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Interesting.Laws protect the rights of citizens. Citizens are persons born or naturalized in the United States. That doesn't include fetuses.
Why/how is it then illegal to capture stray cats and burn them alive?
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Interesting.Laws protect the rights of citizens. Citizens are persons born or naturalized in the United States. That doesn't include fetuses.
By using the term "human being" and then assigning an appropriate definition for that term, the pro-abortion-on-demand crowd can argue the moral acceptability in ending certain human lives whenever convenient to do so.and the argument was once made (and legally supported) that black people are 3/5ths of a human being.
Our laws evolve.
I believe that a fetus is a human being and deserves protection under our legal system. Scientific evidence supports that conclusion as does common sense. If a fetus is NOT a human, then what is it? An banana?
After all, it was a non-person.
The war with ones conscience demands some accommodations. I get that.
But I also wouldn't dream of harassing a woman who is probably already having one of the worst days of her life by heckling her as she walks into a clinic.
The biological realities of procreation create HUGE inequities between men and women imho. And if anyone has an idea about how to level that playing field without taking a life - I'm all ears.
By using the term "human being" and then assigning an appropriate definition for that term, the pro-abortion-on-demand crowd can argue the moral acceptability in ending certain human lives whenever convenient to do so.
After all, it was a non-person.
The war with ones conscience demands some accommodations. I get that.
But I also wouldn't dream of harassing a woman who is probably already having one of the worst days of her life by heckling her as she walks into a clinic.
The biological realities of procreation create HUGE inequities between men and women imho. And if anyone has an idea about how to level that playing field without taking a life - I'm all ears.
You have already answered your own question,the default is life. Yes life is many shades of black and white,untill you back it up to a living being,then is not so fuzzy.
Seems to me what when you have to lie to yourself to ease your conscious, you pretty much invalidate your own point.By using the term "human being" and then assigning an appropriate definition for that term, the pro-abortion-on-demand crowd can argue the moral acceptability in ending certain human lives whenever convenient to do so.and the argument was once made (and legally supported) that black people are 3/5ths of a human being.
Our laws evolve.
I believe that a fetus is a human being and deserves protection under our legal system. Scientific evidence supports that conclusion as does common sense. If a fetus is NOT a human, then what is it? An banana?
After all, it was a non-person.
The war with ones conscience demands some accommodations. I get that.
First, your link doesn't say that blacks were subjects in the 3/5ths clause. Second, it doesn't mention any legal support for anyone being 3/5ths of a human, but rather that only three out of five persons of some populations shall be considered for representation (and for tax purposes).Liberals will claim that blacks are 3/5ths human constitutionally, which, of course is wrong. But has that argument really ever been legally supported?and the argument was once made (and legally supported) that black people are 3/5ths of a human being.
Our laws evolve.
I believe that a fetus is a human being and deserves protection under our legal system. Scientific evidence supports that conclusion as does common sense. If a fetus is NOT a human, then what is it? An banana?
At any rate our legal system has two major pillars that support protecting a fetus:
1) To err on the side of life. If we are uncertain in a death penalty case - we have decided to err on the side of life - not execution. So if we can't be certain about when human life actually begins (and not just trying to massage a guilty conscience, but REAL questions) then we should err on the side of life and protect the fetus.
2) One HUGE reason for laws is so society can help protect the rights of the weaker - those who are unable to protect themselves - from the stronger who would trample their rights for their own convenience. That principle demands that we protect fetuses.
Laws protect the rights of citizens. Citizens are persons born or naturalized in the United States. That doesn't include fetuses.
Yes, that argument has been supported legally:
Digital History
(Hence the comment about our laws evolving)
So you say our laws don't protect you unless you're a citizen?
So it's perfectly legal to kill an illegal alien?????
I don't think you thought that post through very well.
The argument is made that a fetus is not a human being.
I don't know at which stage of life that a fetus becomes a human being if at all.
Just like fetuses, cats are not protected by the Constitution, either. However, the difference between fetuses and cats is that cats are protected by animal cruelty laws.Interesting.Laws protect the rights of citizens. Citizens are persons born or naturalized in the United States. That doesn't include fetuses.
Why/how is it then illegal to capture stray cats and burn them alive?
Seems to me what when you have to lie to yourself to ease your conscious, you pretty much invalidate your own point.By using the term "human being" and then assigning an appropriate definition for that term, the pro-abortion-on-demand crowd can argue the moral acceptability in ending certain human lives whenever convenient to do so.
After all, it was a non-person.
The war with ones conscience demands some accommodations. I get that.
So... your statement that "Laws protect the rights of citizens" is, at best, inaccurate because, as you admit, laws can and do protect things other than the rights of citizens.Just like fetuses, cats are not protected by the Constitution, either. However, the difference between fetuses and cats is that cats are protected by animal cruelty laws.Interesting.Laws protect the rights of citizens. Citizens are persons born or naturalized in the United States. That doesn't include fetuses.
Why/how is it then illegal to capture stray cats and burn them alive?
First, your link doesn't say that blacks were subjects in the 3/5ths clause. Second, it doesn't mention any legal support for anyone being 3/5ths of a human, but rather that only three out of five persons of some populations shall be considered for representation (and for tax purposes).Liberals will claim that blacks are 3/5ths human constitutionally, which, of course is wrong. But has that argument really ever been legally supported?
Laws protect the rights of citizens. Citizens are persons born or naturalized in the United States. That doesn't include fetuses.
Yes, that argument has been supported legally:
Digital History
(Hence the comment about our laws evolving)
So you say our laws don't protect you unless you're a citizen?
So it's perfectly legal to kill an illegal alien?????
I don't think you thought that post through very well.
If I kill an illegal alien, do you not think that the government of that person's country will come after me?
Did you read this part?Second, it doesn't mention any legal support
Uh noIf I kill an illegal alien, do you not think that the government of that person's country will come after me?
I don't know at which stage of life that a fetus becomes a human being if at all.
Laws do protect the rights of citizens. Also some "rights" of cats.So... your statement that "Laws protect the rights of citizens" is, at best, inaccurate because, as you admit, laws can and do protect things other than the rights of citizens.Just like fetuses, cats are not protected by the Constitution, either. However, the difference between fetuses and cats is that cats are protected by animal cruelty laws.Interesting.
Why/how is it then illegal to capture stray cats and burn them alive?
Right?
Yes, really. So it's legal to kill fetuses.Laws do protect the rights of citizens. Also some "rights" of cats.So... your statement that "Laws protect the rights of citizens" is, at best, inaccurate because, as you admit, laws can and do protect things other than the rights of citizens.
Right?
Not of fetuses.
Really?
So it's legal to get an abortion in the ninth month?
Yes, really. So it's legal to kill fetuses.Laws do protect the rights of citizens. Also some "rights" of cats.
Not of fetuses.
Really?
So it's legal to get an abortion in the ninth month?
The argument is made that a fetus is not a human being.
I don't know at which stage of life that a fetus becomes a human being if at all.
Is an infant (newly born baby) a human being? Why?