Who wants cradle to grave?

[rdean]

Obama wants to subsidize your life from cradle to grave

7/17/12

On radio this morning, Glenn spent the opening few minutes looking at the political philosophy of Barack Obama and what his policies reveal about the role of government. Unsurprisingly, he finds Obama to be one of the worst big government progressives of all time. But how bad is it? Worse than you’d think.

He started off by referencing a quote from Ross Douthat from a New York Times opinion piece:

“[T]he slide show’s vision of the individual’s relationship to the state seems designed to vindicate every conservative critique of the Obama-era Democratic Party. The liberalism of “the Life of Julia” doesn’t envision government spending the way an older liberalism did — as a backstop for otherwise self-sufficient working families, providing insurance against job loss, decrepitude and catastrophic illness. It offers a more sweeping vision of government’s place in society, in which the individual depends on the state at every stage of life, and no decision — personal, educational, entrepreneurial, sexual — can be contemplated without the promise that it will be somehow subsidized by Washington.”

Glenn said this is a much more eloquent way of summarizing Barack Obama’s philosophy than he would ever be able to articulate it.

He then played Obama’s shocking audio regarding individual success:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

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Obama wants to subsidize your life from cradle to grave – Glenn Beck

"Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You". John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961...
Sorry JFK it's the new progressive liberal America...................

PUT DOWN THAT KOOL-AID. You've had too much.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Obama wants to subsidize your life from cradle to grave

7/17/12

On radio this morning, Glenn spent the opening few minutes looking at the political philosophy of Barack Obama and what his policies reveal about the role of government. Unsurprisingly, he finds Obama to be one of the worst big government progressives of all time. But how bad is it? Worse than you’d think.

He started off by referencing a quote from Ross Douthat from a New York Times opinion piece:

“[T]he slide show’s vision of the individual’s relationship to the state seems designed to vindicate every conservative critique of the Obama-era Democratic Party. The liberalism of “the Life of Julia” doesn’t envision government spending the way an older liberalism did — as a backstop for otherwise self-sufficient working families, providing insurance against job loss, decrepitude and catastrophic illness. It offers a more sweeping vision of government’s place in society, in which the individual depends on the state at every stage of life, and no decision — personal, educational, entrepreneurial, sexual — can be contemplated without the promise that it will be somehow subsidized by Washington.”

Glenn said this is a much more eloquent way of summarizing Barack Obama’s philosophy than he would ever be able to articulate it.

He then played Obama’s shocking audio regarding individual success:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

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Obama wants to subsidize your life from cradle to grave – Glenn Beck

"Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You". John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961...
Sorry JFK it's the new progressive liberal America...................

PUT DOWN THAT KOOL-AID. You've had too much.

Why? How is it economically sustainable for a large part of our population that can work not to be within the work force? I'm not saying disabled or people that really need it, but otherwise it does far more harm to this country's growth.

The honest truth is if such happens in productivity goes down then per capita goes down too. Living standards fall, so that government cheese is worth less and less.

 

[rightwinger]

What Americans want is what Americans have always wanted. A chance at the American dream. Work hard, get a good job, take care of your family, someday retire in comfort.

There are currently major obstructions to many Americans getting that dream. Having the government on your side to overcome those obstructions is good for America

The same old bullshit from the idiot liberal. America is the land of opportunity, but the liberal can't accept personal responsibility for anything - including their own failures. They can't accept that they're too lazy, too stupid, etc. It's always someone else's fault, and they want government to take by force from those that have succeeded and redistribute it to them.

You people throw more pity-party's per hour than Hollywood diva's have in the history of the world.

America is not the same land of opportunity it was for my father or grandfather. In their America you could get a menial job, hopefully a union job, work 40 hours a week and support your family of four or five kids on a single salary. On that salary you could buy a house, a car, health insurance and send your kids to college. All without your wife having to work
America is no longer that land of opportunity. Menial jobs will no longer afford the American dream. You can now only afford two kids and must go into debt to send them to college. Your boss no longer wants to provide healthcare. Your wife must work if you want anything near the standard of living your father and grandfather
This is the America envisioned by the Reagan Revolution.

 

[kaz]

America is not the same land of opportunity it was for my father or grandfather. In their America you could get a menial job, hopefully a union job, work 40 hours a week and support your family of four or five kids on a single salary. On that salary you could buy a house, a car, health insurance and send your kids to college. All without your wife having to work
America is no longer that land of opportunity. Menial jobs will no longer afford the American dream. You can now only afford two kids and must go into debt to send them to college. Your boss no longer wants to provide healthcare. Your wife must work if you want anything near the standard of living your father and grandfather
This is the America envisioned by the Reagan Revolution.

