Who's Afraid of Socialism?

No thanks. One need not look any further than europe to see what a travesty it is.
Have you ever been to Europe? Have you lived in Europe?
You live in a socialist country, 54% of the budget go to the Military....But hey they don't have money to treat the sick Americans and it's socialist....Australia who has a better and free education system, universal health care, lower poverty rate, higher minimum wage than the US, spends only 2% of its budget on military toys.....socialism is VERY BAD.
Me and millions just like me want nothing to do with the fucking nanny state
I just proved to you that the US is a socialist country when it comes to industries that benefit only a few, but when it will benefit the masses they brainwashed you that it's a socialist evil practice. Debunk this fact, I don't want to discuss emotions.
 
No thanks. One need not look any further than europe to see what a travesty it is.
Have you ever been to Europe? Have you lived in Europe?
You live in a socialist country, 54% of the budget go to the Military....But hey they don't have money to treat the sick Americans and it's socialist....Australia who has a better and free education system, universal health care, lower poverty rate, higher minimum wage than the US, spends only 2% of its budget on military toys.....socialism is VERY BAD.
Australia has a lower poverty rate only because it isn't overrun by illegal aliens from a third world country. Everything government does is easier when it doesn't have to deal with such problems.

Australia can afford to spend only 2% on its military budget only because America provides most of its defense.

Our education system is also socialist, so comparing it to vaunt the superiority of socialism just doesn't compute.
 
Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.
You can take your socialism and shove it up your ass, just keep that shit to yourselves
DECEMBER 10, 2012
Reality Economics
by MICHAEL HUDSON
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"'Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.'

"And if they would destroy economies, they first create a wealthy class on top, and let human nature do the rest.

"The acquisition of power soon leads to its abuse, to economic and social hubris.

"By seeking to protect its gains, perpetuate itself and make its wealth hereditary, the emergence of a power elite locks in its position in ways that exclude and injure those below.

"The wealthy indebt them, shift the tax burden onto the less powerful, and turn government into an oligarchy.
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Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.
Anybody with any common sense or capacity to commit logic is afraid of socialism. All you have to do is look at Venezuela to see why you have to be insane to adopt such economic policies.
Huh? Venezuela ? because they keep feeding you that on fox news? How about Switzerland, Holland, Scandavian countries, Australia, and so many more that their citizens enjoy free health care, decent vacation times, decent wages, decent sick times, free education and a very good safety net?

Switzerland, Holland, the Scandinavian countries and Australia aren't socialist. The United States is more socialist than they are

From the Heritage Index of Economic Freedom:

Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

rank country overall change
1 Hong Kong 90.2 0.4
2 Singapore 88.8 0.2
3 New Zealand 84.2 0.5
4 Switzerland 81.7 0.2
5 Australia 80.9 -0.1
6 Ireland 80.4 3.7
12 Denmark 76.6 +1.5
15 Sweden 76.3 +1.4
17 Netherlands 76.2 +0.4
18 United States 75.7 +0.6
179 Venezuela 25.2 -1.8
 
Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.
Pure socialism or pure capitalism does not work. Show me an example of either that works in the real world.
Our government is a blend of both capitalism and socialism, heavier on capitalism.
The key is took get the balance right.
In addition to getting the correct balance between capitalism and socialism, I think it's also useful to adopt a 21st Century definition of the latter ideology:

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia


"Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1]with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market or some form of decentralized planned socialist economy.[2]

"Democratic socialists hold that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a socialist society."

"Social ownership of the means of production" doesn't require state ownership of land, labor, and capital; majority ownership of the factors of production can also be accomplished by worker owned enterprises.
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Socialism "Cheat Sheet"? : socialism
 
Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.
Pure socialism or pure capitalism does not work. Show me an example of either that works in the real world.
Our government is a blend of both capitalism and socialism, heavier on capitalism.
The key is took get the balance right.
Socialism showed up AFTER unfettered capitalism built the greatest country in the world.
How did "unfettered capitalism" build "the greatest country in the world?"
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Capitalism—a system born of slavery

"People across the political spectrum acknowledge that racism exists, but its origins are shrouded in mystery—deliberately so.

"Racism is presented as if it has always existed, and individuals make a personal choice to be racist.

"In reality racism was developed as a means of justifying the transatlantic slave trade, which was crucial for the birth of industrial capitalism."
 
Socialism is slavery. People work only to have corrupt Government confiscate the fruits of their labor and use the money to rule with an iron fist. Eventually the people rise up and overthrow the corrupt government.
 
Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Once again, the commies blame capitalism....


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Which strain of capitalism are you extolling, Rockefeller?
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Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.
You can take your socialism and shove it up your ass, just keep that shit to yourselves
DECEMBER 10, 2012
Reality Economics
by MICHAEL HUDSON
FacebookTwitterGoogle+RedditEmail



"'Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.'

"And if they would destroy economies, they first create a wealthy class on top, and let human nature do the rest.

"The acquisition of power soon leads to its abuse, to economic and social hubris.

"By seeking to protect its gains, perpetuate itself and make its wealth hereditary, the emergence of a power elite locks in its position in ways that exclude and injure those below.

