Why 2nd Amendment supporters who support mandatory training are wrong….

[Dadoalex]

The issue is the gun control nuts see these as de facto methods of gun banning, by making the requirements far beyond what would be required for actual safety.


They don't care about safety, they care about as few law abiding armed citizens as possible being out there.

The problem is dishonest political opponents, not the idea of basic skill requirements for ownership.

Are Driver's licenses harder to get in Michigan than Ohio?

You've nothing but paranoia and ignorance driving your opinion.

 

[Dadoalex]

It could depend on who controls the content of those tests.

Has it occurred to you that not everyone has an agenda?
I know, I know, you see agendae in every aspect of life.
But just because you've let your fears drive paranoia doesn't mean your fears or paranoia are based on anything resembling reality.

Believe it or not that lady at the DL office doesn't care one way pot the other whether or not you get a license. You pass, License. You don't, no license.

 

[Dadoalex]

I think for someone to be allowed to vote they must pass a test in Economics, Biology and History.

There would be far fewer Democrat voters.

As far as gun rights go. The Bill of Rights is the only license I need to keep and bear arms.

Only one questions in each group:

Does cutting taxes raise revenues
Is a zygote a human being
Was the 2020 election stolen.

This will eliminate 95% of the GOP.

 

[SavannahMann]

You want to end the Right through government control. We have seen what you democrats do......again....you didn't want free blacks to vote, so you created Literacy Tests and Poll Taxes.....telling us that this was common sense and necessary....mandatory training, as we already see in New Jersey, New York, D.C. and other democrat party fascist cities, is nothing more than another way to keep people from owning guns....

There is no other truth here. That is all mandatory training is.

I guess I’m going to have to waste time setting the record straight. You are speaking truth that Democrats used to do those things. Then the Conservatives departed the Democratic Party when the party abandoned those beliefs in favor of equality for all. Those Conservatives and their descendants now support Republicans.

Now, it’s true that the Democrats used to do those things. But what is worse? Having those things in the history? Or supporting those things today?

The KKK endorsed Trump.

KKK Paper Endorses Trump; Campaign Calls Outlet 'Repulsive'

The support of racists and white nationalists has been a campaign-long problem for Trump. Former KKK leader David Duke has repeatedly and enthusiastically backed the Republican nominee.

www.npr.org

So what is worse, having had the support of Racists in the past, or having the support of racists today? I’m thinking the Past is where you learn from. The mistakes of days gone by. I’m thinking it’s worse to repeat those mistakes today refusing to learn from them.

I not only want people to possess firearms. I am a CCW holder in Georgia despite the Constitutional Carry law that was passed. I am also a supporter of returning full rights including Voting and the right to keep and bear arms to criminals who have served their sentences. People who did their time should have full rights as citizens again in my opinion. Where exactly do you stand on that? Oh yeah. We have to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals and in the law abiding hands of good Americans right?

Then again, I’m a Christian, and I believe forgiveness is blessed.

So while you denounce me for occasionally voting for Democrats, a fact I’ve pronounced often, and their horrible historical record on minorities and equality, which is true, shouldn’t you be denouncing me for voting for Republicans, as I have stated often that I do, and their current practices?

I voted for Kemp in the last election, and Rafesberger, and instead of Walker, voted for Warnock. Shall I continue on describing how I split my vote between the parties for the better people IMO?

 

[Flash]

Only one questions in each group:

Does cutting taxes raise revenues
Is a zygote a human being
Was the 2020 election stolen.

This will eliminate 95% of the GOP.

How about:

Has Socialism ever worked?

When has increased taxation ever made a country more prosperous?

Why is increased cost of energy a good thing?

How many hours does a zygote exist until it evolves into a human being?

Is it important to have secure borders?

Which is more immoral, using a condom or killing a child for birth control?

Should you be allowed to keep the money you earn or should the government steal it from you and give to a welfare queen?

That would eliminate 99.9% of you stupid uneducated Moon Bats from voting.

 

[Unkotare]

Massachusetts is one of the states that makes it the most pain in the ass to be licensed to own a gun and even here it's really not all that hard to meet the qualifications. Expensive and inconvenient, but doable.

 

[2aguy]

I guess I’m going to have to waste time setting the record straight. You are speaking truth that Democrats used to do those things. Then the Conservatives departed the Democratic Party when the party abandoned those beliefs in favor of equality for all. Those Conservatives and their descendants now support Republicans.

Now, it’s true that the Democrats used to do those things. But what is worse? Having those things in the history? Or supporting those things today?

The KKK endorsed Trump.