Your rose colored revisionism. Menial jobs never paid more than a menial salary. The real difference is that our "father and grandfather" were willing to work menial jobs and put their kids through college asking and expecting handouts from no one and you're not even willing to do it for yourself.

 

[rightwinger]

America is not the same land of opportunity it was for my father or grandfather. In their America you could get a menial job, hopefully a union job, work 40 hours a week and support your family of four or five kids on a single salary. On that salary you could buy a house, a car, health insurance and send your kids to college. All without your wife having to work
America is no longer that land of opportunity. Menial jobs will no longer afford the American dream. You can now only afford two kids and must go into debt to send them to college. Your boss no longer wants to provide healthcare. Your wife must work if you want anything near the standard of living your father and grandfather
This is the America envisioned by the Reagan Revolution.

Your rose colored revisionism. Menial jobs never paid more than a menial salary. The real difference is that our "father and grandfather" were willing to work menial jobs and put their kids through college asking and expecting handouts from no one and you're not even willing to do it for yourself.

That menial salary could support a family. Many millions of Americans work those menial jobs so it is not a question of people being stuck up or too lazy to work them. The difference between the America of today is that those jobs do not pay enough to support a family on
All thanks to Republicans fighting to hold down minimum wage, worker protections and benefits

 

[kaz]

Many millions of Americans work those menial jobs so it is not a question of people being stuck up or too lazy to work them

I wasn't talking about people who work menial jobs, I was talking about you. You're the one asking for handouts. You're the one saying that they aren't capable of working out their own best deal for their own best job, government has to do it for them. I respect people who work hard, I don't respect whiners who run to government and then ignore the economic consequences of that. No company pays workers more then they are worth. You are not getting them "benefits" you are making them unemployed. I mean hello, have you checked the economy lately?

 

[rightwinger]

Many millions of Americans work those menial jobs so it is not a question of people being stuck up or too lazy to work them

I wasn't talking about people who work menial jobs, I was talking about you. You're the one asking for handouts. You're the one saying that they aren't capable of working out their own best deal for their own best job, government has to do it for them. I respect people who work hard, I don't respect whiners who run to government and then ignore the economic consequences of that. No company pays workers more then they are worth. You are not getting them "benefits" you are making them unemployed. I mean hello, have you checked the economy lately?

Polyanna......let's talk about the real world

One where those seeking menial jobs do not have much bargaining power, where union bargaining power has been diluted, benefits no longer exist, worker protections have eroded

Americans are not lazy. American workers are among the most productive on earth. American workers do not want handouts....they want a fair shake
American workers want to give an honest days work with an expectation that they will be able to support their families, someday buy a house, send their kids to College, be taken care of if they get sick and someday retire

 

[American_Jihad]

Well I guess the liberals don't wanna vote...It's OK, here's some FREE cheese to put on YO crackers anyway...

 

[IndependntLogic]

Obama wants to subsidize your life from cradle to grave

7/17/12

On radio this morning, Glenn spent the opening few minutes looking at the political philosophy of Barack Obama and what his policies reveal about the role of government. Unsurprisingly, he finds Obama to be one of the worst big government progressives of all time. But how bad is it? Worse than you’d think.

He started off by referencing a quote from Ross Douthat from a New York Times opinion piece:

“[T]he slide show’s vision of the individual’s relationship to the state seems designed to vindicate every conservative critique of the Obama-era Democratic Party. The liberalism of “the Life of Julia” doesn’t envision government spending the way an older liberalism did — as a backstop for otherwise self-sufficient working families, providing insurance against job loss, decrepitude and catastrophic illness. It offers a more sweeping vision of government’s place in society, in which the individual depends on the state at every stage of life, and no decision — personal, educational, entrepreneurial, sexual — can be contemplated without the promise that it will be somehow subsidized by Washington.”

Glenn said this is a much more eloquent way of summarizing Barack Obama’s philosophy than he would ever be able to articulate it.

He then played Obama’s shocking audio regarding individual success:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

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Obama wants to subsidize your life from cradle to grave – Glenn Beck

"Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You". John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961...
Sorry JFK it's the new progressive liberal America...................

Ah Glenn Beck. I miss him on tv! My favorite episode was when he described how Obama was going to enslave mankind by destroying Israel last year. My wife hates the guy and couldn't understand my occasional viewing until I explained: "Baby, there are people out there who actually take this whackjob seriously! And he's getting RICH off them! God Bless America!"

 

[Steelplate]

Torture is a liberal word game. No one supports actual torture. Democrats are just soft and weak, when gas prices are too high you think it's torture.

blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.

Unfortunately for you, you're not meek - you're fucking stupid. So the only thing you will inherit is a reputation of others laughing at you...

hey...I'll respond to two of your posts at one time...first this one....Fuck you.

now the previous one....show me in the Bible where it says we aren't supposed to help our poor, sick and elderly as a society.

