Which state, Texas or North Carolina, will turn Blue first?

[bigrebnc1775]

d

1,10, and 12 districts were created by Democrats.

This is not accurate. The districts were redrawn to include more democratic voters in 2010. Their Cook index scores all moved quite significantly further into the Democrat's column. The surrounding districts all became much less competitive and safer for Republicans.

The 2nd NC district is a prime example of this. In the 2010 GOP wave election the district "barely" went for the GOP's candidate (Ellmers), in 2012 it was much more safe despite being a much more friendly year for Democrats.

2nd District PVI ratings:

• 2012: 40D / 60R
• 2010: 49D / 51R

Also it's not just the three blue districts that make it gerrymandered, it's also how the other districts are drawn that crack democrat voters as well.

District 12 was drawn up by democrats in the 90's moistly blacks in that district looks like as drunk man tried to make a road and failed

That district helps Republicans win other districts, why would it be gerrymandered by the Dems?

Are you saying district 12 created by the demos in the 90's wasn't

1,10, and 12 districts were created by Democrats.

This is not accurate. The districts were redrawn to include more democratic voters in 2010. Their Cook index scores all moved quite significantly further into the Democrat's column. The surrounding districts all became much less competitive and safer for Republicans.

The 2nd NC district is a prime example of this. In the 2010 GOP wave election the district "barely" went for the GOP's candidate (Ellmers), in 2012 it was much more safe despite being a much more friendly year for Democrats.

2nd District PVI ratings:

• 2012: 40D / 60R
• 2010: 49D / 51R

Also it's not just the three blue districts that make it gerrymandered, it's also how the other districts are drawn that crack democrat voters as well.

District 12 was drawn up by democrats in the 90's moistly blacks in that district looks like as drunk man tried to make a road and failed

That district helps Republicans win other districts, why would it be gerrymandered by the Dems?

District 12 was created by democrats to insure it would cover minority voters are you saying that is not gerrymandering by the demos

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Gerrymandered NC Congressional Districts

Democrat gerrymandering

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

The one with the most unassimilated will turn blue first.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

District 12 remained from the 90's until it was changed in 2011 you can't pick and choose on this so shut the hell up

???

That's exactly what I'm saying, the borders were redrawn in 2011...

So your complaining that the Republicans changed the gerrymandering of the democrats?

In 2012 the GOP lost the popular vote in NC for the house district but won far more seats then the Democrats, the Gerrymander the GOP did in 2011 is far far worse then anything the Democrats did.

You are a lying sack of shit
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com

 

[BULLDOG]

Gerrymandered NC Congressional Districts

I have seen some congressional districts which are nothing more than a narrow strip, perhaps a few blocks wide connecting larger areas that are quite distant from each other. I'm not sure this is what was intended when the whole idea of districts was first envisioned.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Gerrymandered NC Congressional Districts

I have seen some congressional districts which are nothing more than a narrow strip, perhaps a few blocks wide connecting larger areas that are quite distant from each other. I'm not sure this is what was intended when the whole idea of districts was first envisioned.

Sure Republicans do it and Demos do it.
But now it's wrong?

 

[BULLDOG]

Gerrymandered NC Congressional Districts

I have seen some congressional districts which are nothing more than a narrow strip, perhaps a few blocks wide connecting larger areas that are quite distant from each other. I'm not sure this is what was intended when the whole idea of districts was first envisioned.

Sure Republicans do it and Demos do it.
But now it's wrong?

It's always been wrong, but now it is much worse than ever before. The majority party should never be able to change the playing field to hurt the other party. It doesn't matter which party that is. I've always advocated a non partisan commission, a panel of judges, or even a formula that takes into account how many people are in each area to set the district borders. What we have is just wrong for either party.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Gerrymandered NC Congressional Districts

I have seen some congressional districts which are nothing more than a narrow strip, perhaps a few blocks wide connecting larger areas that are quite distant from each other. I'm not sure this is what was intended when the whole idea of districts was first envisioned.

Sure Republicans do it and Demos do it.
But now it's wrong?

It's always been wrong, but now it is much worse than ever before. The majority party should never be able to change the playing field to hurt the other party. It doesn't matter which party that is. I've always advocated a non partisan commission, a panel of judges, or even a formula that takes into account how many people are in each area to set the district borders. What we have is just wrong for either party.

