Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

[CowboyTed]

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

Name the crime God Dammit!

Just like the Mueller Investigation.
The whole thing was nothing other than a fishing-expedition looking for crimes.
The So-called Whistleblower is just an excuse to start another investigation.
This time America is paying attention....and they aren't buying it.

As noted in my previous response:

Turn on you TV, I don't have the patience to play "water is wet" with you morons.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the lies from our corrupt media. Propaganda from liberals is worth less than a bucket of spit.
Stop watching news broadcasts and read up on the case, dumb-ass.

Well the public questioning happens next week... What will your excuse be then... Maybe the hollywood elite have special tricks which can change peoples testimony...

Hey I got it... They are going to Kidnap John Bolton and drug him. Then Tom Cruise is going to have a special mask prepared by the Mission Impossible guys and go and testify instead of him... So we need to know where Tom Cruise is next week...

 

[Crepitus]

You are way behind. Of Col Vindman, on the call says there is a quid pro quo. Ambassador to the EU Sondham, on the call say there is a quid pro quo. Even before being seated Zelenskiy spent hours working with aides on how to handle the pressure from tRump. Even tRump's own incomplete, hig
If you wish to stay willfully ignorant it's not skin offa my ass. It's not like you really contribute to the discussions anyway.

Have a nice day.

Rep. McCaul: Sondland testimony confirms no quid pro quo
Then Vindman tried to change his transcript of the call later, after he first reported no quid pro quo! Why? He is also deeply involved with The Atlantic Council that winds back to all the actors we have seen previously that have since day one stated they would do anything to resist and get Trump removed from office. Telling that Schiff shut down and coached Vindman’s testimony.
Schiff coaches Vindman in testimony, stops him from answering GOP questions after he admits to sharing call details

Sondland corrected his perjury. And Vindland wanted left out parts added back to the transcript. Trump's lawyer said "Nyet."

Just wow. Can’t wait until a Dem is elected again and the right pulls the same tricks on the President.

No tricks kiddo.

There is that silly one liner again. Admit it. You have been outed.

Nope. We've already discussed/debu med this lie over and over. Time for you to get a new one.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Seems to me all we have done with whistle blower status is created an endless supply of political torpedoes.

We have become so divided that we are slowly drowning ourselves in our own toilet and the whistleblowers/leakers are holding our heads in the water.

How can leaking the contents of confidential presidential calls be considered a good thing? If you actually hear the president conspiring to commit a FELONY then I suppose it's ok. Up till that point I think all you are is a criminal leaker.

The Whistleblower after advise took the proper channels to report what he heard was a crime. There was only really one whistleblower and he pointed the impeachment Investigation to the people they should talk to. The Whistleblower was the equivalent of a guy who heard a guy talking about witnessing a crime and reports it to the cops. The witnesses are then being asked.

How can you report something you have no first hand knowledge of and obtained the information illegally?

 

[Crepitus]

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

Ciaramella had been FIRED for leaking over a year earlier, so HOW could he "alert" anyone of anything? All he did was interview sympathetic staffers and compile intel, he IS CIA after all, hand picked by KGB John.

If he was fired a year earlier it's pretty unlikely he's the fella you're looking for.

 

[depotoo]

We can keep this up all day if you like.

Oh, I know. You cultists are more than happy to say down is up, in service to the dear leader.

Honey, I didn’t even vote for him. I just have the mental capacity to be able to read all the facts. Not ones cherry picked for me, like you. From the moment he was elected scam after scam has surfaced to try to destroy the man.

 

[Crepitus]

Sondland corrected his perjury. And Vindland wanted left out parts added back to the transcript. Trump's lawyer said "Nyet."

Just wow. Can’t wait until a Dem is elected again and the right pulls the same tricks on the President.

Yes, the left caused Sondland to perjure' himself. And the left caused Trumps lawyer to cover up his phone calls with foreign leaders, as they are incriminating. Yep, sounds like you got it all figured out.

That is simply bull. You are so blind you can’t see the forest for the trees.
Just as you were with the Russia hoax.

What Russian hoax?

Just goes to show how much of a cozener you really are. And that isn’t a compliment.

Sorry to tell you, but I'm not the one who's lying here.

 

[sparky]

I fail to see a "CRIME"

none are so blind as those that refuse to see...

