Who are the real Nazis?

[koshergrl]

We here both sides of the political isle call the other a Nazi.

As a result, the terms has been bastardized.

Much like the term racist, the term Nazi seems to be applied ONLY because someone opposes you politically.

However, to cut through the BS, let's study why each side calls the other a Nazi.

What did the Nazi ideology believe?

1. The white race is superior. Dark colored skin, not so much. Or perhaps you switch the colors around.
2. Genocide is an acceptable alternative to what we perceive as a human problem. It's just a matter of who is not considered your equal as a human being.
3. A massive nanny state is needed. Free medical, retirement, education, etc. Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy that needs to be destroyed.
4. Society must have strong environmental and animal rights laws.
5. Society must have gun control. Society does not want the wrong kinds of people owning guns.
6. Society must have a strong centralized authoritarian government to implement a nanny state and a large military
7. Massive debt is needed to maintain the nanny state and massive military. It matters little how much debt it takes.

So who does the Nazi ideology mirror more closely? Do they mirror you or those you oppose politically?

Don't forget propaganda. You seem to be an expert..., at disguising it.

Fact is always propaganda to those who want control but aren’t bright enough to realize it.

No, it's not. You imbecile.

Behavior patterns have inevitable consequences.
Most people do want to recognize that fact.

Do you always just spout random idiocy? What does that have to do with your "fact is always propaganda" blah blah blah stupidity? Fucking focus. Or shut up.

 

[Some Guy]

If you need to call someone a Nazi, then you probably don't have much of an argument and/or can't sufficiently articulate said argument(s) for why that person is, in fact, a Nazi.

Labels are dangerous and counter productive. If you want to point out some dangers of someone's rhetoric and behavior then i'm all ears. If you want to immediately jump toward a prejudicial and extreme label, then you're going to lose me. It's just the nature of someone who's at least a little intelligent.

 

[koshergrl]

Fascism is nothing more than national socialism.
You partisans and your constant bullshit bickering is getting so goddamn old...
"fascism is left wing"
"fascism is right wing you NAZI fuck!!"
Who gives a shit either way? Its fucking tyranny REGARDLESS

Well Harley - I'd put it this way -
Not all Trump voters are racist, xenophobic, jerks ...
But all racist, xenophobic jerks voted for Trump

Most CEOs and leaders are narcissit sociopaths. Steve Jobs, Jack Welch, Bill Gates, Jamie Dimon...that is how they become successful CEOs. Research it. Doesn't mean they don't want what is best for their company.

We've never had a POTUS that didn't have a large ego, but sorry .. Donald takes it to new heights.

He's flat out INSANE

100% subjective. People thought Bezos was insane too when he started selling books online. The delta between genius and insane lies in results. Trump is very confident for sure. I don't see anything that makes him "insane". You of course are entitled to your opinion but I cannot follow the logic.

Logic has nothing to do with anything leftists engage in.

 

[Indeependent]

We here both sides of the political isle call the other a Nazi.

As a result, the terms has been bastardized.

Much like the term racist, the term Nazi seems to be applied ONLY because someone opposes you politically.

However, to cut through the BS, let's study why each side calls the other a Nazi.

What did the Nazi ideology believe?

1. The white race is superior. Dark colored skin, not so much. Or perhaps you switch the colors around.
2. Genocide is an acceptable alternative to what we perceive as a human problem. It's just a matter of who is not considered your equal as a human being.
3. A massive nanny state is needed. Free medical, retirement, education, etc. Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy that needs to be destroyed.
4. Society must have strong environmental and animal rights laws.
5. Society must have gun control. Society does not want the wrong kinds of people owning guns.
6. Society must have a strong centralized authoritarian government to implement a nanny state and a large military
7. Massive debt is needed to maintain the nanny state and massive military. It matters little how much debt it takes.

So who does the Nazi ideology mirror more closely? Do they mirror you or those you oppose politically?

Don't forget propaganda. You seem to be an expert..., at disguising it.

Fact is always propaganda to those who want control but aren’t bright enough to realize it.

No, it's not. You imbecile.

Behavior patterns have inevitable consequences.
Most people do want to recognize that fact.

Do you always just spout random idiocy? What does that have to do with your "fact is always propaganda" blah blah blah stupidity? Fucking focus. Or shut up.

Define propaganda.

 

[koshergrl]

If you need to call someone a Nazi, then you probably don't have much of an argument and/or can't sufficiently articulate said argument(s) for why that person is, in fact, a Nazi.

Labels are dangerous and counter productive. If you want to point out some dangers of someone's rhetoric and behavior then i'm all ears. If you want to immediately jump toward a prejudicial and extreme label, then you're going to lose me. It's just the nature of someone who's at least a little intelligent.

Shut the fuck up, nazi.

