Who really owns Palestine?

[Billo_Really]

Nothing more pathetic than a White Irish Catholic pussy.

Nice try.

 

[Indeependent]

Nothing more pathetic than a White Irish Catholic pussy.

Nice try.

My whole family has been there many times.
I have relatives there.
I have friends there.

What do you have?
A failed Irish Naval escort to arm murderous Gazans?

 

[Billo_Really]

My whole family has been there many times.
I have relatives there.
I have friends there.

What do you have?
A failed Irish Naval escort to arm murderous Gazans?

That still doesn't give you the right to torture children.

 

[Indeependent]

My whole family has been there many times.
I have relatives there.
I have friends there.

What do you have?
A failed Irish Naval escort to arm murderous Gazans?

That still doesn't give you the right to torture children.

And my posting does not give you the right to say people I know in the IDF are torturing children.
Now when are you going to get off your White trash Jew hating a$$ and pay a visit to the nation you are constantly condemning?

 

[aris2chat]

My whole family has been there many times.
I have relatives there.
I have friends there.

What do you have?
A failed Irish Naval escort to arm murderous Gazans?

That still doesn't give you the right to torture children.

You go to a prison in almost any country and interview the children, a good many will have some tail of how horrid it is.

Even in the cold they still have to go from one building to another, or just to get some fresh air.

Torture was common place in syria and iraq, even of children. I've seen torture and executions in syria. I know turkey prisons used to horrific. Egypt will shove people in like sardines in a cage waiting to be called to court Prisons in the middle east are not vacation spas.....and yes a stone is a weapon that can kill.

Maybe the palestinian should stop teaching their children lies, insults and violence. This is has been ongoing and needs to be stopped. Teach the children to behave and they won't get into trouble or get arrested.

 

[Billo_Really]

You go to a prison in almost any country and interview the children, a good many will have some tail of how horrid it is.

Even in the cold they still have to go from one building to another, or just to get some fresh air.

Torture was common place in syria and iraq, even of children. I've seen torture and executions in syria. I know turkey prisons used to horrific. Egypt will shove people in like sardines in a cage waiting to be called to court Prisons in the middle east are not vacation spas.....and yes a stone is a weapon that can kill.

You started a thread asking for peace, yet you think its okay to torture Palestinian children? I guess that was a bullshit thread and you really don't want peace?

Maybe the palestinian should stop teaching their children lies, insults and violence. This is has been ongoing and needs to be stopped. Teach the children to behave and they won't get into trouble or get arrested.

I think the Israeli occupation is teaching them all the hate and violence they need.

 

[Billo_Really]

And my posting does not give you the right to say people I know in the IDF are torturing children.

I didn't say anything about the people you know in the IDF. My comments are about the prison officials and Israeli government that is allowing Palestinian children to be tortured.

I could care less about the people you know in the IDF.

Now when are you going to get off your White trash Jew hating a$$ and pay a visit to the nation you are constantly condemning?

I don't hate jews and you certainly can't explain why I would. That's just what you call people when you have no valid argument to defend Israeli actions with.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course they have a legitimate claim to the land... They lived on it and worked on it for 2 thousand years.

There is no way to dismiss the human and civil rights of others.

Umm, no. The arab beggars and squatters were immigrants largely from from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon.

Not according to the Ottoman Census of 1840.

Not that any of that matters for much. The important part is that when Palestine's international borders were defined all of the people whose normal residence was inside those borders became Palestinians with Palestinian citizenship.

How long they had lived there, their nationality, or their religion were irrelevant.

 

[Indeependent]

And my posting does not give you the right to say people I know in the IDF are torturing children.

I didn't say anything about the people you know in the IDF. My comments are about the prison officials and Israeli government that is allowing Palestinian children to be tortured.

I could care less about the people you know in the IDF.

Now when are you going to get off your White trash Jew hating a$$ and pay a visit to the nation you are constantly condemning?

I don't hate jews and you certainly can't explain why I would. That's just what you call people when you have no valid argument to defend Israeli actions with.

And just exactly what would happen if the 1967 borders were restored?
You bet your a$$ there would be another war.

 

[Indeependent]

Umm, no. The arab beggars and squatters were immigrants largely from from Egypt, Syria, Lebanon.

Not according to the Ottoman Census of 1840.

How long they had lived there, their nationality, or their religion were irrelevant.

Bull; their Jordanian master told them to scram out of the way of the tanks.
War started by Jordanian lost by Jordanians.
Land won...eat sh!t.

