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[Correll]

Stuff You Probably Shouldn’t Say to White People
Tuesday December 22nd 2015 by abagond



Some stuff you probably should not say to White Americans:

“racist” – never ever tell White people that they are racist or anything close to it. It can lead to something far worse than racism: hurt White feelings, like White women’s tears. It will only prove to them that you are the racist one.

“whitey”, “honky”, etc – racist, even if you have a suburban pass.

“cracker”, “vanilla”, “mayonnaise”, etc – comparing people to food is dehumanizing.

“Do you prefer to be called White or Caucasian?” – pointing out their race makes them uncomfortable. In fact, pointing out any difference makes them uncomfortable. Instead, make it about stuff you have in common, like sports or the weather. Certainly not history:

“slavery”, “genocide”, etc – do not bring up the bad parts of their history. Deep down they know they are among the most savage, terroristic and thuggish people in history, so do not rub their noses in it. Their fragile pride depends on maintaining a false sense of innocence.

“Black lives matter” – in some circles this could get you beat up. Many Whites believe “All lives matter”, where “all” means “only White”, as in the White saying, “all men are created equal.”

“Can I touch your hair?” White people are not a roving petting zoo provided for your curiosity.

“What are you?” – not a zoo animal.

“Is it true what they say about White guys?”, “Is your hair real?”, etc – rude because it is too personal.

“As a White person, what do you think about … “ This is insulting. Whites think of themselves as individuals, not part of a hive mind.

“Why do White people…” – this makes it seem like you stereotype them.

“Why do you people…” – this is even worse because the “you” is othering.

“I like White people”, “I like White culture”, etc – see “Do you prefer to be called White or Caucasian?”.

“I watch Hollywood films”, “I’m into Christian religion”, “I’m into White girls”, “I admire your leader Donald Trump”, etc – this is a better way to show you like White culture, but to bring it up out of the blue will seem odd. And that “into” is kind of creepy too. Also, do not assume that any given White person likes all of White culture. They are individuals with individual tastes, just like everyone else.

“You are pretty for a White girl” – even if true, this is a backhanded compliment. It assumes that most White women are not all that good looking.

“You speak such good English!” – another backhanded compliment. It assumes they are either foreign or lack intelligence.

“You look so exotic!“ – this says more about you than them.

“Where are you really from?” If they say they are from the US, why assume otherwise?

“Totally rad”, etc – overuse of outdated White slang will not put them at ease or make it seem like you are up on White culture. In fact, it will have the opposite effect.

– Abagond, 2015.

Stuff You Probably Shouldn’t Say to White People

I really need to link to this, in that thread where Rightwinger is claiming that multiculturalism isn't dead.

 

[IM2]

Buchanan on the kindness of white people
Friday May 8th 2009 by abagond

Pat Buchanan on why blacks should thank white Americans:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Ta-Nehisi Coates replies:

I always found this quote interesting because it originates from the same racist thinking that Byron York employed last week–that black people don’t actually count. In this instance, the idea isn’t about polling, it’s about taxes. By Buchanan’s lights, black people do not exist as tax-payers, but as social sponges. And the converse is true–no white people use government services, they simply pay taxes that are transferred to blacks.

Buchanan on the kindness of white people

Correll, you express the same racist beliefs as Buchanan.

 

[Correll]

Buchanan on the kindness of white people
Friday May 8th 2009 by abagond

Pat Buchanan on why blacks should thank white Americans:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Ta-Nehisi Coates replies:

I always found this quote interesting because it originates from the same racist thinking that Byron York employed last week–that black people don’t actually count. In this instance, the idea isn’t about polling, it’s about taxes. By Buchanan’s lights, black people do not exist as tax-payers, but as social sponges. And the converse is true–no white people use government services, they simply pay taxes that are transferred to blacks.

Buchanan on the kindness of white people

Correll, you express the same racist beliefs as Buchanan.

1. Stating the white people have paid taxes, does not imply that black people have not paid taxes.

2. Stating the black people use social services, does not imply that white people do not use social services.



D'uh.


Would you like to actually respond to what Pat Buchanan actually SAID.

