When will they understand?

[Wry Catcher]

You know, we import about twice as much from China as we export to them.

If there is a trade war, expect everything that is made in China to go up significantly.

That means damn near everything you buy at Wal Mart.

True. They have a lot more to lose than we do, at least on that part of the equation.

Wal Mart is a great American company! They provide job opportunities for people no one else will hire

? China trades in other markets, bozo. The American consumer will lose in a trade war.

Let me help you since you are not wearing your spectacles.

And you lecturing me on free trade is a classic since I'm always for it, including now, and your support of free trade is a recent and temporary phenomenon driven by a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome

Hey asshole, find any post or thread in which I spoke on trade issues. You're not only an asshole, you're a damn lying asshole.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Will they now?

"Trump Country looks to be hit hardest as China strikes back against new tariffs the U.S. president announced Thursday.

"U.S. agriculture and the president’s rural political base are in China’s sights as it weighs retaliation after Donald Trump slapped tariffs on at least $50 billion in Chinese imports.

"In its initial counterstrike, China announced a 25 percent levy on U.S. pork imports -- a heavy blow to Iowa, the top pork-producing state and a political battleground that swung to Trump in 2016 after going for Democrat Barack Obama in the previous two elections.

"But the president risks broader damage to the economy and to his political standing if the tit-for-tat with China escalates into a trade war, an outcome investors worried was growing more likely, sending stocks tumbling.

"But the president risks broader damage to the economy and to his political standing if the tit-for-tat with China escalates into a trade war, an outcome investors worried was growing more likely, sending stocks tumbling."
Trump Country May Be Hit Hardest by Chinese Tariff Retaliation

Don't worry, be happy, I'll pray for trump supporters, that's always a solution to serous problems. Isn't it?

It may cause inflation and we might not be able to buy cheap shit from China anymore at the Dollar Store, but if it lets people eventually get back their GOOD jobs, would it be worth it? When I was a kid, people didn't automatically aspire to a McMansion in the suburbs. A modest house in a decent neighborhood with good schools was where people set their sights. They remodeled by replacing the sofa slipcovers every ten years or so. We've gone nuts with the consumer thing.
I don't know anything about economies, but what we've had is not so great. A change might be good. Anyway, you'll never convince the Trumpkins that the trade wars are bad news until the price of an AR goes up $200.

IF it brings jobs back? We have turned the corner from a manufacturing base to a service base, so I very much doubt we will create many jobs where technology, i.e. robots have replaced people.

We are, and have been a consumer based economy since the end of WW II. And yet, retail jobs are being eliminated as we speak. Shoppers shop at home on their computers, and UPS / Fed Ex trucks are ubiquitous on our roadways.

Maybe its time to consider new ways, instead of seeking what may have been successful in the past?

There are a lot of people in Mexico, Vietnam, China, India that are making our stuff and earning $10 less per hour. It's not all automated. I can't blame a business for taking advantage of cheap labor, but I know better than to think every overseas factory is run solely by robots. If they were, the companies wouldn't have moved to begin with.
I agree we don't need to be looking backward, but I'm not going to piss on the idea just because a Republican said it.

Labor is cheap in third world countries. Have you never heard of Sweat shops? I don't make stuff up:

Income in US dollars - for low paid sweatshop worker, so far this year

"Sweatshops are factories where workers work long hours under poor conditions, and for very low wages. Sweatshops produce many different goods including toys, shoes and furniture. Most of the world's clothing is manufactured in sweatshops - including many designer brands."

"Sweatshop wages can be so low that they barely cover essential needs. Some people work for as little as 1 US cent per hour, often more than 100 hours per week in conditions of poor air quality and extreme heat."

 

[Wry Catcher]

Wry's right to the extent that China simply produces cheap shit cheaper than other places. It's workers work cheaper. It's Healthcare is cheaper. At some point someone else will be cheaper. Taiwan, Indonesia, Korea ..... yes China dumps steel and did dump solar, maybe it still does. But there are item by item reasons that have little to do with ..... they produce cheap shit cheaper.