KKK Paper Endorses Trump; Campaign Calls Outlet 'Repulsive'

The support of racists and white nationalists has been a campaign-long problem for Trump. Former KKK leader David Duke has repeatedly and enthusiastically backed the Republican nominee.

www.npr.org

So what is worse, having had the support of Racists in the past, or having the support of racists today? I’m thinking the Past is where you learn from. The mistakes of days gone by. I’m thinking it’s worse to repeat those mistakes today refusing to learn from them.

I not only want people to possess firearms. I am a CCW holder in Georgia despite the Constitutional Carry law that was passed. I am also a supporter of returning full rights including Voting and the right to keep and bear arms to criminals who have served their sentences. People who did their time should have full rights as citizens again in my opinion. Where exactly do you stand on that? Oh yeah. We have to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals and in the law abiding hands of good Americans right?

Then again, I’m a Christian, and I believe forgiveness is blessed.

So while you denounce me for occasionally voting for Democrats, a fact I’ve pronounced often, and their horrible historical record on minorities and equality, which is true, shouldn’t you be denouncing me for voting for Republicans, as I have stated often that I do, and their current practices?

I voted for Kemp in the last election, and Rafesberger, and instead of Walker, voted for Warnock. Shall I continue on describing how I split my vote between the parties for the better people IMO?

The ones supporting segregating by race today are the democrats, not the republicans.....the democrats are once again standing in the school house doors.....keeping blacks, and hispanics in horrible schools, and refusing to give them the ability to go to good schools...

The republicans are not the racists.....that you can't see that explains a lot of how you think.

the kkk endorsed hilary and biden...

But the Democratic VP nominee might want to look at those who have publicly endorsed Clinton before he invokes the KKK. Will Quigg, grand dragon of the KKK’s California chapter, is among those who have endorsed Clinton for president.
An interview, taped at a KKK rally in California in March, included this exchange:

Reporter: Who do you like for president, sir.
Quigg: Hillary Clinton.


Video shows KKK Grand Dragon endorsing Hillary Clinton

White supremacist Richard Spencer votes for Joe Biden as he tweets 'to hell with libertarian ideology'​

White supremacist Richard Spencer votes for Joe Biden​

The democrats want to separate the country by race....they use race as a weapon, a shield and a tool...not the republicans...

As far as non-violent felons, I have no problem with them getting their Right to own and carry guns back.....violent, repeat offenders....nope.

As a Christian myself, forgiveness is given, forgetting the recidivism rate of violent criminals is not...

 

[Dadoalex]

How about:

Has Socialism ever worked?

When has increased taxation ever made a country more prosperous?

Why is increased cost of energy a good thing?

How many hours does a zygote exist until it evolves into a human being?

Is it important to have secure borders?

Which is more immoral, using a condom or killing a child for birth control?

Should you be allowed to keep the money you earn or should the government steal it from you and give to a welfare queen?

That would eliminate 99.9% of you stupid uneducated Moon Bats from voting.

So you think ONLY the people who share your opinion should vote.
All your "questions" ask for opinions shortmound.
And
OPINIONS ARE NEVER WRONG

So your "test" would let everyone vote
EVEN MAGAIDIOTS.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[2aguy]

I guess I’m going to have to waste time setting the record straight. You are speaking truth that Democrats used to do those things. Then the Conservatives departed the Democratic Party when the party abandoned those beliefs in favor of equality for all. Those Conservatives and their descendants now support Republicans.

Now, it’s true that the Democrats used to do those things. But what is worse? Having those things in the history? Or supporting those things today?

The KKK endorsed Trump.

KKK Paper Endorses Trump; Campaign Calls Outlet 'Repulsive'

The support of racists and white nationalists has been a campaign-long problem for Trump. Former KKK leader David Duke has repeatedly and enthusiastically backed the Republican nominee.

www.npr.org

So what is worse, having had the support of Racists in the past, or having the support of racists today? I’m thinking the Past is where you learn from. The mistakes of days gone by. I’m thinking it’s worse to repeat those mistakes today refusing to learn from them.

I not only want people to possess firearms. I am a CCW holder in Georgia despite the Constitutional Carry law that was passed. I am also a supporter of returning full rights including Voting and the right to keep and bear arms to criminals who have served their sentences. People who did their time should have full rights as citizens again in my opinion. Where exactly do you stand on that? Oh yeah. We have to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals and in the law abiding hands of good Americans right?

Then again, I’m a Christian, and I believe forgiveness is blessed.

So while you denounce me for occasionally voting for Democrats, a fact I’ve pronounced often, and their horrible historical record on minorities and equality, which is true, shouldn’t you be denouncing me for voting for Republicans, as I have stated often that I do, and their current practices?