~S~

 

[Crepitus]

We can keep this up all day if you like.

Oh, I know. You cultists are more than happy to say down is up, in service to the dear leader.

Honey, I didn’t even vote for him. I just have the mental capacity to be able to read all the facts. Not ones cherry picked for me, like you. From the moment he was elected scam after scam has surfaced to try to destroy the man.

I'm afraid you've been thoroughly misinformed.

 

[mudwhistle]

You are falling for the fake news again.

The Biden thing is a conspiracy theory. It did not happen the way the RWNJ propaganda machine wants you to think it did.

All the information is out there, educate yourself.

Except... Your Dufus Frontrunner does his Barney Fife impersonation bragging about how Bribed the Ukrainian government to fire a prosecutor looking into his son's company's corruption.



Joe Biden bragging about it on video kinda nukes your 'conspiracy theory' silliness.

Thoroughly debunked nonsense.

Time for you conservitards to move on to new lie, this one is getting pretty tatty.

Debunked in you mind....but not in reality.
Just because one of your Communist Bullshit artists claims it's not true, doesn't mean that is the case.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Btw, if the government actually did have the factual evidence that an employee LEAKED information that was classified, the employee would be fired.

The fact that this EC guy was not fired, is a tell tale sign that the right wing allegations of him being the leaker of that other stuff, has NOT been PROVEN as fact.

Ciaramella was indeed fired from the White House. He could not be fired from the CIA, but he was terminated from the white house in 2018 for leaking.

This is WHY you Communists were so fearful of his name getting out; this is a BAD GUY, and you knew it. He is a Communist radical who worked money laundering for the Obama regime.

Where did YOU think Obama got that hundred million dollars? Seriously? How do you THINK men like Biden and Obama become filthy rich? Bribes and embezzlement are the HEART of the democrat party - it's WHY your party is so dedicated to stopping Trump.

Now this has clearly failed. Ciaramella and Zaid are known - nothing you Communists can do to put that genie back in the bottle. No amount of lies and censorship by the Antisemites of the NY Times or CNN can make the identity of Eric Ciaramella unknown. With them known, it becomes SO obvious this was just another staged pseudo event in the long, slow coup by the Communist party. By the time this is done, you will lose the house - you never were going to pick up the Senate,

My question is this, you Stalinists have tried EVERY possible tactic to undo the 2016 election, and you have failed. So do you know if your party intends to assassinate the president? It is literally the ONLY thing that your party and the fascist fucks in the press have not tried yet. Jim Acosta with a suicide bomb? I could see it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Enacting ones own policies once elected is an abuse of power? You don’t even hear yourself.

Leveraging US foreign aid in exchange for publicity damaging to one's domestic political opponent isn't foreign policy. What makes you guys say such stupid stuff?

How man times must you be told, the ones actually on the call stated there was no quid pro quo. It was made up because they need anything to try to oust this President because they don’t like him.

The Quid Quo Pro was ongoing for months, according to sworn testimony - which is something we won't see from the administration. It wasn't restricted to a single phone call, and if it were, an adult reading of that call screams quid pro quo.

It's not foreign policy.

Joe Biden was threatening the Ukraine for months and then hit them with stopping 1.3 Billion dollars. It wasn't Trump, It was Biden doing this..

No.

It wasn't Joe Biden, it was the US government, along various EU governments, the IMF, and other organizations.

Please stop propagating fake news.

You sure lie a lot, creep.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

I would agree but I fail to see a "CRIME"

Abuse of power is a crime.

Show me where the president abused his power?

Derp. Derp. Tell me agin! Tell me agin! I swear I will listen this time and I won’t ask this same question on another thread 5 minutes from now. Cuz I don’t mean to be obtuse and bore you and every other lib here to death. I’d never do that! I swear!

 

[Crepitus]

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

Name the crime God Dammit!

Just like the Mueller Investigation.
The whole thing was nothing other than a fishing-expedition looking for crimes.
The So-called Whistleblower is just an excuse to start another investigation.
This time America is paying attention....and they aren't buying it.

As noted in my previous response:

Turn on you TV, I don't have the patience to play "water is wet" with you morons.

Sorry, but I'm not buying the lies from our corrupt media. Propaganda from liberals is worth less than a bucket of spit.
Stop watching news broadcasts and read up on the case, dumb-ass.