 

[Billo_Really]

Bull; their Jordanian master told them to scram out of the way of the tanks.
War started by Jordanian lost by Jordanians.
Land won...eat sh!t.

No one leaves a home they've been living in for generations just because someone asked them to. That's ridiculous.

And army's going in to ensure the land rights of these people would not ask them to leave it. That is also ridiculous.

And finally, it is illegal to hold onto land seized in a war.

 

[Billo_Really]

And just exactly what would happen if the 1967 borders were restored?
You bet your a$$ there would be another war.

What do you mean "if"? That will happen. There is no way the world will allow Israel to keep that land. Period.

And if there is another war, it will be because Israel started it, just like they did the last 6 wars they've been in.

 

[abu afak]

Removing foreigners is not ethnic cleansing.

I agree. "Palestinian" arab beggars and squatters being returned to their homelands of Syria, Egypt, Lebanon is the correct course of action.

And, specifically, who would that be. Do you have any numbers or are you just shoveling shit?

All the ones without 'keys', and Half of those With them.
Old keys (also from Syria) are big biz in Palestine.
A 'Must have' among the chic oppressed.
`

 

[Hossfly]

And just exactly what would happen if the 1967 borders were restored?
You bet your a$$ there would be another war.

What do you mean "if"? That will happen. There is no way the world will allow Israel to keep that land. Period.

And if there is another war, it will be because Israel started it, just like they did the last 6 wars they've been in.

The stuff you've been smoking will rot your br..........er, gizzard.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

And my posting does not give you the right to say people I know in the IDF are torturing children.

I didn't say anything about the people you know in the IDF. My comments are about the prison officials and Israeli government that is allowing Palestinian children to be tortured.

I could care less about the people you know in the IDF.

Now when are you going to get off your White trash Jew hating a$$ and pay a visit to the nation you are constantly condemning?

I don't hate jews and you certainly can't explain why I would. That's just what you call people when you have no valid argument to defend Israeli actions with.

And just exactly what would happen if the 1967 borders were restored?
You bet your a$$ there would be another war.

ISRAEL would start it.

 

[Hollie]

No.

This thread is about Palestine.

And, ethnic cleansing is what it is - regardless of how many times or how long it is allowed to take place.

And, ethnic cleansing is what it is. Well, yes. We call that stating the obvious.

However, you have made no case for any ethnic cleansing™ taking place. On the other hand, the near elimination of competing religions and the adherents of those religions from Moslem Lands makes a strong case for ethnic cleansing being an act of islamist intolerance.

What you avoided addressing is the fact that Israel has repeatedly shown a willingness to trade land acquired as a result of Islamist aggression for peace. Not surprisingly, you haven't addressed the local franchisee of Islamic Terrorism Intl., Inc., ie:, Hamas which has a goal of total destruction of Israel and the resultant killing of every Jew in that nation.




"Our aim is the full restoration of the rights of the Palestinian people. In other words, we aim at the destruction of the State of Israel. The immediate aim: perfection of Arab military might. The national aim: the eradication of Israel." -- President Nasser of Egypt, November 18, 1965


"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight . . . The mining of Sharm el Sheikh is a confrontation with Israel. Adopting this measure obligates us to be ready to embark on a general war with Israel." -- Nasser, May 27, 1967


"We will not accept any ... coexistence with Israel. ... Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel .... The war with Israel is in effect since 1948." -- Nasser, May 28, 1967


"All of the Arab armies now surround Israel. The UAR, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Lebanon, Algeria, Sudan, and Kuwait. ... There is no difference between one Arab people and another, no difference between one Arab army and another." -- King Hussein of Jordan, after signing the pact with Egypt May 30, 1967


"The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear ... to wipe Israel off the map. We shall, God willing, meet in Tel Aviv and Haifa." -- President Abdel Rahman Aref of Iraq, May 31, 1967


"This is a fight for the homeland ... it is either us or the Israelis. There is no middle road. The Jews of Palestine will have to leave. We will facilitate their departure to their former homes. Any of the old Palestine Jewish population who survive may stay, but it is my impression that none of them will survive." -- Ahmed Shukairy, Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization, June 1, 1967


"We shall destroy Israel and its inhabitants and as for the survivors, if there are any,... the boats are ready to deport them." -- Shukairy, June 1, 1967, speaking at a Friday sermon in Jerusalem


Syria's forces are "ready not only to repulse the aggression, but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united.... I as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation." -- Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad, May 20, 1967

Sources:
1) Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, Martin Gilbert, 1993
2) Six Days of War: June 1967 and the Making of the Modern Middle East, Michael B. Oren, 2002



So, explain the concept of "ethnic cleansing" to us.