It's existed why are you whining about it now?District 12 for 12 years majority was minorities it was created by democrats.
Now why shouldn't the majority party be allowed to do this? OH that's right because it's Republicans. If democrats were in control you would say nothing at all.
Stop trying to bull shit people

 

[Nyvin]

District 12 remained from the 90's until it was changed in 2011 you can't pick and choose on this so shut the hell up

???

That's exactly what I'm saying, the borders were redrawn in 2011...

So your complaining that the Republicans changed the gerrymandering of the democrats?

In 2012 the GOP lost the popular vote in NC for the house districts but won far more seats then the Democrats, the Gerrymander the GOP did in 2011 is far far worse then anything the Democrats did.

You are a lying sack of shit
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com

Lol, your link doesn't even post total vote numbers!

Here, I'll help you:

United States House of Representatives elections in North Carolina 2012 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The Democrats won more votes but got less seats...that I guarantee you never happened to the GOP in NC with any "Democrat" Gerrymander...

Democratic Votes:	2,218,357	50.6%
Republicans Votes:	2,137,167	48.75%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[bigrebnc1775]

District 12 remained from the 90's until it was changed in 2011 you can't pick and choose on this so shut the hell up

???

That's exactly what I'm saying, the borders were redrawn in 2011...

So your complaining that the Republicans changed the gerrymandering of the democrats?

In 2012 the GOP lost the popular vote in NC for the house districts but won far more seats then the Democrats, the Gerrymander the GOP did in 2011 is far far worse then anything the Democrats did.

You are a lying sack of shit
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com

Lol, your link doesn't even post total vote numbers!

Here, I'll help you:

United States House of Representatives elections in North Carolina 2012 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Democratic Votes:	2,218,357	50.6%
Republicans Votes:	2,137,167	48.75%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Dumb ass stop using wiki when a legit link is being used.
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com
Hey stupid that's sad news for democrats you do realize this?
There are more registered democrats in North Carolina
Actually your links count is wrong
NCSBE Home

And another thing voting for the house of representatives the only votes that count are those within each individual districts total count means nothing.

 

[Nyvin]

???

That's exactly what I'm saying, the borders were redrawn in 2011...

So your complaining that the Republicans changed the gerrymandering of the democrats?

In 2012 the GOP lost the popular vote in NC for the house districts but won far more seats then the Democrats, the Gerrymander the GOP did in 2011 is far far worse then anything the Democrats did.

You are a lying sack of shit
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com

Lol, your link doesn't even post total vote numbers!

Here, I'll help you:

United States House of Representatives elections in North Carolina 2012 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Democratic Votes:	2,218,357	50.6%
Republicans Votes:	2,137,167	48.75%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Dumb ass stop using wiki when a legit link is being used.
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com
Hey stupid that's sad news for democrats you do realize this?
There are more registered democrats in North Carolina
Actually your links count is wrong
NCSBE Home

Why the heck are you posting registration statistics???

Your link doesn't provide a vote total....what do you want me to do, add up all the votes myself?

Fine, here you go, totals from YOUR LINK:

Democrat House District votes:

D1: 250,948
D2: 129,307
D3: 112,546
D4: 265,432
D5: 147,649
D6: 141,214
D7: 167,590
D8: 134,891
D9: 170,462
D10: 142,822
D11: 140,216
D12: 246,451
+D13: 169,637
-------------------
2,219,165 Total Democrat Votes

Republican House District Votes:

D1: 76,558
D2: 174,565
D3: 192,976
D4: 91,512
D5: 200,083
D6: 220,296
D7: 167,057
D8: 159,226
D9: 193,174
D10: 189,667
D11: 189,289
D12: 62,924
+D13: 225,791
--------------------
2,143,118 Total Republican House Votes

Democrats: 2,219,165 Votes
Republicans: 2,143,118 Votes

I'll leave it to you to figure out which is bigger

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So your complaining that the Republicans changed the gerrymandering of the democrats?

In 2012 the GOP lost the popular vote in NC for the house districts but won far more seats then the Democrats, the Gerrymander the GOP did in 2011 is far far worse then anything the Democrats did.

You are a lying sack of shit
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com

Lol, your link doesn't even post total vote numbers!

