Who did what?

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    I dare the left to dispute these facts, and do so with proof, not retarded leftwing rhetoric.
    I give thee.......how shit really happened!!!!

    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blcC_kCnf8U]Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Coveri - YouTube[/ame]
    Wow, The gop wanting to regulate a bloated Democrat program while the Dems push very hard back. Wonder who is to blame for the housing crisis that started the recession of 2008?

    Democrats as far as the constitution goes and controlling the people. Also note that Bill Mahrer says we are not bright enough to understand the issues, he is the typical elitist, dumber than a box of rocks and more than willing to suck black balls.

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    Rahm Emmanual, gotta love that guy right lefties? He is just the beginning of this one.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIm6LCeBpSM]Election 2010 - Democrats in their own words - part 1 - YouTube[/ame]

    Is this what you want liberals? Do you want a bureaucracy controlling the power to your car? The power to your home? Your every waking second? When will you stand by the rest of us and let it end?
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    And for my grand fanally*sp it's not just the Dems fault, it's both sides, you morons.
    Barrack Obama came along just at the right time to trick all of you. You have been fooled, dont say shit if you dont watch the below film in it's fullness, because if you dont you have no right to. This is us against them, not left vs right, but the people vs washington.

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    Yeah right...we're going to sit through video after video to find out what the point of this thead is.
     
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    well, he isn't very bright.
     
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    Haven't watched the clips, but I'm pretty sure I already know what they say. And - working on that assumption - it's hard to dispute the facts of what happened.

    Having said that, it would be remarkably easy to put up an equal number of clips showing the equally shameful behavior from the Republicans.

    Both parties worked very hard to destroy this country's economy. And both parties should be held accountable. The shame of it is that posters on both sides are too damned partisan to do so. Have some spine - hold your own parties accountable.
     
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    I disagree on this. The Dems were largely responsible for lack of oversight on Fannie/Freddie. The Wall St Journal rann editorials on this lack of transparancy with Freddie probably 2 years before the crisis.
    The GOP is not blameless in the economic debacle (Bush appointed Bernanke) but on Fan/Fred the fault is entirely with the Dums.
     
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    True. They absolutely shoulder the majority of 'blame' for Fannie/Freddie. But, guess what, that was only partially responsible for the current clusterfuck. It took a concerted effort - by both parties (and a whole bunch of other greedy corrupt bastards) to get us to where we are.

    In order to understand why we are here, how it happened and why.... people need to stop looking at parts of the issue and put all the pieces into the jigsaw. Why are people too scared to do that?
     
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    fannie/freddie was bad but it was the least of it. deregulation and a refusal to enforce existing regulations was by far.. the larger part of it. and, frankly, cutting taxes during wartime for the first time in recorded history is a far greater problem and the refusal to fix that is the largest obstacle to getting our house back in order now.
     
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    Could you cite which deregulation and refusal to enforce existing regs caused what.
    The debt to gdp was just fine during Bush's administration. It wasn't an issue until Obama doubled down on stupid and boosted spending in a recession, causing an unprecedented downgrade in our credit rating.

    Of course I will get no response because you are unable to defend your views.
     
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    As I said, Fannie/Freddie alone would not have collapsed the economy. That took really bad decisions from both sides, and some pretty damned atrocious bi-partisan screw ups... along with with some horrifically bad business within the banking industry, out of control greed from unions, and some generally stupid behavior by Americans to drag us down into this abyss.

    Truthfully, we should focus on who and how can we fix it instead of bitching about the other party. My opinion, which is based on a decent understanding of economics, is that austerity is the only way to build a sustainable, long term fix. These quick fixes - temporary job boosts might be popular - but they create a fake recovery and we will have to pay the piper later for it. I personally think we would be better off to pay it now. And, yea, that is unpopular and will be incredibly hard on most of us.
     
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    the bolded part... yep.

    but the problem is too many people play politics with our economy. and for at least some, it behooves them for things not to improve before november 2012.

    (i disagree with your solution, too, but i figure that i'd stick with what we can agree on).
     

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