 

[IM2]

The Republican bubble
Friday November 9th 2012 by abagond



The Republican bubble is the “parallel universe” that most Republicans in America live in, especially those on the hard right. It is a closed world of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, right-wing opinion and white people. They sound like they are nuts because they are nuts.

They are not trolling: they are not saying crackpot stuff to gain attention, listeners or votes. They are serious.

It does not come from philosophical differences, from seeing the facts in a different light. It is worse than that.

It comes from cutting themselves off from knowable facts, from a lack of respect for truth, from accepting so many lies that they can no longer tell spin from fact.

Most Democrats live in a bubble too, but not an equal and opposite one. It has a greater respect for fact. It is less shut off from the outside world.

On the night of the 2012 election, Barack Obama prepared a victory speech and a concession speech while Mitt Romney prepared only a victory speech.

Since June most polls had been saying Romney would lose. The very same polls that had foreseen a Bush win in 2004. Yet when defeat came Romney was “shell-shocked”. He did not see it coming.

It was not just Romney. Others on the right also thought he would win enough electoral college votes (270 or more):

• 273: Ann Coulter, Fox News
• 279: Karl Rove
• 300: Newt Gingrich
• 311: Dean Chambers, Unskewed Polls
• 315: Michael Barone, National Review
• 321: George Will, Washington Post
• 325: Dick Morris, The New York Post, Fox News

Rush Limbaugh:

Everything except the polls points to a Romney landslide.

Romney only got 206.

Nate Silver, the polling expert at the New York Times, had been saying 206 was the most likely outcome. The right dismissed it – even though last time in 2008 he was off by only one state.

Silver dealt in numbers and mathematics, contrary in spirit to the Republican bubble, which:

• still doubts evolution and global warming despite the science and
• for years doubted Obama was born in America despite the state records of Hawaii.

Only 38% of Republicans in Ohio think that President Obama killed Bin Laden. Some think Romney did (15%). The rest (47%) are not sure.

Romney in the last days wasted precious time in states he had no hope of winning, like Pennsylvania. As if he had no polling experts.

At the second debate he made a huge mistake about what President Obama had said on Libya – apparently because he believed Fox News and the National Review.

Huge numbers came out to see him speak. But nearly everyone was – white. Because he avoided black and Latino neighbourhoods. Republican bubble.

In 2008 when Sarah Palin did terribly in her debate many on the right thought she did great:

• David Brooks
• Fred Barnes
• Monica Crowley
• Pat Buchanan
• Peggy Noonan
• Rush Limbaugh
• Michelle Malkin
• Rudy Giuliani
• National Review

Though some disagreed:

• Charles Krauthammer
• George Will
• Juan Williams
• Andrew Sullivan
• The Economist

Compare: In 2012 when Obama did poorly in the first debate almost no one on the left thought he did great.

Sources: CBS News, Slate, Julian Sanchez, Public Policy Polling (PDF)

 

[IM2]

The Southern strategy
Thursday November 8th 2012 by abagond



The Southern strategy (1964-2012) is an American political strategy where Republicans win over angry white men, particularly in the South, by appealing to their racism. It has turned the Party of Lincoln into the party of white segregationists, both in the South and in white-flight suburbia. It has made the South the Republican heartland.

The Republicans champion policies that mainly benefit the rich, but to win elections they need millions to vote against their class interests. So they push issues based on race and religion: gay marriage, abortion, crime, welfare, drugs, food stamps, etc.

Reagan’s welfare queen is a good example. Reagan never said she was black. In fact, she was completely made up. But white stereotypes and white anger at taxes being “wasted” on blacks (read: unworthy people) took over from there. It gave ordinary white people a reason to favour tax cuts that mainly benefit the rich.


Nixon, Reagan and Goldwater in 1965

In the 1960s Barry Goldwater and George Wallace, on the heels of the civil rights reforms, were the the first to practise the Southern strategy but it did not work well outside the South.

Nixon turned it into something that worked nationwide by using less nakedly racist messages: racist dog whistles. For example, he would talk about “law and order”, letting his white racist listeners fill in the blanks about who the troublemakers were.