Well the public questioning happens next week... What will your excuse be then... Maybe the hollywood elite have special tricks which can change peoples testimony...

Hey I got it... They are going to Kidnap John Bolton and drug him. Then Tom Cruise is going to have a special mask prepared by the Mission Impossible guys and go and testify instead of him... So we need to know where Tom Cruise is next week...

Dude!

It's hilarious!!

But don't feed the conspiracy nut-jobs.

Some of them are bound to take your comments as gospel and go right down the rabbithole.

 

[Uncensored2008]

How man times must you be told, the ones actually on the call stated there was no quid pro quo. It was made up because they need anything to try to oust this President because they don’t like him.

You are way behind. Of Col Vindman, on the call says there is a quid pro quo. Ambassador to the EU Sondham, on the call say there is a quid pro quo. Even before being seated Zelenskiy spent hours working with aides on how to handle the pressure from tRump. Even tRump's own incomplete, hig

Sorry, but I'm not buying the lies from our corrupt media. Propaganda from liberals is worth less than a bucket of spit.
Stop watching news broadcasts and read up on the case, dumb-ass.

If you wish to stay willfully ignorant it's not skin offa my ass. It's not like you really contribute to the discussions anyway.

Have a nice day.

Vindeman has already been caught...working with the democrats......what else do you have...since none of the witnesses so far can state, first hand, there was a quid pro quo.....

Nevermind the simple fact that Quid Pro Quo isn't against the law either.
Just like Collusion isn't against the law.
If it was most of the media and the Democrats would be in prison today.

Right.

There is no law of collusion...

There is no law of quid pro quo.... it's called bribery, or extortion, or government employee corruption....

And biden is neck deep in all of those.

As is Eric Ciaramella - the CIA fixer for Obama's NSC sent to hide the trail of embezzlement of US funds in Ukraine.....

{
In November 2015, Ciaramella is named as one of the officials who attended a White House meeting with Ukrainian religious leaders, along with his boss, Charles Kupchan. The Ukrainian religious leaders delivered a letter appealing to President Obama for aid for their country. Ciaramella is listed as the “NSC Director for Ukraine.” That position is now held by Alexander Vindman, a key witness in the impeachment inquiry, who listened to the call between President Trump and President Zelensky.

Ciaramella also has ties to former Democratic National Committee operative and opposition researcher Alexandra Chalupa, a Ukrainian-American who has been targeted by some conservatives as being behind an effort to accuse the Trump campaign of Russian collusion. Chalupa, then with the National Democratic Ethnic Coordinating Committee, was also in attendance at the November 2015 meeting with Ukrainian religious leaders, according to public records.}

Eric Ciaramella: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

The more you know, the more this falls apart for the Communists.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

I would agree but I fail to see a "CRIME"

Abuse of power is a crime.

Show me where the president abused his power?

Derp. Derp. Tell me agin! Tell me agin! I swear I will listen this time and I won’t ask this same question on another thread 5 minutes from now. Cuz I don’t mean to be obtuse and bore you and every other lib here to death. I’d never do that! I swear!

Derp Derp. Lie again! Lie again! I swear you'll fool them this time and you won't need to hide for 2 days because your lie was exposed again....

 

[LoneLaugher]

When they are alerting us to crimes.

Next.

I would agree but I fail to see a "CRIME"

Abuse of power is a crime.

Show me where the president abused his power?

Derp. Derp. Tell me agin! Tell me agin! I swear I will listen this time and I won’t ask this same question on another thread 5 minutes from now. Cuz I don’t mean to be obtuse and bore you and every other lib here to death. I’d never do that! I swear!

Derp Derp. Lie again! Lie again! I swear you'll fool them this time and you won't need to hide for 2 days because your lie was exposed again....

OK, moron. I’ll bite.

Point out a single lie I’ve ever told here and show that I ran away for two days.

Better yet....call in to our podcast tonight and tell me live. I’d love to hear your pansy ass voice and have fun with you in real time.

Details below.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Call in to the show, morons.

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[toobfreak]

Whistleblower vs Leaker. Where do we draw the distinction?

There is no difference other than perception and presentation.

LEAKER: That dirty rat bastard working against us every good American feared during WWII.