And, Wry's right that Trump does not address intellectual property, which should be the number one issue. As, we stopped buying their steel already.

My ham doesn't come from china though. It's not gonna be good for Mississippi Ag with a trade war though.

Mine comes from CostCo, I don't know where CostCo got it.

 

[bendog]

We had ham for Christmas when our kid was home. The wife doesn't do nitrates well, and we ate some corned beef for Drunken Irishmen's Day. Good reminder, thanks. Maybe I'll run to Sams this weekend and get some Lamb. She'd like that. It's from NZ

 

[kaz]

You know, we import about twice as much from China as we export to them.

If there is a trade war, expect everything that is made in China to go up significantly.

That means damn near everything you buy at Wal Mart.

True. They have a lot more to lose than we do, at least on that part of the equation.

Wal Mart is a great American company! They provide job opportunities for people no one else will hire

? China trades in other markets, bozo. The American consumer will lose in a trade war.

Let me help you since you are not wearing your spectacles.

And you lecturing me on free trade is a classic since I'm always for it, including now, and your support of free trade is a recent and temporary phenomenon driven by a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome

Hey asshole, find any post or thread in which I spoke on trade issues. You're not only an asshole, you're a damn lying asshole.

If you were telling the truth, you wouldn't be lying that you never knew that most Democrats oppose free trade. You made your double standard clear

 

[Wry Catcher]

You know, we import about twice as much from China as we export to them.

If there is a trade war, expect everything that is made in China to go up significantly.

That means damn near everything you buy at Wal Mart.

True. They have a lot more to lose than we do, at least on that part of the equation.

Wal Mart is a great American company! They provide job opportunities for people no one else will hire

? China trades in other markets, bozo. The American consumer will lose in a trade war.

Let me help you since you are not wearing your spectacles.

And you lecturing me on free trade is a classic since I'm always for it, including now, and your support of free trade is a recent and temporary phenomenon driven by a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome

Hey asshole, find any post or thread in which I spoke on trade issues. You're not only an asshole, you're a damn lying asshole.

If you were telling the truth, you wouldn't be lying that you never knew that most Democrats oppose free trade. You made your double standard clear

F. U. I NEVER SAID A THING ABOUT "OTHER DEMOCRATS". YOU ARE A GD LIAR AS WELL AS AN ASSHOLE.

 

[Wry Catcher]

We had ham for Christmas when our kid was home. The wife doesn't do nitrates well, and we ate some corned beef for Drunken Irishmen's Day. Good reminder, thanks. Maybe I'll run to Sams this weekend and get some Lamb. She'd like that. It's from NZ

I like a rack of lamb but never had it growing up. My dad's uncle took him to the slaughter house one spring, he never ate lamb again.

 

[g5000]

The tariff's aren't even in effect and "the sky is falling" hypocrite hysterical lefties are suddenly worried about rural America pork producers. Yeah right.

Trump's tariffs aren't even in effect and he and the histrionic pseudocons were already attributing millions of imaginary new jobs to him.

Meanwhile, the stock market has been tanking.

 

[bendog]

Well, the little rack of lambs are really too big for just the two of us. Maybe I'll go early tomorrow to see if they have some marked down miniature chops. And no, I never seen a lamb slaughtered. Chickens chased me as a child, and I hate them. Pigs could kill you, no mercy there. Deer, don't care for it much, but they will die horrible deaths without hunting. Beef .... I worked havesting cornfeed one year, but never went in the slaughter house. We slaughtered them on the farm, and the little bastards were mean at branding and castrating time .... who could blame them. Now my uncles who stood around drinking Beam and Coors and eating raw testicles ..... encouraged me to go to college. (-:

There are plenty of jobs to be had, but they are not jobs coming back in.

 

[ABikerSailor]

If you guys don't think that China will kick our ass in a trade war, do yourself a favor.