Lee Atwater, adviser to Reagan and Bush the Elder, put it this way in 1981:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “******, ******, ******.” By 1968 you can’t say “******” – that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like “forced busing”, “states’ rights” and all that stuff.

Willie Horton – do you hear the whistle?

In 1988 Atwater gave us the infamous Willie Horton ad, which played on white racist stereotypes and fears about “black” crime. It allowed him to paint Michael Dukakis, the Democratic candidate for president, as being “soft on crime” (Read: Not keeping those frightening black people in line).

In 1996 Roger Ailes, former Nixon media adviser, started Fox News, broadcasting racist dog whistles from coast to coast.

The Southern strategy broke the back of Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal coalition of working-class blacks and whites. Which in turn allowed New Deal and civil rights policies to be weakened starting in the early 1970s.

For 40 years there were only two Democratic presidents: Carter and Clinton. Both were white Southerners.

Enter Mitt Romney in 2012. His father opposed Goldwater’s Southern strategy, but Mitt Romney ran with it. Screw blacks. Screw Latinos. He went all out for the white vote – and lost.

Spot the difference

The trouble is, the Southern strategy drives away voters, like women, gays, blacks, Asian Americans and Latinos. Meanwhile the white share of the vote has been dropping since 1980. There are no longer enough angry white men left to make it work.



To win nationwide with the Southern strategy you now need at least 61% of the white vote. No one in the past 60 years has ever won that many white votes without being a sitting president. Even Bush would lose if the 2004 election were held with 2012 demographics.


The Southern strategy has poisoned the Republican Party – and therefore the political health of the nation.

The Southern strategy

 

[IM2]

The end of white America?
Saturday January 10th 2009 by abagond

Hua Hsu in “The End of White America?” in the Atlantic Monthly for February 2009 argues, like John McWhorter, that America is becoming postracial. Race will matter less and less; whiteness will come to an end.

In the 1950s the mainstream culture was solidly white. Those who were not white wanted to be as white as possible: to fit it, to not be so threatening to others, to get along by going along. That model worked because most Americans were white.

But the U.S. Census Bureau says that by 2042 most Americans will no longer be white. That is already true in Hawaii, New York and California. It will be true for those under 18 by 2023. So Americans who are being born now will grow up in a very different America from the one of the 1950s.

By the 2050s white will no longer be right: the numbers just will not be there.

Hsu notes that this shift has already started in the culture. His main example is hip hop. Instead of being watered down and whitened like black music in the past, it has remained unmistakably black and yet has taken over the music industry. Sean Combs, like Barack Obama, can be black and yet be accepted by Americans of all colours and reach the top of his field.

Hsu also notes that white Americans do not have a strong culture: what is it, like NASCAR and Led Zeppelin? How can anyone’s sense of who they are be based on that – let alone the country as whole?

That is his argument as I understand it.

Here is what is wrong with it:

The same sort of arguments were made in the 1920s. There was even a book written about it: “The Passing of the Great Race” (1916) by Madison Grant. But who was threatening the great race? Blacks, yes, Asians, yes, but also Italians and Jews! The law was changed to keep them from pouring into the country in huge numbers – to “protect” “America” and the position of the “white” race.

But now everyone thinks of Italians and Jews as white. It will be the same with white-skinned Hispanics and so the white race will carry on as before, still comfortably on top by the 2050s.

Further, this idea of white Americans not having much of a culture or a weak culture is completely wrong. They have one of the strongest cultures in history – easily on a level with the Romans, the Persians and the Chinese. Any archaeologist 3000 years from now will be able to tell you that. Just because white Americans listen to hip hop and eat tacos does not mean they do not have their own culture. The Romans followed Greek philosophy, the Turks read Persian poets. Does that mean there was not much of a Roman or Turkish culture? Of course not.

The reason white American culture seems so weak is because when you are in it you take it for granted, it becomes hard to see – like water to a fish.

The end of white America?

 

[IM2]

Do whites have a culture?
Monday November 17th 2008 by abagond



Macon D, on his ever-interesting blog Stuff White People Do, quoted anti-racist writer Shelly Tochluk. Here is a bit of it. She is speaking as a white American:

However, many of us find ourselves looking at other groups and longing for the connection we imagine they feel with their roots, their homeland, their culture. Many white folks can be heard saying, “We don’t have culture. They have culture.”