I voted for Kemp in the last election, and Rafesberger, and instead of Walker, voted for Warnock. Shall I continue on describing how I split my vote between the parties for the better people IMO?

You really think the democrat party has ended their racism?


Oh......so......the kkk endorsed Trump.....did he accept their endorsement? Did he have a dinner in the honor of any kkk members? Does he go and visit with kkk members before he ran for office? Does any republican give a kkk member their own television show?

Barak obama and the congressional black caucus hosted a public, known, racist and anti-semite louis farakhan........you know, the Grand Dragon of racism in the democrat party.....

Has Trump ever embraced any of the racists the way obama has embraced the actual racists and anti-semites in the democrat party?

Now, here was the Senator in a warm conversation with constituent and fellow Chicagoan Minister Louis Farrakhan. As leader of the Nation of Islam, Farrakhan is another star in Black America, but one whose name is synonymous with controversy.
Wasting no time, Muhammad snapped the news photo. But moments later, he faced a dilemma.

Hidden photo of Obama and Farrakhan released in new book

It was during a mid-2005 Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) meeting on Capitol Hill when award-winning journalist Askia Muhammad captured one of the most significant photos of his career.

www.phillytrib.com

Then you have the fact that obama has had racist, and anti-semite, Al sharpton to the White House over and over again.....the democrats in the media have given the black kkk member al sharpton a television show, and their Presidential candidates have to kiss his ring before they run......a man who actually incited an anti-Jew riot that killed a man.....

Then you have the fact that obama......went to the church of a racist...and anti-semite.....for 20 years......a member of the black kkk, jeremiah wright....who married obama, and baptized their children.....the essential member of the black kkk and obama is his good friend...

So sell the bullshit about Republicans being the racists to uniformed biden voters...

The democrat party has been and still is the party of racism, anti-semitism and misanthropy...

 

[Blues Man]

Then why not take part and ensure your ideas are heard?

The concept that weapons training is "bad" in a country with 400M firearms and 40K firearms deaths every years is just plain stupid.

How many children die each year because someone didn't properly store a firearm?
How many people die each year because someone forgot to clear the chamber?

These are the things that training would reinforce.

To oppose training is simply to stand mindlessly on an absent principle.

Look if you want to make people pay to exercise a right then apply that same standard to ALL rights.

You have to pay for and pass a class before you can exercise any of your rights.

and 492 people die in accidental shootings annually and both adults and children are included in that number

[Updated 2022] Examining Accidental Gun Death Statistics | Aftermath

Accidental shootings are surprisingly common in the US examined in order to emphasize safety measures. Get the latest accidental gun death statistics here.

www.aftermath.com

Now if you take into account that there are literally tens of millions of legal instances of gun use annually that 492 is a vanishingly minuscule percentage

 

[Flash]

So you think ONLY the people who share your opinion should vote.
All your "questions" ask for opinions shortmound.
And
OPINIONS ARE NEVER WRONG

So your "test" would let everyone vote
EVEN MAGAIDIOTS.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You Libards are not only dumbasses but are pretty much the scum of this country.

The reason this country is so fucked up now is because you dimwits have the ability to vote. You have used Democracy to feed your greed.

We need to return to what our Founding Fathers had that created such a great country. Only White land owning males could vote.

 

[Dadoalex]

Look if you want to make people pay to exercise a right then apply that same standard to ALL rights.

You have to pay for and pass a class before you can exercise any of your rights.

and 492 people die in accidental shootings annually and both adults and children are included in that number

[Updated 2022] Examining Accidental Gun Death Statistics | Aftermath

Accidental shootings are surprisingly common in the US examined in order to emphasize safety measures. Get the latest accidental gun death statistics here.

www.aftermath.com

Now if you take into account that there are literally tens of millions of legal instances of gun use annually that 492 is a vanishingly minuscule percentage

So have the state pay for for the training.

and 492 isn't "a vanishingly minuscule percentage" to the families of the dead children or the sibling who pulled the trigger now is it?

Requiring training no more interferes with your 2nd amendment right than getting a parade permit interferes with your 1st amendment rights.

In both cases the effort is to restrict your imposition of your right on others without proper protections in place.

 

[Dadoalex]

You Libards are not only dumbasses but are pretty much the scum of this country.

The reason this country is so fucked up now is because you dimwits have the ability to vote. You have used Democracy to feed your greed.

We need to return to what our Founding Fathers had that created such a great country. Only White land owning males could vote.