 

[Indeependent]

Fascism is nothing more than national socialism.
You partisans and your constant bullshit bickering is getting so goddamn old...
"fascism is left wing"
"fascism is right wing you NAZI fuck!!"
Who gives a shit either way? Its fucking tyranny REGARDLESS

Well Harley - I'd put it this way -
Not all Trump voters are racist, xenophobic, jerks ...
But all racist, xenophobic jerks voted for Trump

Most CEOs and leaders are narcissit sociopaths. Steve Jobs, Jack Welch, Bill Gates, Jamie Dimon...that is how they become successful CEOs. Research it. Doesn't mean they don't want what is best for their company.

We've never had a POTUS that didn't have a large ego, but sorry .. Donald takes it to new heights.

He's flat out INSANE

100% subjective. People thought Bezos was insane too when he started selling books online. The delta between genius and insane lies in results. Trump is very confident for sure. I don't see anything that makes him "insane". You of course are entitled to your opinion but I cannot follow the logic.

Logic has nothing to do with anything leftists engage in.

Are you an idiot?
That the problem with Liberal propaganda.

 

[koshergrl]

Don't forget propaganda. You seem to be an expert..., at disguising it.

Fact is always propaganda to those who want control but aren’t bright enough to realize it.

No, it's not. You imbecile.

Behavior patterns have inevitable consequences.
Most people do want to recognize that fact.

Do you always just spout random idiocy? What does that have to do with your "fact is always propaganda" blah blah blah stupidity? Fucking focus. Or shut up.

Define propaganda.

Fuck you. You define propaganda.

I take that as you answering that yes, you do just spout random idiocy.

And that means you go on ignore. I advise everybody else to do the same. You actually suck the intelligence out of the room. You and that nitwit SomeGay are equally worthless.

 

[Votto]

If you need to call someone a Nazi, then you probably don't have much of an argument and/or can't sufficiently articulate said argument(s) for why that person is, in fact, a Nazi.

Labels are dangerous and counter productive. If you want to point out some dangers of someone's rhetoric and behavior then i'm all ears. If you want to immediately jump toward a prejudicial and extreme label, then you're going to lose me. It's just the nature of someone who's at least a little intelligent.

Forget the name calling.

How many of the Nazi ideology do you accept or reject in the original OP?

 

[Indeependent]

Fact is always propaganda to those who want control but aren’t bright enough to realize it.

No, it's not. You imbecile.

Behavior patterns have inevitable consequences.
Most people do want to recognize that fact.

Do you always just spout random idiocy? What does that have to do with your "fact is always propaganda" blah blah blah stupidity? Fucking focus. Or shut up.

Define propaganda.

Fuck you. You define propaganda.

I take that as you answering that yes, you do just spout random idiocy.

And that means you go on ignore. I advise everybody else to do the same. You actually suck the intelligence out of the room. You and that nitwit SomeGay are equally worthless.

Please put me on Ignore and drink lots of coffee.

 

[DrLove]

Nazis were socialists, they are left, not right

The National Socialist German Workers’ Party and say a Democratic Socialist such as Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez had absolutely nothing in common. Nazis were first and foremost German White Nationalists. Learn something.

The assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.​

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

 

[Some Guy]

Fact is always propaganda to those who want control but aren’t bright enough to realize it.

No, it's not. You imbecile.

Behavior patterns have inevitable consequences.
Most people do want to recognize that fact.

Do you always just spout random idiocy? What does that have to do with your "fact is always propaganda" blah blah blah stupidity? Fucking focus. Or shut up.

Define propaganda.

Fuck you. You define propaganda.

I take that as you answering that yes, you do just spout random idiocy.

And that means you go on ignore. I advise everybody else to do the same. You actually suck the intelligence out of the room. You and that nitwit SomeGay are equally worthless.

I see we've graduated to homophobic insults. You're making stellar progress.

 

[kaz]

Nazis were Fascists - Fascists are defined as "far right wing/ authoritarian".
Other than gun control, Trumptards come closest.

Nazis were socialists, they are left, not right

They did not fit the precise definition of socialist, which is that government owns industry in name.

Hitler said that nationalizing industry was not needed when all you had to do was nationalize the people.

Make no mistake, industry was not taken over by the Nazi regime, but they certainly manipulated them any way they wished.

So the reason they called themselves socialists was, they hated democracy and wished to have a massive nanny state. In essence, fit the term socialist perfectly in every respect EXCEPTE in owning industry by name.

The reason is that the German people rose up in protest during WW1 because of poor living conditions, something Hitler feared greatly, so he just bought off a war weary populace steeped in genocide.

Shrug, it worked.

This should be sobering so that we don't do the same. Just looking at issues like abortion, it appears it is working today as well. After all, kids are expensive and now the state wishes tax payers to fund their extermination to improve our living standards as well.

In fact, most people have abortions based on money concerns.

Of course they were socialists. Socialism is central economic planning. Central economic planning can be done only by government because only government can compel the people to do things that are not in their own economic interest.

German industry took economic direction from the government, built what government told them to build and were required to clear every significant decision with government.

To argue what is written on an irrelevant piece of paper makes them not truly socialist is absurd.