Here, I'll help you:

United States House of Representatives elections in North Carolina 2012 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Democratic Votes:	2,218,357	50.6%
Republicans Votes:	2,137,167	48.75%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Dumb ass stop using wiki when a legit link is being used.
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com
Hey stupid that's sad news for democrats you do realize this?
There are more registered democrats in North Carolina
Actually your links count is wrong
NCSBE Home

Why the heck are you posting registration statistics???

Your link doesn't provide a vote total....what do you want me to do, add up all the votes myself?

Fine, here you go, totals from YOUR LINK:

Democrat House District votes:

250,948
129,307
112,546
265,432
147,649
141,214
167,590
134,891
170,462
142,822
140,216
246,451
+169,637
-------------------
2,219,165

Dude what is the fuck are you whining about?
2014 REGISTERED Republicans in North Carolina

Your link shows Republicans voting in 2012
Republicans Votes:2,137,167

How can you have more votes than registered republicans?
Your wiki link is wrong

 

[Nyvin]

In 2012 the GOP lost the popular vote in NC for the house districts but won far more seats then the Democrats, the Gerrymander the GOP did in 2011 is far far worse then anything the Democrats did.

You are a lying sack of shit
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com

Lol, your link doesn't even post total vote numbers!

Here, I'll help you:

United States House of Representatives elections in North Carolina 2012 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Democratic Votes:	2,218,357	50.6%
Republicans Votes:	2,137,167	48.75%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Dumb ass stop using wiki when a legit link is being used.
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com
Hey stupid that's sad news for democrats you do realize this?
There are more registered democrats in North Carolina
Actually your links count is wrong
NCSBE Home

Why the heck are you posting registration statistics???

Your link doesn't provide a vote total....what do you want me to do, add up all the votes myself?

Fine, here you go, totals from YOUR LINK:

Democrat House District votes:

250,948
129,307
112,546
265,432
147,649
141,214
167,590
134,891
170,462
142,822
140,216
246,451
+169,637
-------------------
2,219,165

Dude what is the fuck are you whining about?
2014 REGISTERED Republicans in North Carolina

Your link shows Republicans voting in 2012
Republicans Votes:2,137,167

How can you have more votes than registered republicans?
Your wiki link is wrong

Because there are unaffiliated voters?

I just added up the numbers from your link (with roughly the same numbers...) use that, ignore the wiki.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You are a lying sack of shit
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com

Lol, your link doesn't even post total vote numbers!

Here, I'll help you:

United States House of Representatives elections in North Carolina 2012 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Democratic Votes:	2,218,357	50.6%
Republicans Votes:	2,137,167	48.75%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Dumb ass stop using wiki when a legit link is being used.
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com
Hey stupid that's sad news for democrats you do realize this?
There are more registered democrats in North Carolina
Actually your links count is wrong
NCSBE Home

Why the heck are you posting registration statistics???

Your link doesn't provide a vote total....what do you want me to do, add up all the votes myself?

Fine, here you go, totals from YOUR LINK:

Democrat House District votes:

250,948
129,307
112,546
265,432
147,649
141,214
167,590
134,891
170,462
142,822
140,216
246,451
+169,637
-------------------
2,219,165

Dude what is the fuck are you whining about?
2014 REGISTERED Republicans in North Carolina

Your link shows Republicans voting in 2012
Republicans Votes:2,137,167

How can you have more votes than registered republicans?
Your wiki link is wrong

Because there are unaffiliated voters?

I just added up the numbers from your link (with roughly the same numbers...) use that, ignore the wiki.

Totals vote means absolutely nothing when voting for the house of representatives.
Once again there are more democrats in North Carolina It's sad more dems didn't vote isn't it? Now wonder why?
Didn't like what the democrats and obama were doing?

 

[Nyvin]

Lol, your link doesn't even post total vote numbers!

Here, I'll help you:

United States House of Representatives elections in North Carolina 2012 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Democratic Votes:	2,218,357	50.6%
Republicans Votes:	2,137,167	48.75%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Dumb ass stop using wiki when a legit link is being used.
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com
Hey stupid that's sad news for democrats you do realize this?
There are more registered democrats in North Carolina
Actually your links count is wrong
NCSBE Home

Why the heck are you posting registration statistics???

Your link doesn't provide a vote total....what do you want me to do, add up all the votes myself?