Many decades old statements from people who are NOT citizens of Palestine.

Why do you even bother posting?

If you want to join the conversation, please look at a map and read some news - from THIS century.

What's curious is that you brought up the canard of ethnic cleansing of "palestinian" arabs. Yet, when confronted with the goals and aspirations of Arabs/Moslems, you're unable to address it.

 

[Hollie]

I didn't say anything about the people you know in the IDF. My comments are about the prison officials and Israeli government that is allowing Palestinian children to be tortured.

I could care less about the people you know in the IDF.

I don't hate jews and you certainly can't explain why I would. That's just what you call people when you have no valid argument to defend Israeli actions with.

And just exactly what would happen if the 1967 borders were restored?
You bet your a$$ there would be another war.

ISRAEL would start it.

You're clueless. Israel would have no reason to start a war. On the other hand, your islamist terrorist heroes in Hamas still have that caliphate thing to strive for.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And, ethnic cleansing is what it is. Well, yes. We call that stating the obvious.

However, you have made no case for any ethnic cleansing™ taking place. On the other hand, the near elimination of competing religions and the adherents of those religions from Moslem Lands makes a strong case for ethnic cleansing being an act of islamist intolerance.

What you avoided addressing is the fact that Israel has repeatedly shown a willingness to trade land acquired as a result of Islamist aggression for peace. Not surprisingly, you haven't addressed the local franchisee of Islamic Terrorism Intl., Inc., ie:, Hamas which has a goal of total destruction of Israel and the resultant killing of every Jew in that nation.




"Our aim is the full restoration of the rights of the Palestinian people. In other words, we aim at the destruction of the State of Israel. The immediate aim: perfection of Arab military might. The national aim: the eradication of Israel." -- President Nasser of Egypt, November 18, 1965


"Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight . . . The mining of Sharm el Sheikh is a confrontation with Israel. Adopting this measure obligates us to be ready to embark on a general war with Israel." -- Nasser, May 27, 1967


"We will not accept any ... coexistence with Israel. ... Today the issue is not the establishment of peace between the Arab states and Israel .... The war with Israel is in effect since 1948." -- Nasser, May 28, 1967


"All of the Arab armies now surround Israel. The UAR, Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Lebanon, Algeria, Sudan, and Kuwait. ... There is no difference between one Arab people and another, no difference between one Arab army and another." -- King Hussein of Jordan, after signing the pact with Egypt May 30, 1967


"The existence of Israel is an error which must be rectified. This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear ... to wipe Israel off the map. We shall, God willing, meet in Tel Aviv and Haifa." -- President Abdel Rahman Aref of Iraq, May 31, 1967


"This is a fight for the homeland ... it is either us or the Israelis. There is no middle road. The Jews of Palestine will have to leave. We will facilitate their departure to their former homes. Any of the old Palestine Jewish population who survive may stay, but it is my impression that none of them will survive." -- Ahmed Shukairy, Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization, June 1, 1967


"We shall destroy Israel and its inhabitants and as for the survivors, if there are any,... the boats are ready to deport them." -- Shukairy, June 1, 1967, speaking at a Friday sermon in Jerusalem


Syria's forces are "ready not only to repulse the aggression, but to initiate the act of liberation itself, and to explode the Zionist presence in the Arab homeland. The Syrian army, with its finger on the trigger, is united.... I as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation." -- Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad, May 20, 1967

Sources:
1) Atlas of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, Martin Gilbert, 1993
2) Six Days of War: June 1967 and the Making of the Modern Middle East, Michael B. Oren, 2002



So, explain the concept of "ethnic cleansing" to us.

Many decades old statements from people who are NOT citizens of Palestine.

Why do you even bother posting?

If you want to join the conversation, please look at a map and read some news - from THIS century.

What's curious is that you brought up the canard of ethnic cleansing of "palestinian" arabs. Yet, when confronted with the goals and aspirations of Arabs/Moslems, you're unable to address it.

Who are the Palestinians ethnic cleansing?

 

[Hollie]

Why don't you and the Bund go in there and run them there Jews off?

This isn't about jews.

Of course it is. In the Mohammedan mindset, everything is about Jews.

 

[Shaarona]

Not according to the Ottoman Census of 1840.

How long they had lived there, their nationality, or their religion were irrelevant.

Bull; their Jordanian master told them to scram out of the way of the tanks.
War started by Jordanian lost by Jordanians.
Land won...eat sh!t.

Jordan didn't start the Six Day War... Israel did and planned it as a landgrab from 1953.