…

I know that I am not alone. I hear the same sentiments too much from other white people. If anything, this is one of the truest hallmarks of whiteness that I have yet encountered. There is a hole within many of us, created when our families gave up our culture in order to be successful in the United States.

Heartfelt and honest, no doubt, but it is still maddening to hear it.

A lost homeland? Their homeland is made up of the lost homelands of others: the United States of America.

No rootedness? They live in a country – in a world! – where their culture is top dog. Where their culture is taught in schools across the country and shown on televisions round the world. Where their food and drink is sold in the four corners of the earth! How much more rooted can you be?

Lack of a culture? They have one of the most powerful cultures in history, like the Romans, the Persians and the Chinese, one that threatens other cultures.

White Americans have a culture just like everyone else: they have strange holidays and special foods, they have their own way of dressing, of talking, of family life, their own feelings about dogs, their own ideas about music, female beauty, skin colour and disciplining children. They have their own books, songs, television shows and films. They have blue jeans, rock music and hamburgers. Baseball and Starbucks.

They have their own language, which is taught in every school in the land as “proper English”. White Americans even speak English with an accent – which they call “having no accent”.

Whatever old ways Tochluk’s family lost from the old country they were replaced by their White American counterparts. It is how they lost their foreignness. The hole was filled. It had to be. How else can she sing and dance and talk and cook and tell stories to her children?

Many white Americans seem to see themselves as plain, ordinary and boring. “Generic”, I think, is the word. It is everyone else who is different, interesting, colourful or “exotic”.

Well, that is a point of view. They are so used to their own culture, like water to a fish or refrigerator noises, they take it so much for granted, it is so much a part of what they think of as “being a normal person”, that they do not see it. Just like how they do not hear their own accent – or see themselves as “white”.

Do whites have a culture?

 

[IM2]

All of this describes Correll and most of the whites in his section.

 

[Correll]

The Republican bubble
Friday November 9th 2012 by abagond



The Republican bubble is the “parallel universe” that most Republicans in America live in, especially those on the hard right. It is a closed world of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, right-wing opinion and white people. They sound like they are nuts because they are nuts.

They are not trolling: they are not saying crackpot stuff to gain attention, listeners or votes. They are serious.

It does not come from philosophical differences, from seeing the facts in a different light. It is worse than that.

It comes from cutting themselves off from knowable facts, from a lack of respect for truth, from accepting so many lies that they can no longer tell spin from fact.

Most Democrats live in a bubble too, but not an equal and opposite one. It has a greater respect for fact. It is less shut off from the outside world.

On the night of the 2012 election, Barack Obama prepared a victory speech and a concession speech while Mitt Romney prepared only a victory speech.

Since June most polls had been saying Romney would lose. The very same polls that had foreseen a Bush win in 2004. Yet when defeat came Romney was “shell-shocked”. He did not see it coming.

It was not just Romney. Others on the right also thought he would win enough electoral college votes (270 or more):

• 273: Ann Coulter, Fox News
• 279: Karl Rove
• 300: Newt Gingrich
• 311: Dean Chambers, Unskewed Polls
• 315: Michael Barone, National Review
• 321: George Will, Washington Post
• 325: Dick Morris, The New York Post, Fox News

Rush Limbaugh:

Everything except the polls points to a Romney landslide.

Romney only got 206.

Nate Silver, the polling expert at the New York Times, had been saying 206 was the most likely outcome. The right dismissed it – even though last time in 2008 he was off by only one state.

Silver dealt in numbers and mathematics, contrary in spirit to the Republican bubble, which:

• still doubts evolution and global warming despite the science and
• for years doubted Obama was born in America despite the state records of Hawaii.

Only 38% of Republicans in Ohio think that President Obama killed Bin Laden. Some think Romney did (15%). The rest (47%) are not sure.

Romney in the last days wasted precious time in states he had no hope of winning, like Pennsylvania. As if he had no polling experts.