Fine, here you go, totals from YOUR LINK:

Democrat House District votes:

250,948
129,307
112,546
265,432
147,649
141,214
167,590
134,891
170,462
142,822
140,216
246,451
+169,637
-------------------
2,219,165

Dude what is the fuck are you whining about?
2014 REGISTERED Republicans in North Carolina

Your link shows Republicans voting in 2012
Republicans Votes:2,137,167

How can you have more votes than registered republicans?
Your wiki link is wrong

Because there are unaffiliated voters?

I just added up the numbers from your link (with roughly the same numbers...) use that, ignore the wiki.

Totals vote means absolutely nothing when voting for the house of representatives.
Once again there are more democrats in North Carolina It's sad more dems didn't vote isn't it? Now wonder why?
Didn't like what the democrats and obama were doing?

Glad I got you over the fact that yes indeed democrats did get more votes, now moving on to your next excuse...

Total vote means quite a bit. If the map was drawn differently in 2012 the Democrats could've easily won as many if not maybe more seats than the GOP. Making it sound like the GOP has some "mandate" since they won so many house seats is a joke when the majority of people aren't even voting for them in the state.

 

[JimH52]

Gerrymandered NC Congressional Districts

Good Grief! Thank Goodness the changing demographics will soon make this map catastrophe of no avail.

 

[JimH52]

???

That's exactly what I'm saying, the borders were redrawn in 2011...

So your complaining that the Republicans changed the gerrymandering of the democrats?

In 2012 the GOP lost the popular vote in NC for the house districts but won far more seats then the Democrats, the Gerrymander the GOP did in 2011 is far far worse then anything the Democrats did.

You are a lying sack of shit
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com

Lol, your link doesn't even post total vote numbers!

Here, I'll help you:

United States House of Representatives elections in North Carolina 2012 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Democratic Votes:	2,218,357	50.6%
Republicans Votes:	2,137,167	48.75%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Dumb ass stop using wiki when a legit link is being used.
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com
Hey stupid that's sad news for democrats you do realize this?
There are more registered democrats in North Carolina
Actually your links count is wrong
NCSBE Home

And another thing voting for the house of representatives the only votes that count are those within each individual districts total count means nothing.

So when you call people vulgar names, does it make you feel large? Just wondering.....

 

[RKMBrown]

Why do numb nutz think there are only democrats and republicans? Why do the mentally handicapped still not understand that there are other political affiliations that do in fact vote? Why do these retards think every democrat votes democrat and every republican votes republican every election?

 

[mudwhistle]

So your complaining that the Republicans changed the gerrymandering of the democrats?

In 2012 the GOP lost the popular vote in NC for the house districts but won far more seats then the Democrats, the Gerrymander the GOP did in 2011 is far far worse then anything the Democrats did.

You are a lying sack of shit
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com

Lol, your link doesn't even post total vote numbers!

Here, I'll help you:

United States House of Representatives elections in North Carolina 2012 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Democratic Votes:	2,218,357	50.6%
Republicans Votes:	2,137,167	48.75%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Dumb ass stop using wiki when a legit link is being used.
North Carolina House Election Results 2012 - Map District Results Live Updates - POLITICO.com
Hey stupid that's sad news for democrats you do realize this?
There are more registered democrats in North Carolina
Actually your links count is wrong
NCSBE Home

Why the heck are you posting registration statistics???

Your link doesn't provide a vote total....what do you want me to do, add up all the votes myself?

Fine, here you go, totals from YOUR LINK:

Democrat House District votes:

D1: 250,948
D2: 129,307
D3: 112,546
D4: 265,432
D5: 147,649
D6: 141,214
D7: 167,590
D8: 134,891
D9: 170,462
D10: 142,822
D11: 140,216
D12: 246,451
+D13: 169,637
-------------------
2,219,165 Total Democrat Votes

Republican House District Votes:

D1: 76,558
D2: 174,565
D3: 192,976
D4: 91,512
D5: 200,083
D6: 220,296
D7: 167,057
D8: 159,226
D9: 193,174
D10: 189,667
D11: 189,289
D12: 62,924
+D13: 225,791
--------------------
2,143,118 Total Republican House Votes

Democrats: 2,219,165 Votes
Republicans: 2,143,118 Votes

I'll leave it to you to figure out which is bigger

Southern states are still traditionally Democrat. Always have been since before the Civil War. Up in KY the registered voters break down as 52% Democrat, 36% Republican. This matters more for local government, but for national office many of the Democrats can't stomach the Democratic candidates, so they either won't vote for anyone or vote for the Republican.