 

[Steelplate]

Obama wants to subsidize your life from cradle to grave

7/17/12

On radio this morning, Glenn spent the opening few minutes looking at the political philosophy of Barack Obama and what his policies reveal about the role of government. Unsurprisingly, he finds Obama to be one of the worst big government progressives of all time. But how bad is it? Worse than you’d think.

He started off by referencing a quote from Ross Douthat from a New York Times opinion piece:

“[T]he slide show’s vision of the individual’s relationship to the state seems designed to vindicate every conservative critique of the Obama-era Democratic Party. The liberalism of “the Life of Julia” doesn’t envision government spending the way an older liberalism did — as a backstop for otherwise self-sufficient working families, providing insurance against job loss, decrepitude and catastrophic illness. It offers a more sweeping vision of government’s place in society, in which the individual depends on the state at every stage of life, and no decision — personal, educational, entrepreneurial, sexual — can be contemplated without the promise that it will be somehow subsidized by Washington.”

Glenn said this is a much more eloquent way of summarizing Barack Obama’s philosophy than he would ever be able to articulate it.

He then played Obama’s shocking audio regarding individual success:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

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Obama wants to subsidize your life from cradle to grave – Glenn Beck

"Ask Not What Your Country Can Do For You". John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961...
Sorry JFK it's the new progressive liberal America...................

Ah Glenn Beck. I miss him on tv! My favorite episode was when he described how Obama was going to enslave mankind by destroying Israel last year. My wife hates the guy and couldn't understand my occasional viewing until I explained: "Baby, there are people out there who actually take this whackjob seriously! And he's getting RICH off them! God Bless America!"

yep...and a good chunk of the people frequent this board.

 

[ScienceRocks]

blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.

Unfortunately for you, you're not meek - you're fucking stupid. So the only thing you will inherit is a reputation of others laughing at you...

hey...I'll respond to two of your posts at one time...first this one....Fuck you.

now the previous one....show me in the Bible where it says we aren't supposed to help our poor, sick and elderly as a society.

When you set up a cradle to grave system, people are going to quit their jobs and take advantage of it, as people are taking advantage of our food stamp system under Obama. I oppose such a system as pretty soon you have a majority of your population sucking off of an ever Lessing tax paying population. It isn't sustainable.

This has occurred with SSD over the past few years as more people are jumping on that than looking for work. Think it can't happen? That proves it can and will.

This is what we're talking about when we're talking about this country being turned into a European socialist system like Greece. It really isn't sustainable no matter how much you wish it was so.

 

[daveman]

blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.

Unfortunately for you, you're not meek - you're fucking stupid. So the only thing you will inherit is a reputation of others laughing at you...

hey...I'll respond to two of your posts at one time...first this one....Fuck you.

now the previous one....show me in the Bible where it says we aren't supposed to help our poor, sick and elderly as a society.

We're supposed to help individually. Generosity mandated by threat of government force isn't really generosity.

Furthermore:

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
-- 2 Thessalonians 3:10

 

[The T]

Unfortunately for you, you're not meek - you're fucking stupid. So the only thing you will inherit is a reputation of others laughing at you...

hey...I'll respond to two of your posts at one time...first this one....Fuck you.

now the previous one....show me in the Bible where it says we aren't supposed to help our poor, sick and elderly as a society.

We're supposed to help individually. Generosity mandated by threat of government force isn't really generosity.

Furthermore:

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
-- 2 Thessalonians 3:10

How long will it be before you are accused of 'pushing your religion' and wanting a Theocracy?

 

[GuyPinestra]

hey...i'll respond to two of your posts at one time...first this one....fuck you.

Now the previous one....show me in the bible where it says we aren't supposed to help our poor, sick and elderly as a society.

we're supposed to help individually. Generosity mandated by threat of government force isn't really generosity.

Furthermore:

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "if a man will not work, he shall not eat."
-- 2 thessalonians 3:10

how long will it be before you are accused of 'pushing your religion' and wanting a theocracy?

5...
4...
3...
2...
1...

 

[daveman]

hey...I'll respond to two of your posts at one time...first this one....Fuck you.

now the previous one....show me in the Bible where it says we aren't supposed to help our poor, sick and elderly as a society.

We're supposed to help individually. Generosity mandated by threat of government force isn't really generosity.

Furthermore:

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
-- 2 Thessalonians 3:10

How long will it be before you are accused of 'pushing your religion' and wanting a Theocracy?

Not long at all.

 

[The T]

we're supposed to help individually. Generosity mandated by threat of government force isn't really generosity.