Next time you come back from the store after buying stuff like clothes, shoes, toys, and other assorted things like that, check the labels and see where it's made.

I bet you that at least 60 percent is made in China.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Q. When will they understand

A. Never.

 

[Correll]

Just a year and a half ago you idiots were making Hillary disavow her 20 year old NAFTA endorsement. You're the anti-free trade party. Now you're for free trade because Trump is against it. You're such liars. And you'll switch back after Trump. If Trump said he was pro-choice, you'd attack him for not being pro-life like you are ...

You use on data point and conclude million of others are not free traders? Q. Are you that stupid
A. It seems so.

Maybe if you put your emotional tirades and hate aside, you might one day post something substantive.

You're a hoot. You think the leftists across the board attacking our most basic treaty "on data point?" Seriously?

Clinton fought Democrats with NAFTA, not Republicans. Democrats fight against every trade Treaty other than TPP which was a socialist globalist treaty not a trade treaty.

Trump comes out anti-free trade, so you flip sides to attack him. And post-Trump, you'll flip back

I maybe seem to be a hoot to you, but your opinions are not credible.

Your disability to read without a bias to defend your narrative is the issue. Have someone with a background in reading and comprehending English read your post and my response on the data point you so misunderstand.

YOur attempt to dismiss the valid point the other poster made is rejected.


Deal with them, or they will be the last word, the end of your thread, such as it is.

Democrats are such terrible liars. Like we don't remember they are the ones who fight every trade treaty

I think it is because they live in such a bubble. No one they know, or at least no one they care about, ever calls them on their bullshit lies,


they all pretend to believe the shit they say, all the while knowing that it does not mean shit, that they will reverse positions when it serves their purpose no matter how soon.


Hell, I've seen Wry do it in two sentences, back to back.

 

[Correll]

It may cause inflation and we might not be able to buy cheap shit from China anymore at the Dollar Store, but if it lets people eventually get back their GOOD jobs, would it be worth it? When I was a kid, people didn't automatically aspire to a McMansion in the suburbs. A modest house in a decent neighborhood with good schools was where people set their sights. They remodeled by replacing the sofa slipcovers every ten years or so. We've gone nuts with the consumer thing.
I don't know anything about economies, but what we've had is not so great. A change might be good. Anyway, you'll never convince the Trumpkins that the trade wars are bad news until the price of an AR goes up $200.

IF it brings jobs back? We have turned the corner from a manufacturing base to a service base, so I very much doubt we will create many jobs where technology, i.e. robots have replaced people.

We are, and have been a consumer based economy since the end of WW II. And yet, retail jobs are being eliminated as we speak. Shoppers shop at home on their computers, and UPS / Fed Ex trucks are ubiquitous on our roadways.

Maybe its time to consider new ways, instead of seeking what may have been successful in the past?

And yet in your op, YOU, sound the alarm of a threat to our pig farmers, an industry that was developed, literally, in the Stone Age.

I sounded the Alarm? I guess so, and like some other people you'll choose to ignore it. China lighted the fire, I reported seeing the flames, and you and others may one day feel the heat , yet.

Denial ends when one touches a hot stove - though some never learn from experience, vicariously or in the ER.

In your op, you have attacked and ridiculed the idea of basing policy on protection our manufacturing base, as it is of "the past"

while advocating that we should protect the interests of our agricultural and animal husbandry segments of our economy, which are VASTLY more of "the past", than manufacturing.

You're wrong. We need to protect our intellectual property, not manufacturing. More and more manufacturing is becoming less labor intensive as more robots and computers take over what were once jobs done by human hands.

Instead of picking a fight with China, we need to keep the diplomatic lines open. China is pragmatic, and looks to the future. Trump can't see beyond today, he is impulsive and intractable, he does not listen to others, 'cept maybe Putin, and can't get alone with anyone who does not kiss his fat ass.

