 20 years ago.

In 20 years it will be the same thing, the top 1% (again hated by the "American" Left) will bear no resemblance to the top 1% today.

We're a dynamic country where, despite Neo-Marxists trying to damage us, people still come here with a dollar and a dream and make it happen.
 

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