And you need to return to the cesspool from whence you came so you can interbreed with your cousins and produce more MAGATS just like yourself.
Pardon me while I cleanse my keyboard and change monitors.

 

[2aguy]

So have the state pay for for the training.

and 492 isn't "a vanishingly minuscule percentage" to the families of the dead children or the sibling who pulled the trigger now is it?

Requiring training no more interferes with your 2nd amendment right than getting a parade permit interferes with your 1st amendment rights.

In both cases the effort is to restrict your imposition of your right on others without proper protections in place.

2020


It isn't 492....accidental child deaths due to firearms 14 and under?

92

Accidental car deaths....14 and under....

1,151.....

WISQARS (Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System) | Injury Center | CDC

WISQARS (Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System) is an interactive database system that provides customized reports of injury-related data.

wisqars.cdc.gov

Requiring training that prevents people from accessing their Right interferes with that Right, the same way the democrats used Literacy Tests to keep blacks from voting.

A parade permit, you dope, is necessary because you want to use a public space, a space different groups might want to use at the same time.....then you have to have the police, public works involved as well...you dope. Completely different situations.

 

[Dadoalex]

2020


It isn't 492....accidental child deaths due to firearms 14 and under?

92

Accidental car deaths....14 and under....

1,151.....

WISQARS (Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System) | Injury Center | CDC

WISQARS (Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System) is an interactive database system that provides customized reports of injury-related data.

wisqars.cdc.gov

Requiring training that prevents people from accessing their Right interferes with that Right, the same way the democrats used Literacy Tests to keep blacks from voting.

A parade permit, you dope, is necessary because you want to use a public space, a space different groups might want to use at the same time.....then you have to have the police, public works involved as well...you dope. Completely different situations.

I simply repeated the claimed stat. You chose to make a stupid and false comparison.
A vehicle has a positive purpose, transportation
A firearm has only one purpose, to kill.

And, shitbrain, the reason for the permits is so the groups do not collide and thus impose their rights on others.

You're really kinda stupid aren't you? Narrow thinking. Unable to think beyond the next move. Needing to be led by the hand? No wonder you're a MAGAT.

 

[Blues Man]

So have the state pay for for the training.

and 492 isn't "a vanishingly minuscule percentage" to the families of the dead children or the sibling who pulled the trigger now is it?

Requiring training no more interferes with your 2nd amendment right than getting a parade permit interferes with your 1st amendment rights.

In both cases the effort is to restrict your imposition of your right on others without proper protections in place.

Yeah you're going to get democrats to approve that spending?

Yes it is vanishingly minuscule

Literally tens of millions of legal instances of gun use and literally 40-60% of the people won firearms

that 492 is not even a statistically significant number.

And if people are required to pay for "training" it is unconstitutional. It's no different than a poll tax.

 

[Grau]

Massachusetts is one of the states that makes it the most pain in the ass to be licensed to own a gun and even here it's really not all that hard to meet the qualifications. Expensive and inconvenient, but doable.

I still doubt that our Founding Fathers had "... Expensive and inconvenient, but doable" in mind when they wrote the Bill of Rights.

Concerning the OP, I strongly support the idea of being well trained and being honest with yourself before walking around armed.

On the other hand, conditions are not imposed on other Rights and perhaps reading too much Orwellian literature has made me mistrust big government so I could not support mandatory training requirements.

Thanks,

 

[Dadoalex]

Yeah you're going to get democrats to approve that spending?

Yes it is vanishingly minuscule

Literally tens of millions of legal instances of gun use and literally 40-60% of the people won firearms

that 492 is not even a statistically significant number.

And if people are required to pay for "training" it is unconstitutional. It's no different than a poll tax.

Propose the legislation and you'll get 95% of Democrats.

This would be a small step in the direction of sanity and that small step would be a big deal.

 

[2aguy]

I simply repeated the claimed stat. You chose to make a stupid and false comparison.
A vehicle has a positive purpose, transportation
A firearm has only one purpose, to kill.

And, shitbrain, the reason for the permits is so the groups do not collide and thus impose their rights on others.

You're really kinda stupid aren't you? Narrow thinking. Unable to think beyond the next move. Needing to be led by the hand? No wonder you're a MAGAT.

Guns are used 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings, stabbings, and even mass public shootings.....and those are just civilian uses...not to mention all the times the police use them to save lives.

 

[Dadoalex]

Guns are used 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings, stabbings, and even mass public shootings.....and those are just civilian uses...not to mention all the times the police use them to save lives.

in your

But your flights of fancy aside. The idea of requiring training does not impact your fantasized heroes but might save a few thousand lives.