WHISTLEBLOWER: That American Patriot working for the Democrats that Adam Schiff says is the essential cog in his evidence, yet hides from sight and refuses to allow to testify or be questioned for fear their case would fall to dust.

 

[Muhammed]

§798. Disclosure of classified information
(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information—

(1) concerning the nature, preparation, or use of any code, cipher, or cryptographic system of the United States or any foreign government; or

(2) concerning the design, construction, use, maintenance, or repair of any device, apparatus, or appliance used or prepared or planned for use by the United States or any foreign government for cryptographic or communication intelligence purposes; or

(3) concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government; or

(4) obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government, knowing the same to have been obtained by such processes—


Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

(b) As used in subsection (a) of this section—

The term “classified information” means information which, at the time of a violation of this section, is, for reasons of national security, specifically designated by a United States Government Agency for limited or restricted dissemination or distribution;

The terms “code,” “cipher,” and “cryptographic system” include in their meanings, in addition to their usual meanings, any method of secret writing and any mechanical or electrical device or method used for the purpose of disguising or concealing the contents, significance, or meanings of communications;

The term “foreign government” includes in its meaning any person or persons acting or purporting to act for or on behalf of any faction, party, department, agency, bureau, or military force of or within a foreign country, or for or on behalf of any government or any person or persons purporting to act as a government within a foreign country, whether or not such government is recognized by the United States;

The term “communication intelligence” means all procedures and methods used in the interception of communications and the obtaining of information from such communications by other than the intended recipients;

The term “unauthorized person” means any person who, or agency which, is not authorized to receive information of the categories set forth in subsection (a) of this section, by the President, or by the head of a department or agency of the United States Government which is expressly designated by the President to engage in communication intelligence activities for the United States.

(c) Nothing in this section shall prohibit the furnishing, upon lawful demand, of information to any regularly constituted committee of the Senate or House of Representatives of the United States of America, or joint committee thereof.

(d)(1) Any person convicted of a violation of this section shall forfeit to the United States irrespective of any provision of State law—

(A) any property constituting, or derived from, any proceeds the person obtained, directly or indirectly, as the result of such violation; and

(B) any of the person's property used, or intended to be used, in any manner or part, to commit, or to facilitate the commission of, such violation.


(2) The court, in imposing sentence on a defendant for a conviction of a violation of this section, shall order that the defendant forfeit to the United States all property described in paragraph (1).

(3) Except as provided in paragraph (4), the provisions of subsections (b), (c), and (e) through (p) of section 413 of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 (21 U.S.C. 853(b), (c), and (e)–(p)), shall apply to—

(A) property subject to forfeiture under this subsection;

(B) any seizure or disposition of such property; and

(C) any administrative or judicial proceeding in relation to such property,


if not inconsistent with this subsection.

(4) Notwithstanding section 524(c) of title 28, there shall be deposited in the Crime Victims Fund established under section 1402 of the Victims of Crime Act of 1984 (42 U.S.C. 10601) all amounts from the forfeiture of property under this subsection remaining after the payment of expenses for forfeiture and sale authorized by law.

(5) As used in this subsection, the term “State” means any State of the United States, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and any territory or possession of the United States.

(Added Oct. 31, 1951, ch. 655, §24(a), 65 Stat. 719; amended Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147; Pub. L. 103–359, title VIII, §804(a), Oct. 14, 1994, 108 Stat. 3439; Pub. L. 104–294, title VI, §602(c), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3503.)

U.S.C. Title 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

 

[Uncensored2008]

I would agree but I fail to see a "CRIME"

Abuse of power is a crime.

Show me where the president abused his power?

Derp. Derp. Tell me agin! Tell me agin! I swear I will listen this time and I won’t ask this same question on another thread 5 minutes from now. Cuz I don’t mean to be obtuse and bore you and every other lib here to death. I’d never do that! I swear!

Derp Derp. Lie again! Lie again! I swear you'll fool them this time and you won't need to hide for 2 days because your lie was exposed again....

OK, moron. I’ll bite.

Point out a single lie I’ve ever told here and show that I ran away for two days.

Better yet....call in to our podcast tonight and tell me live. I’d love to hear your pansy ass voice and have fun with you in real time.

Details below.

IF you claim you have evidence of "abuse of power" (whatever the fuck that is supposed to mean) then you are lying.

Fact, Comrade.