"The wealthy indebt them, shift the tax burden onto the less powerful, and turn government into an oligarchy.
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Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.
Pure socialism or pure capitalism does not work. Show me an example of either that works in the real world.
Our government is a blend of both capitalism and socialism, heavier on capitalism.
The key is took get the balance right.
In addition to getting the correct balance between capitalism and socialism, I think it's also useful to adopt a 21st Century definition of the latter ideology:

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia


"Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1]with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market or some form of decentralized planned socialist economy.[2]

"Democratic socialists hold that capitalism is inherently incompatible with what they hold to be the democratic values of liberty, equality and solidarity; and that these ideals can only be achieved through the realization of a socialist society."

"Social ownership of the means of production" doesn't require state ownership of land, labor, and capital; majority ownership of the factors of production can also be accomplished by worker owned enterprises.
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Socialism "Cheat Sheet"? : socialism
Why do you assume that we are required to accept your self-serving definition of socialism?
 
Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.
Pure socialism or pure capitalism does not work. Show me an example of either that works in the real world.
Our government is a blend of both capitalism and socialism, heavier on capitalism.
The key is took get the balance right.
Socialism showed up AFTER unfettered capitalism built the greatest country in the world.
How did "unfettered capitalism" build "the greatest country in the world?"
triangle_map.jpg

Capitalism—a system born of slavery

"People across the political spectrum acknowledge that racism exists, but its origins are shrouded in mystery—deliberately so.

"Racism is presented as if it has always existed, and individuals make a personal choice to be racist.

"In reality racism was developed as a means of justifying the transatlantic slave trade, which was crucial for the birth of industrial capitalism."
Slavery has been around for thousands of years. The claim that capitalism created it is obviously absurd. It's also absurd to believe that capitalism exists because of slavery. Capitalism ended slavery. The capitalist British Empire put an end to the slave trade, and the practice ended in most countries a few generations after the advent of capitalism.
 
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Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Listen, I realize that your school teacher has convinced you that being Left wing is cool and all, but let me ask you, what would make a Cuban board an inner tube and jump out into the ocean with the hopes of floating to Florida by the thousands?

Or what would make a mother in Honduras take her toddler and hike for thousands of miles to the US border with the hopes that they will have enough food and water and not get killed by drug dealers or human traffickers, etc, while passing through other socialist countries they could stop and live in?

Aren't these countries from which people are fleeing by the thousands socialist?

And what form of government has murdered far more people than any other? Is it not socialists like the Nazi socialist or communist governments that have murdered over a 100 million in recorded history?

Wakey, wakey, eggs and bakey.

Once the US falls to these dolts, there will be no where else on earth to run. There will be no more hope, warts and all.
 
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Slavery has been around for thousands of years. The claim that capitalism created it is obviously absurd.
The claim is NOT that capitalism created slavery, it is that slavery created US capitalism.
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Slavery Made America - The Atlantic

"...by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States. In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined."
 
Listen, I realize that your school teacher has convinced you that being Left wing is cool and all, but let me ask you, what would make a Cuban board an inner tube and jump out into the ocean with the hopes of floating to Florida?
Maybe the Cuban supported a US backed dictator?
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https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cuban-dictator-batista-falls-from-power

"In the face of a popular revolution spearheaded by Fidel Castro’s 26th of July Movement, Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista flees the island nation.

"As celebration and chaos intermingled in the Cuban capitol of Havana, U.S. policymakers debated how best to deal with the radical Castro and the ominous rumblings of anti-Americanism in Cuba."
 
Slavery has been around for thousands of years. The claim that capitalism created it is obviously absurd.
The claim is NOT that capitalism created slavery, it is that slavery created US capitalism.
Gordon_scourged_back_NPG_1863.jpg

Slavery Made America - The Atlantic

"...by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States. In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined."
As I already pointed out, that claim is also bullshit. Slavery existed in the South, but it was the Northern economy that boomed. It boomed even more after slavery was ended. The British Empire abolished slavery in 1833, at the very beginning of the Industrial Revolution, before any railroad was ever built. You certainly can't give slavery credit for building the British industrial economy.

Your claim is obviously wrong.
 
Listen, I realize that your school teacher has convinced you that being Left wing is cool and all, but let me ask you, what would make a Cuban board an inner tube and jump out into the ocean with the hopes of floating to Florida?
Maybe the Cuban supported a US backed dictator?
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https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cuban-dictator-batista-falls-from-power

"In the face of a popular revolution spearheaded by Fidel Castro’s 26th of July Movement, Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista flees the island nation.

"As celebration and chaos intermingled in the Cuban capitol of Havana, U.S. policymakers debated how best to deal with the radical Castro and the ominous rumblings of anti-Americanism in Cuba."
The Cuban people didn't start trying to get to Florida via inner-tube until Castro took over. They were perfectly happy to remain in Cuba under Batista. In fact, before Castro, Cuba was one of the wealthiest countries in Latin America.
 
Listen, I realize that your school teacher has convinced you that being Left wing is cool and all, but let me ask you, what would make a Cuban board an inner tube and jump out into the ocean with the hopes of floating to Florida?
Maybe the Cuban supported a US backed dictator?
17923688940e842f7b4e4547bb9409fa.png

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/cuban-dictator-batista-falls-from-power

"In the face of a popular revolution spearheaded by Fidel Castro’s 26th of July Movement, Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista flees the island nation.

"As celebration and chaos intermingled in the Cuban capitol of Havana, U.S. policymakers debated how best to deal with the radical Castro and the ominous rumblings of anti-Americanism in Cuba."

Grasping at straws are we?

What country tried to overthrow Castro and which US political party idolizes the oppressive Cuban government and their murderous history?

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