1. We need to protect BOTH. We have been protecting neither.

2. China is opportunistic and has been taking advantage of US being fools. They need that surplus.

3. Trump is right to fight back against those that are taking advantage of US.


4. If manufacturing is so unimportant and of the "past" while China is looking to the "future", then why are they pissed off by Trump's tariff threat? If your observations were true, the expected response from them would be, "Whatever, we don't care".


After all, that's what you think our response to our loss of manufacturing should be, is it not?

 

[kaz]

You use on data point and conclude million of others are not free traders? Q. Are you that stupid
A. It seems so.

Maybe if you put your emotional tirades and hate aside, you might one day post something substantive.

You're a hoot. You think the leftists across the board attacking our most basic treaty "on data point?" Seriously?

Clinton fought Democrats with NAFTA, not Republicans. Democrats fight against every trade Treaty other than TPP which was a socialist globalist treaty not a trade treaty.

Trump comes out anti-free trade, so you flip sides to attack him. And post-Trump, you'll flip back

I maybe seem to be a hoot to you, but your opinions are not credible.

Your disability to read without a bias to defend your narrative is the issue. Have someone with a background in reading and comprehending English read your post and my response on the data point you so misunderstand.

YOur attempt to dismiss the valid point the other poster made is rejected.


Deal with them, or they will be the last word, the end of your thread, such as it is.

Democrats are such terrible liars. Like we don't remember they are the ones who fight every trade treaty

I think it is because they live in such a bubble. No one they know, or at least no one they care about, ever calls them on their bullshit lies,


they all pretend to believe the shit they say, all the while knowing that it does not mean shit, that they will reverse positions when it serves their purpose no matter how soon.


Hell, I've seen Wry do it in two sentences, back to back.

Yes, they prop up each other's lies. My favorite right now is how they are simultaneously arguing that Russia is the evil empire (elections) and completely benign (Uranium One).

They flip back and forth like it's nothing

 

[nat4900]

lefties are suddenly worried about rural America pork producers. Yeah right.

The above MORON misses the entire point of the thread, AND is an example of what personifies this cartoon

 

[Correll]

You're a hoot. You think the leftists across the board attacking our most basic treaty "on data point?" Seriously?

Clinton fought Democrats with NAFTA, not Republicans. Democrats fight against every trade Treaty other than TPP which was a socialist globalist treaty not a trade treaty.

Trump comes out anti-free trade, so you flip sides to attack him. And post-Trump, you'll flip back

I maybe seem to be a hoot to you, but your opinions are not credible.

Your disability to read without a bias to defend your narrative is the issue. Have someone with a background in reading and comprehending English read your post and my response on the data point you so misunderstand.

YOur attempt to dismiss the valid point the other poster made is rejected.


Deal with them, or they will be the last word, the end of your thread, such as it is.

Democrats are such terrible liars. Like we don't remember they are the ones who fight every trade treaty

I think it is because they live in such a bubble. No one they know, or at least no one they care about, ever calls them on their bullshit lies,


they all pretend to believe the shit they say, all the while knowing that it does not mean shit, that they will reverse positions when it serves their purpose no matter how soon.


Hell, I've seen Wry do it in two sentences, back to back.

Yes, they prop up each other's lies. My favorite right now is how they are simultaneously arguing that Russia is the evil empire (elections) and completely benign (Uranium One).

They flip back and forth like it's nothing

That's a good one, but my favorite is how,


Trade deficits don't matter, manufacturing doesn't matter, and that Trump is wrong to try to reduce our trade deficit and to protect manufacturing.



All the while defending the idea that our trade partners, who are all led by more reasonable and smarter people than the US is, supposedly, will be outraged, rightfully so that we are threatening their trade SURPLUSES AND MANUFACTURING, and will of COURSE, take counter steps to defend their trade and manufacturing.



I repeatedly brought this to their attention, and I haven't been able to get one coherent response on the contradiction.


THey are just too bat shit crazy.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You use on data point and conclude million of others are not free traders? Q. Are you that stupid
A. It seems so.

Maybe if you put your emotional tirades and hate aside, you might one day post something substantive.

