Where is it written that 2nd Amend is to keep Govt. in Check?

[martybegan]

IF ....
You have a constitutional right to wage war on equal footing with the United States government then you would have the right to own surface to air missiles, nuclear submarines, etc ....

Do you think you have that right?

nuff said.

You do NOT have the right to maintain weaponry in order to wage war on the U.S. government. The notion is beyond absurd. I can't believe people capable of upright walking would even try to argue the point.

The concept during the time of the consitution limited people to arms. There was no right to artillery, and that was a crucial part of military strategy at the time. We also did not have the right to our own navies (which require artillery to be effective).

The idea is that a population does not need crew served weapons to outright win a fight against a corrupt government. The idea is to make it expensive enough and dangerous enough for said corrupt government that they never even try. To do that at a minimum you need weapons at least comparable to what a standard infantryman would carry. A revolver and a shotgun really dont meet that, a semi-automatic rifle does.

Ask our military how effective an insurgency armed with basic weapons can be, now add the fact that a portion of that military would switch sides during any insurrection.

We live in a time of stable governments. Why does everyone assume that this will always be the case? And forget going against the government, what happens if something goes down that reduces the ability of the government to give aid or control its territory? Do you want to face that with a 6 shot locked revolver and a mandated limit of 50 rounds?

 

[jillian]

Um, no. That is not how it works. If laws are unconstitutional, they are not laws, thus nothing about them is enforceable.

According to your idea of how our government works, Congress could pass a law that says everyone in Fairfax County, VA must be executed by the end of next week. So, all these persons in FFX County would have to prove they shouldn't be executed by the end of next week.

That's absurd.

It's the way it works.
How do you think the Constitutionality of a law is determined?
By some idiot CLAIMING what is and what is not Constitutional?
By consulting the Turner Diaries?
Nope.
It is determined by SCOTUS rulings and SCOTUS has to have a case to rule on.

Now you're catching on.

And, the SCOTUS has ruled in DC v Heller that the Constitution says just what it says: an individual has a right to have arms.

it ALSO held that there is a right of reasonable regulation.

the question then becomes, like every other such question... what is REASONABLE regulation.

 

[Truthmatters]

Uh Jilian you cant be that stupid...you just like taking away Constitutional rights that you dont like.....again dont be a retard

The scotus ALREADY said gun laws are perfectly constitutional.

why do you people act like complete idiots in the face of facts?

The SCOTUS also said that seperate but equal when it came to government actions and public areas was just fine... 100 years ago. They ruled against the civil war amendments due to thier political beliefs.

Whats to stop the judges from doing the same now?

Supreme Court Shoots Down D.C. Gun Ban - ABC News



Writing for the 5-4 majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said that the Constitution protects an individual's right to keep and carry a gun. The decision will affect gun control laws across the country.

"We hold that the District's ban on handgun possession in the home violated the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense."

He addressed the "problem of handgun violence" by saying there are a "variety of tools" such as "measures regulating handguns" available

 

[martybegan]

The scotus ALREADY said gun laws are perfectly constitutional.

why do you people act like complete idiots in the face of facts?

The SCOTUS also said that seperate but equal when it came to government actions and public areas was just fine... 100 years ago. They ruled against the civil war amendments due to thier political beliefs.

Whats to stop the judges from doing the same now?

you're misstating the law.

and analogizing taking certain weapons or clips out of the hands of individuals is NOT abridging your right to own a gun.

i'd suggest you go look at the helelr decision again.

and then go look at the right to counsel cases.

But it sure as hell is infringing on it.

Heller went part of the way, it needs to go way further.

 

[Truthmatters]

Its your most right wing of right wing dudes

 

[hazlnut]

Wingnuts keep saying the Second Amendment is to keep the government in check.

Where is this written in the Constitution?

Wayne Lapierre wrote it in his book.

And Timothy McVeigh used to hand out pamphlets promoting that notion.

Hitler passed out pamphlets for socialism.

Good comparison, Wayne Lapierre and Timothy McVeigh to the madman Hitler.

See how far we've come, we now marginalize madmen like Hitler.

 

[Truthmatters]

Supreme Court Shoots Down D.C. Gun Ban - ABC News



Writing for the 5-4 majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said that the Constitution protects an individual's right to keep and carry a gun. The decision will affect gun control laws across the country.