At the second debate he made a huge mistake about what President Obama had said on Libya – apparently because he believed Fox News and the National Review.

Huge numbers came out to see him speak. But nearly everyone was – white. Because he avoided black and Latino neighbourhoods. Republican bubble.

In 2008 when Sarah Palin did terribly in her debate many on the right thought she did great:

• David Brooks
• Fred Barnes
• Monica Crowley
• Pat Buchanan
• Peggy Noonan
• Rush Limbaugh
• Michelle Malkin
• Rudy Giuliani
• National Review

Though some disagreed:

• Charles Krauthammer
• George Will
• Juan Williams
• Andrew Sullivan
• The Economist

Compare: In 2012 when Obama did poorly in the first debate almost no one on the left thought he did great.

Sources: CBS News, Slate, Julian Sanchez, Public Policy Polling (PDF)

In this last election Nate predicted HIllary getting 302 electoral votes. She actually got 227.


So, who's in a bubble now?

 

[Paul Essien]

SobieskiSavedEurope

 

[katsteve2012]

Buchanan on the kindness of white people
Friday May 8th 2009 by abagond

Pat Buchanan on why blacks should thank white Americans:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Ta-Nehisi Coates replies:

I always found this quote interesting because it originates from the same racist thinking that Byron York employed last week–that black people don’t actually count. In this instance, the idea isn’t about polling, it’s about taxes. By Buchanan’s lights, black people do not exist as tax-payers, but as social sponges. And the converse is true–no white people use government services, they simply pay taxes that are transferred to blacks.

Buchanan on the kindness of white people

Correll, you express the same racist beliefs as Buchanan.

Buchanan on the kindness of white people
Friday May 8th 2009 by abagond

Pat Buchanan on why blacks should thank white Americans:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Ta-Nehisi Coates replies:

I always found this quote interesting because it originates from the same racist thinking that Byron York employed last week–that black people don’t actually count. In this instance, the idea isn’t about polling, it’s about taxes. By Buchanan’s lights, black people do not exist as tax-payers, but as social sponges. And the converse is true–no white people use government services, they simply pay taxes that are transferred to blacks.

Buchanan on the kindness of white people

Correll, you express the same racist beliefs as Buchanan.

Pat Buchanan?
Racist, mysogonistic, homophobic, douchebag, who should be publically flogged for some of his statements.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAPegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw0Zq1s8BbAxxB3HyvG1rXf1

 

[IM2]

Buchanan on the kindness of white people
Friday May 8th 2009 by abagond

Pat Buchanan on why blacks should thank white Americans:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Ta-Nehisi Coates replies:

I always found this quote interesting because it originates from the same racist thinking that Byron York employed last week–that black people don’t actually count. In this instance, the idea isn’t about polling, it’s about taxes. By Buchanan’s lights, black people do not exist as tax-payers, but as social sponges. And the converse is true–no white people use government services, they simply pay taxes that are transferred to blacks.

Buchanan on the kindness of white people

Correll, you express the same racist beliefs as Buchanan.

Buchanan on the kindness of white people
Friday May 8th 2009 by abagond

Pat Buchanan on why blacks should thank white Americans:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Ta-Nehisi Coates replies:

I always found this quote interesting because it originates from the same racist thinking that Byron York employed last week–that black people don’t actually count. In this instance, the idea isn’t about polling, it’s about taxes. By Buchanan’s lights, black people do not exist as tax-payers, but as social sponges. And the converse is true–no white people use government services, they simply pay taxes that are transferred to blacks.

Buchanan on the kindness of white people

Correll, you express the same racist beliefs as Buchanan.

Pat Buchanan?
Racist, mysogonistic, homophobic, douchebag, who should be publically flogged for some of his statements.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAPegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw0Zq1s8BbAxxB3HyvG1rXf1

Funny how whites can find every excuse on earth to deny their racism.

 

[LOIE]

You can't give preference to ONE group, with out disadvantaging another.

That's very true, including all of the many, many years white folks were given preference while seriously disadvantaging others.

Of course.


If it was true then, it is true now.


Whites were given preference in the past, at the expense of blacks.


Now it is the other way around.