You're a hoot. You think the leftists across the board attacking our most basic treaty "on data point?" Seriously?

Clinton fought Democrats with NAFTA, not Republicans. Democrats fight against every trade Treaty other than TPP which was a socialist globalist treaty not a trade treaty.

Trump comes out anti-free trade, so you flip sides to attack him. And post-Trump, you'll flip back

I maybe seem to be a hoot to you, but your opinions are not credible.

Your disability to read without a bias to defend your narrative is the issue. Have someone with a background in reading and comprehending English read your post and my response on the data point you so misunderstand.

YOur attempt to dismiss the valid point the other poster made is rejected.


Deal with them, or they will be the last word, the end of your thread, such as it is.

Democrats are such terrible liars. Like we don't remember they are the ones who fight every trade treaty

I think it is because they live in such a bubble. No one they know, or at least no one they care about, ever calls them on their bullshit lies,


they all pretend to believe the shit they say, all the while knowing that it does not mean shit, that they will reverse positions when it serves their purpose no matter how soon.


Hell, I've seen Wry do it in two sentences, back to back.

You have? Cool, I'm always open to criticism, please post examples of when and how I demonstrated my reversal of positions: Oh, and don't limit it to one sentence find posts and threads too,m so I can learn and be a better person.

 

[USApatriotz]

As if Trump country will be helped by Democratic policies of MILLIONS of illegals & Muslim refugees taking their jobs & bringing all their garbage with them!!

 

[Correll]

If you guys don't think that China will kick our ass in a trade war, do yourself a favor.

Next time you come back from the store after buying stuff like clothes, shoes, toys, and other assorted things like that, check the labels and see where it's made.

I bet you that at least 60 percent is made in China.

And that's why we can't lose. They need to sell US that shit to keep their economy going.


We don't need to get our shit from them. We can buy elsewhere or even make it ourselves.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

It may cause inflation and we might not be able to buy cheap shit from China anymore at the Dollar Store, but if it lets people eventually get back their GOOD jobs, would it be worth it? When I was a kid, people didn't automatically aspire to a McMansion in the suburbs. A modest house in a decent neighborhood with good schools was where people set their sights. They remodeled by replacing the sofa slipcovers every ten years or so. We've gone nuts with the consumer thing.
I don't know anything about economies, but what we've had is not so great. A change might be good. Anyway, you'll never convince the Trumpkins that the trade wars are bad news until the price of an AR goes up $200.

IF it brings jobs back? We have turned the corner from a manufacturing base to a service base, so I very much doubt we will create many jobs where technology, i.e. robots have replaced people.

We are, and have been a consumer based economy since the end of WW II. And yet, retail jobs are being eliminated as we speak. Shoppers shop at home on their computers, and UPS / Fed Ex trucks are ubiquitous on our roadways.

Maybe its time to consider new ways, instead of seeking what may have been successful in the past?

And yet in your op, YOU, sound the alarm of a threat to our pig farmers, an industry that was developed, literally, in the Stone Age.

I sounded the Alarm? I guess so, and like some other people you'll choose to ignore it. China lighted the fire, I reported seeing the flames, and you and others may one day feel the heat , yet.

Denial ends when one touches a hot stove - though some never learn from experience, vicariously or in the ER.

In your op, you have attacked and ridiculed the idea of basing policy on protection our manufacturing base, as it is of "the past"

while advocating that we should protect the interests of our agricultural and animal husbandry segments of our economy, which are VASTLY more of "the past", than manufacturing.

You're wrong. We need to protect our intellectual property, not manufacturing. More and more manufacturing is becoming less labor intensive as more robots and computers take over what were once jobs done by human hands.

Instead of picking a fight with China, we need to keep the diplomatic lines open. China is pragmatic, and looks to the future. Trump can't see beyond today, he is impulsive and intractable, he does not listen to others, 'cept maybe Putin, and can't get alone with anyone who does not kiss his fat ass.

Why are you obsessed with advocating for China?

They use child and slave labor. Fuck China