"We hold that the District's ban on handgun possession in the home violated the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense."

He addressed the "problem of handgun violence" by saying there are a "variety of tools" such as "measures regulating handguns" available





Its already decided

 

[Truthmatters]

If scalia doesnt agree with you then you have no chance in hell

 

[martybegan]

It's the way it works.
How do you think the Constitutionality of a law is determined?
By some idiot CLAIMING what is and what is not Constitutional?
By consulting the Turner Diaries?
Nope.
It is determined by SCOTUS rulings and SCOTUS has to have a case to rule on.

Now you're catching on.

And, the SCOTUS has ruled in DC v Heller that the Constitution says just what it says: an individual has a right to have arms.

it ALSO held that there is a right of reasonable regulation.

the question then becomes, like every other such question... what is REASONABLE regulation.

Reasonable puts the burden on the state to prove why it should deny you common weapons in civilian and police service, comparable to the modern infantryman. (police are civilans, not military).

Reducing a clip size to 7 rounds as a run around to ban certian types of guns is not reasonable.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Uh Jilian you cant be that stupid...you just like taking away Constitutional rights that you dont like.....again dont be a retard

The scotus ALREADY said gun laws are perfectly constitutional.

why do you people act like complete idiots in the face of facts?

The SCOTUS also said that seperate but equal when it came to government actions and public areas was just fine... 100 years ago. They ruled against the civil war amendments due to thier political beliefs.

Whats to stop the judges from doing the same now?

That is true enough. If SCOTUS suddenly decides that the Second Amendment means you have the right to own weapons in order to wage a war on equal footing against the United States of America, then it's the law.

But they have NEVER come close to making such a rulking. In fact, the rulings they have made allowing bans on weapons that the U.S. Military uses is a pretty clear indication that they DO NOT believe that the second amendment gives you the right to weapons to be used in a war against the United States.

Please people - TRY to use some brain cells.

 

[eflatminor]

The scotus ALREADY said gun laws are perfectly constitutional.

ALL laws? Sure they did...

 

[buckeye45_73]

Supreme Court Shoots Down D.C. Gun Ban - ABC News



Writing for the 5-4 majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said that the Constitution protects an individual's right to keep and carry a gun. The decision will affect gun control laws across the country.

"We hold that the District's ban on handgun possession in the home violated the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense."

He addressed the "problem of handgun violence" by saying there are a "variety of tools" such as "measures regulating handguns" available





Its already decided

So a question have Chicago and DC given up their bans yet? Why are the crime rate so high in those cities with the gun bans they have?

The question is truth, why do you want restrictions on guns?

 

[g5000]

To keep government in check:

Declaration of Independence:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Noah Webster:

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.

James Madison's original wording of the Second Amendment:

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.

There are several Supreme Court decisions which explain that the amendment is not saying you must belong to a standing or existing militia to own a gun, but that every able bodied man must be able to possess a gun in the event they are needed to be called upon to defend their country.

 

[Truthmatters]

Pretending that gun laws are unconstitutional is a fucking lie folks

 

[thanatos144]

Pretending that gun laws are unconstitutional is a fucking lie folks

More proof you dont know shit.

 

[eflatminor]

Pretending any gun law is unconstitutional is insane.

Pretending any gun law is constitutional is more so.

 

[Truthmatters]

You people need to START accepting proven facts.


your party has a 26% approval rating in this country.


You got there by thinking you could just deny facts you dont like.



denying facts will kill your party outright

 

[Truthmatters]

Supreme Court Shoots Down D.C. Gun Ban - ABC News



Writing for the 5-4 majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said that the Constitution protects an individual's right to keep and carry a gun. The decision will affect gun control laws across the country.

"We hold that the District's ban on handgun possession in the home violated the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense."

He addressed the "problem of handgun violence" by saying there are a "variety of tools" such as "measures regulating handguns" available






Its already decided

who is it you think will back your false claims?

 

[thanatos144]

You people need to START accepting proven facts.


your party has a 26% approval rating in this country.


You got there by thinking you could just deny facts you dont like.



denying facts will kill your party outright

If you feel so strongly why dont you post a big sign in your yard saying your house is a gun free zone?

 

[Truthmatters]

Just what do you think you people have to gain by repeting lies that have NO basis in fact?