It was wrong then. It is wrong now. In my opinion.


Do you not agree?

In my opinion, preference isn't given to blacks en mass. You may be referring to AA which tried unsuccessfully to level the playing field. But the hand full of whites negatively effected by it, does not compare to the millions of blacks negatively effected by years of disadvantage on every level. It effected an entire race of people, not like today where some white people in some area in some ways are effected. And, hey, if they are, maybe they should take the advice that's been loudly and consistently given to black people and stop blaming, and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, because they probably still have some.

 

[IM2]

I think that if you are not 100 percent of the population you should get 100 percent of the opportunities. Whites complaining about AA are crying because they cannot get all of the opportunities and today think if they are not 100 percent of anything, if 1 white person can't get a job even if 90 do they are being discriminated against. Blacks cannot cry about discrimination if 1 black is hired and certainly cannot take cases to the supreme court of any state, much less the US Supreme court, when here is a situation where the majority of admittees or job holders are black. Yet whites do this all the time. So whites here or anywhere else crying about AA just need to wipe their eyes and understand they are not entitled to everything.

 

[katsteve2012]

Buchanan on the kindness of white people
Friday May 8th 2009 by abagond

Pat Buchanan on why blacks should thank white Americans:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Ta-Nehisi Coates replies:

I always found this quote interesting because it originates from the same racist thinking that Byron York employed last week–that black people don’t actually count. In this instance, the idea isn’t about polling, it’s about taxes. By Buchanan’s lights, black people do not exist as tax-payers, but as social sponges. And the converse is true–no white people use government services, they simply pay taxes that are transferred to blacks.

Buchanan on the kindness of white people

Correll, you express the same racist beliefs as Buchanan.

Buchanan on the kindness of white people
Friday May 8th 2009 by abagond

Pat Buchanan on why blacks should thank white Americans:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Ta-Nehisi Coates replies:

I always found this quote interesting because it originates from the same racist thinking that Byron York employed last week–that black people don’t actually count. In this instance, the idea isn’t about polling, it’s about taxes. By Buchanan’s lights, black people do not exist as tax-payers, but as social sponges. And the converse is true–no white people use government services, they simply pay taxes that are transferred to blacks.

Buchanan on the kindness of white people

Correll, you express the same racist beliefs as Buchanan.

Pat Buchanan?
Racist, mysogonistic, homophobic, douchebag, who should be publically flogged for some of his statements.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAPegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw0Zq1s8BbAxxB3HyvG1rXf1

Funny how whites can find every excuse on earth to deny their racism.

Those like Buchanan certainly do. He is one of the original "race pimps".

 

[there4eyeM]

To paraphrase the famous Churchill, affirmative action was the worst solution except for all the others.
Things are not and have not been 'fair' for minorities in America.
Today we are dealing with consequences of having had a horrible monster always gnawing at America's insides. Slavery was the most outstanding manifestation.

 

[Correll]

SobieskiSavedEurope

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What's your point?

 

[Paul Essien]

SobieskiSavedEurope

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What's your point?

Speaks for itself.

 

[Correll]

You can't give preference to ONE group, with out disadvantaging another.

That's very true, including all of the many, many years white folks were given preference while seriously disadvantaging others.

Of course.


If it was true then, it is true now.


Whites were given preference in the past, at the expense of blacks.


Now it is the other way around.


It was wrong then. It is wrong now. In my opinion.


Do you not agree?

In my opinion, preference isn't given to blacks en mass. You may be referring to AA which tried unsuccessfully to level the playing field. But the hand full of whites negatively effected by it, does not compare to the millions of blacks negatively effected by years of disadvantage on every level. It effected an entire race of people, not like today where some white people in some area in some ways are effected. And, hey, if they are, maybe they should take the advice that's been loudly and consistently given to black people and stop blaming, and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, because they probably still have some.

YOu seem confused, about whether it is not happening, or if you support it because you don't give a fuck about the white people being hurt.

 

[Correll]

SobieskiSavedEurope

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What's your point?

Speaks for itself.

No, it doesn't.


Some sports team beat some other team. Who cares?


What larger point you trying to make?

Why are you afraid to speak it clearly?