Furthermore:

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "if a man will not work, he shall not eat."
-- 2 thessalonians 3:10

how long will it be before you are accused of 'pushing your religion' and wanting a theocracy?

5...
4...
3...
2...
1...

 

[The T]

we're supposed to help individually. Generosity mandated by threat of government force isn't really generosity.

Furthermore:

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "if a man will not work, he shall not eat."
-- 2 thessalonians 3:10

how long will it be before you are accused of 'pushing your religion' and wanting a theocracy?

not long at all.

 

[Londoner]

America is not the same land of opportunity it was for my father or grandfather. In their America you could get a menial job, hopefully a union job, work 40 hours a week and support your family of four or five kids on a single salary. On that salary you could buy a house, a car, health insurance and send your kids to college. All without your wife having to work
America is no longer that land of opportunity. Menial jobs will no longer afford the American dream. You can now only afford two kids and must go into debt to send them to college. Your boss no longer wants to provide healthcare. Your wife must work if you want anything near the standard of living your father and grandfather
This is the America envisioned by the Reagan Revolution.

Prior to Reagan the country invested in the upward mobility of the middle class. The point of New Deal Liberalism was to ensure that the middle class had high wages, good benefits, and affordable education, and affordable medical care, and [things like] public transportation. These things gave them more money for consumption, which resulted in the most powerful domestic economy in world history. [please compare FDR's wage-based consumption to Reagan's credit based consumption. American families were flooded with credit cards in the 80s to make up for their falling wages. The result was "Morning in America", which eventually turned into a nightmare of debt that eventually crashed under Bush] Regardless, FDR's postwar middle class policies were exactly what allowed so many middle class families to send their children to college. This is why America was called the land of opportunity - because workers were given a larger share of the money made off their backs. This lead to spectacular consumer demand, which ended up causing the capitalist to innovate and add jobs to capture all that consumer-spending-money.

Problem is: corporations didn't like the Labor, tax and regulatory policies associated with a strong upwardly mobile middle class. They preferred the 3rd world model of ultra cheap labor costs (i.e., higher returns) and ultra low taxes (so the tax savings would be freed up to buy elections and media pundits in order to manipulate laws and opinions).

Welcome to the effect of our 30 year war on the middle class. Now, it's not government which runs the country on behalf of all the people, it's a narrow group of wealthy special interests which run the world by investing in elections on multiple continents so they can have cheap labor and cheap raw material everywhere. They have transferred the globe into lords and serfs. The nation state is irrelevant (-Walmart and it's political party, the GOP, is more loyal to Chense manufacturing than the American middle class). The capitalist isn't beholden to his nation any more. His wealth doesn't go to his home country. It lives offshore and goes to the most oppressed (high returns) labor force. If the capitalist can make more money by shipping jobs to Mexico or Grenada, than so be it. The point of the Reagan revolution was to enable a whole new level of profit by getting rid of middle class labor. We are now living the consequences. The jobs are gone. America no longer makes anything. This is why tax cuts for the wealthy don't turn into American jobs. The whole point of the last 30 years was to move those jobs to the 3rd world.

And just like the time of lords and serfs, we will see a war against science. Why? Because when the world has a growing number of impoverished people, the resulting desperation breeds religion, which is a tool of social control to give false hope to the hopeless. This is why the Rightwing has embraced religion so thoroughly: because religion is the age-old instrument for managing the have nots.

Welcome to the final results of the Reagan Revolution. Corporations and the wealthy run the world. They fund every election and staff every government. And when a man like Obama slips through the electoral cracks, they use their vast media assets to crush him.

The middle class and upward mobility are gone. The game is over.

 

[Pho_King]

America is not the same land of opportunity it was for my father or grandfather. In their America you could get a menial job, hopefully a union job, work 40 hours a week and support your family of four or five kids on a single salary. On that salary you could buy a house, a car, health insurance and send your kids to college. All without your wife having to work
America is no longer that land of opportunity. Menial jobs will no longer afford the American dream. You can now only afford two kids and must go into debt to send them to college. Your boss no longer wants to provide healthcare. Your wife must work if you want anything near the standard of living your father and grandfather
This is the America envisioned by the Reagan Revolution.

Your rose colored revisionism. Menial jobs never paid more than a menial salary. The real difference is that our "father and grandfather" were willing to work menial jobs and put their kids through college asking and expecting handouts from no one and you're not even willing to do it for yourself.

That menial salary could support a family. Many millions of Americans work those menial jobs so it is not a question of people being stuck up or too lazy to work them. The difference between the America of today is that those jobs do not pay enough to support a family on
All thanks to Republicans fighting to hold down minimum wage, worker protections and benefits

If only we could force the owners of sandwich shops to pay those sign spinners enough to support their family, buy a house, and send their kids to college.....

Fucking parasites.