Also, their name was the Socialist party. They knew what they were

 

[Indeependent]

Nazis were socialists, they are left, not right

The National Socialist German Workers’ Party and say a Democratic Socialist such as Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez had absolutely nothing in common. Nazis were first and foremost German White Nationalists. Learn something.

The assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.​

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

Alexandra and Bernie, in fact have little in common.
Sanders is well versed in bullshit of the politcal process.
His major mistake was presenting himself to the left of Hillary.

 

[Indeependent]

No, it's not. You imbecile.

Behavior patterns have inevitable consequences.
Most people do want to recognize that fact.

Do you always just spout random idiocy? What does that have to do with your "fact is always propaganda" blah blah blah stupidity? Fucking focus. Or shut up.

Define propaganda.

Fuck you. You define propaganda.

I take that as you answering that yes, you do just spout random idiocy.

And that means you go on ignore. I advise everybody else to do the same. You actually suck the intelligence out of the room. You and that nitwit SomeGay are equally worthless.

I see we've graduated to homophobic insults. You're making stellar progress.

KG is a tad psychotic.

 

[Votto]

Nazis were socialists, they are left, not right

The National Socialist German Workers’ Party and say a Democratic Socialist such as Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez had absolutely nothing in common. Nazis were first and foremost German White Nationalists. Learn something.

The assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.​

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

They have nothing in common?

I call BS!

National Socialist Party of Germany (NAZI), quotes about Nazi:
We ask that government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within the confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: ... an end to the power of financial interest. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand ... the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education.... We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents.... The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor -- by the greatest possible support for all groups concerned with the physical education of youth. [W]e combat the ... materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.

The only thing they may differ is in racism, but then, I hear many anti-white threads and comments from those on the Left so I'm not too sure about that either.

Even Maxine Waters embraces an openly racist black and the media and those in government don't seem to care

 

[kaz]

Nazis were socialists, they are left, not right

The National Socialist German Workers’ Party and say a Democratic Socialist such as Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez had absolutely nothing in common. Nazis were first and foremost German White Nationalists. Learn something.

The assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.​

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

Socialism is an economic system. You're trying to conflate that with a political system. Socialism is a centrally managed economy. The Nazis were socialists, there's no way around that

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

WW II Germany = 100% Social Nationalism. That is not even debatable. Come on people. If we are going to have a cogent debate we cannot just blatantly change facts around.

 

[DrLove]

Fuck you. You define propaganda.

I take that as you answering that yes, you do just spout random idiocy.

And that means you go on ignore. I advise everybody else to do the same. You actually suck the intelligence out of the room. You and that nitwit SomeGay are equally worthless.

Please include an original quote so we can tell who the fuck you are talking to prior to flapping your foul mouth.
Because normally you are not worth reading or digging any deeper.

 

[Some Guy]

Nazis were socialists, they are left, not right

The National Socialist German Workers’ Party and say a Democratic Socialist such as Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez had absolutely nothing in common. Nazis were first and foremost German White Nationalists. Learn something.

The assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.​

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

Nazi was short for "national socialist." Fascism as a political ideology was meant to be a more palatable version of socialism whereby the government just directed the actions of private enterprise rather than seizing and/or controlling it, and that's what Hitler's Germany did. It had some "right-wing" elements to it as well though, but both parties in our country now from an economic standpoint are definitely not fascist: they take orders from private enterprise, not the other way around.

After Nazi Germany, people attach fascism with Hitler, and Hitler is naturally attached to genocide. So they basically make the "Fascism is genocide" connection. It doesn't wash for people who aren't stupid. No one who uses the word "fascist" as an insult or a label for someone doesn't really understand what it means. It's like calling someone an idiot or asshole: just a name with a negative connotation.

 

[kaz]

Nazis were socialists, they are left, not right

The National Socialist German Workers’ Party and say a Democratic Socialist such as Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez had absolutely nothing in common. Nazis were first and foremost German White Nationalists. Learn something.

The assumption that because the word “socialist” appeared in the party’s name and socialist words and ideas popped up in the writings and speeches of top Nazis then the Nazis must have been actual socialists is naive and ahistorical. What the evidence shows, on the contrary, is that Nazi Party leaders paid mere lip service to socialist ideals on the way to achieving their one true goal: raw, totalitarian power.​

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

They have nothing in common?

I call BS!

National Socialist Party of Germany (NAZI), quotes about Nazi:
We ask that government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within the confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: ... an end to the power of financial interest. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand ... the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our system of public education.... We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents.... The government must undertake the improvement of public health -- by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor -- by the greatest possible support for all groups concerned with the physical education of youth. [W]e combat the ... materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good.

The only thing they may differ is in racism, but then, I hear many anti-white threads and comments from those on the Left so I'm not too sure about that either.

Even Maxine Waters embraces an openly racist black and the media and those in government don't seem to care

Racism isn't left or right. Either side can be racist, but they aren't being left or right when they do it