CDZ Where have all the Liberals gone?

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    That's a good start. You framed the problem (as you see it), very generally, but you framed it. Now, what to do about it?
    First, how do we decide(more importantly who decides) who needs to "get off the porch"?
    Second, how do we get them "off the porch"?
    Third, and most important IMHO, what are you doing/willing to do yourself?
     
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    The Gringrich Congress and Clinton got off to a start....get them off Welfare after a couple of years. (Bush relaxed that; then Obama killed it)

    But, I have been watching the phenomena of the Inter-Generational Porch Sitter for decades, and the only thing I see any real hope in...now that we have a full blown Porch Sitter Class, nurtured and defended by Democrats...is an approach that both Conservatives and Liberals would likely hate.

    Probably won't be ready for it until the country has busted out.

    And that is to Pay Unmarried Girls, age 15 to 18 not to get pregnant.

    It would have to start as a pilot program....strickly Voluntary...in a few of the worst areas....some boroughs of Chicago of course...maybe some in Los Angeles...one or so in some place like Birmingham or Memphis. They go to their local Health Care office...get all the condums or other birth control they want for free...and they register....then check back every other month...take one of those cheap quick pregnancy tests....and if they are not pregnant...they get a check. How much I don't know, but for every child an unmarried teenage mother doesn't create in South Chicago, obviously will save the Tax Payer a fortune...almost every one thus created turns into another Welfare Queen or a Druggie who works his way in and out of the Penal System throughout life.

    As to those working their way through the Penal System, we need to go back to Work Release. Those who Volunteer could reduce their sentences by riding a well-guarded Bus out to pick Oranges in California during the season, and that would lessen the need for illegal Mexicans who quit picking oranges and go on Welfare as soon as they can, as a rule.

    There must be something done to re-instill into America those things which made it great---Jeffersonian Ideals of Self-Reliance, Individual Responsibility, Work Ethic...Meritocracy.

    But the Bolsheviks (Democrats) would scream; And the Pussies (Republicans) couldn't stand the heat they would get from the New York Media, particularly since the possible benefits wouldn't become apparent until after the next election.

    The only other answer, ultimately, is complete Socialism, then collapse. It even happened to the Romans eventually, and for the same reasons we are seeing in America. Porch Sitters and out-of-control immigration looking to suck off a free & generous tit.

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    This is what happened to them.

     
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    OK, let's start at the top: Corrupt* Presidents over the past 40 years.

    Carter - Not corrupt
    Reagan - Not Corrupt
    Bush 41 - Not Corrupt
    Clinton - Corrupt
    Bush 43 - Not Corrupt
    Obama - Corrupt

    Dems 2, Reps 0.

    *Corrupt means selling favors or lying to the public for personal or political gain.
     
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    Excellent vid. Thanks for sharing it.
     
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    Which none of the democrats did, but most of the Republicans did.

    The data bears that out. This data is taken from List of federal political scandals in the United States - Wikipedia

    The first number is indictments, second number is convictions.

    Obama 0 0
    Carter 1 0
    Clinton 2 1
    Bush1 1 1
    Ford 1 1
    Bush2 16 16
    Reagan 26 16
    Nixon 76 55

    Obama ran the cleanest administration of our lifetimes. The admins of Bush2, Reagan and Nixon were rife with corruption. Those points are not debatable by any honest person.
     
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    So, what inspires your unhinged hated of Eric _Holder_? That is, other than the fact that he wouldn't prosecute Democrats based entirely on your crazy fantasies that were all flatly contradicted by all the facts and evidence.

    ... is clearly because the Democrats were squeaky clean. That's what the evidence indicates. You're making up a conspiracy theory here to explain why your partisan fantasies don't match the evidence.

    It's not complicated. Democrats are usually clean. Republicans are usually corrupt. Your attempts to jail the squeaky clean Democrats on faked charges are the kind of thing that Stalin would do, and are very obvious examples of Republican corruption.
     
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    I've said it many times - that Conservatives are gone. They've been replaced by absolutely insane and willfully ignorant right wingers.

    And look what they've done. There's not one person on this planet who actually believed the bizarre lies from trump. Starting with his idiotic wall and continuing right up to this morning's embarrassing Twitter tantrum, there is no one who does not know that if his lips are moving, he's lying.

    And they voted for that.

    They know he has done almost nothing and certainly nothing constructive or helpful. They know the only things he's done have harmed the working class and poor and that he will do more of the same.

    They also know he is stealing the country blind. He pockets millions every week and they're fine wth that.

    They know he colluded with Russia and still is. They know his kids are stealing from us. They know he's a racist, kkk, they know he has close ties to mob criminals and probably is himself and they know his wife's family is communist. And dammit, they KNOW he wants to gut the constitution and that he's already gotten a good start on that. IOW, they know yes a traitor.

    But, we've seen them worship Putin and other dictators so why would they object to him doing the same?

    So, yeah. The OP is right. I used to think we could find common ground but I'm doubting it more every day.




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    "Wealth redistribution"

    That's another thing about trump's never ending lies. He's now very openly taking money from the working class and giving it the wealthy.

    In fact,me is the personification of everything RWNJs and (ahem) christians SAY they hate but they shore do love it from him.

    Yesterday or the day before, you and others went on and about a gay pride parade and yet you voted for a man who has, throughout his life, has done so much worse.

    smh


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