When Will They Ever Learn?

[Phoenall]

Most definately only a one state solution with Palestinian self determination & a Muslim majority will bring peace for Israel. Question is where to put it as no surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their native homelands. Do you think Mecca would be a nice place for a Palestinian State?

Israel nt to gie up its Pnian

Most definately only a one state solution with Palestinian self determination & a Muslim majority will bring peace for Israel. Question is where to put it as no surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their native homelands. Do you think Mecca would be a nice place for a Palestinian State?

Strategically Israel would be better off with a Palestinian Buffer State to ward off the Muslim Horde coalescing world-wide. Muslims masses want to destroy Israel, if you had a successful prosperous Palestine they might protect you from attack within and without.

Stop sounding like a Nazi crazy with your expulsion prodding!

Welll hey, I have an idea you would like for peace. How about Israel gives the Palestinians all their nukes, fighter jets, tanks & all other sophisticated weaponry to protect Israel? Good idea Pbel?

I like your idea: kill'em all...

Oh heavens no. Where do you come up with bizarre thinking? Do you just want the Palestinians to continue living under Israel's brutal treatment of peace offerings, a security fence & land concessions to keep them suppressed under Zionist rule? Do you not care at all for the well being of Palestinains? Do you not want to free Palestine? Shame on you.

The way I see it, Israel needs to leave the West Bank and E. Jerusalem to Muslims and make a comprehensive Peace with the Arab League if there is any chance of survival for Israel in the long-term...

This would turn a Religious Conflict back to a Land Conflict and that can be mended.

They tried that in 1999 and were kicked in the face by the arab muslims, they wont try it again.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

This is wrong on so many levels.

I find it amazing how when one or more Palestinians kill one or more Israeli's, Israel retaliates & then the Pali's & their supports bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's after each of these conflicts. Bottom line is if you don't want Israel to kill Palestinians then the Palestinians should learn not to attack & kill Israelis.

the terrorist supporters don't get that part of the equation

The Israelis are just as much terrorists as the Apartheid South Africans and the Palestinians are no more terrorist than ANC freedom fighters. And you are no less a terrorist supporter than those that supported the Apartheid South Africans.

That's a pointless comparison even after you have spammed multiple threads, multiple times with the same nonsensical cut and paste.

It is a perfect analogy. Because it is inconvenient for you racists, doesn't make it any less perfect. People that lived under Apartheid confirm it.

"As Robin D.G. Kelley writes: “That Israel and its colonial occupation meet the UN’s definition of an apartheid state is beyond dispute.” Both apartheid South Africa and the Israeli state originated through a process of conquest and settlement largely justified on the grounds of religion and ethnic nationalism. Both pursued a legalized, large-scale program of displacing the earlier inhabitants from their land. Both instituted a variety of discriminatory laws based on racial or ethnic grounds. Outside of a tiny group of pro-Zionist organizations, the analogy is so widely accepted in South Africa that it draws little controversy. Indeed, leading members of the anti-apartheid struggle, including Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Jewish struggle veterans like Ronnie Kasrils, have repeatedly stated that the conditions in the West Bank and Gaza are “worse than apartheid.”

Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy

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You need to understand what "apartheid" means.

The Crime of Apartheid is an Article 7(1j) -- Crime Against Humanity issue.

"The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;

ELEMENTS of the OFFENSE:

1. The perpetrator committed an inhumane act against one or more persons.
2. Such act was an act referred to in article 7, paragraph 1, of the Statute, or was an act of a character similar to any of those acts. (It is understood that “character” refers to the nature and gravity of the act.)
3. The perpetrator was aware of the factual circumstances that established the character of the act.
4. The conduct was committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups.
5. The perpetrator intended to maintain such regime by that conduct.
6. The conduct was committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.
7. The perpetrator knew that the conduct was part of or intended the conduct to be part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.
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• One racial group over any other racial group or groups.

Israel, does not discriminate against the Arab Palestinians merely because they belong to a particular racial or ethnic group. In fact, any racial or ethnic group that is represented in the State of Palestine is also represented in the State of Israel.
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• Maintain such regime by that conduct.

Israel is not trying to maintain a regime. Israel is making an Article 51 defense against the influences of the Arab Palestinians, and their associates, that threaten the Jewish National Home from extinction. They have stated:

No recognition of the legitimacy of the occupation whatever; this is a principled position, political and moral, and therefore do not recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and recognition of "Israel" and the legitimacy of its presence on any part of Palestine no matter how long; nand it will not be long, God willing.

Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle.

Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures.

Palestine - all of Palestine - is a land of Islamic and Arab affiliation, a blessed sacred land, that has a major portion in the heart of every Arab and Muslim.
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• Widespread or systematic attack directed against a civilian population.

This is actually a main stay of the Arab Palestinian. In fact, an outstanding portion of the day was spent trying to convince a pro-Palestinian that the Arab Palestinians have no moral high ground or legal authority to indiscriminately fire into Israel, or to attack Israel civilian citizens.

Hamas: Armed resistance not negotiable in struggle against Israel​

Senior leader of Hamas Mahmoud al-Zahhar said all options are available to confront the Israeli occupation, including armed and popular resistance and resistance of boycott.

Armed resistance is not a political issue that may be negotiated, said al-Zahhar in a meeting organized by Hamas and the Islamic Jihad in Khan Younis City on Sunday to commemorate the day Jerusalem was occupied.

"It is neither a controversial, nor a negotiable issue; it is, rather, dogmatic fundamental cause in struggle against Israel," said al-Zahhar, referring to armed resistance, pointing out that Israel has long sought to erase the Palestinian constants, concerning the Palestinian lands, Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa Mosque.

Al-Zahhar stressed that the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) refuses a Palestinian state within the 1967 or 1948 territories, saying "Our policy is Palestine, all of Palestine". He explained that Palestine as a whole is a part of the Islamic dogma that is derived from the Holy Qura'an.

Speaking of relations with the Islamic Jihad, al-Zahhar confirmed that both movements cooperate at political, security, military, and syndicate levels. Political leaders meet continuously, said al-Zahhar. At military level, there is a full coordination between Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, added he. Al-Zahhar expressed his aspirations that both movements would unit, alongside with other Palestinian parties, to confront the Israeli occupier.

For More Visit Alresalah English http://english.alresalah.ps/en/post.php?id=4702
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The Hostile Arab Palestinian has no real similarity to the Arab-Israeli Conflict and the struggle to protect the Jewish National Home from being openly assailed by Arab Palestinians. They want to pretend that they are on some heroic quest to save something that most have never had and cannot miss because they never had it. Remember, it is less than 4% of the Palestinians are 65 years age and over: 3.85% (male 45,303/female 62,007) (2015 est.).

Most Respectfully,
R​

 

[montelatici]

Nothing at all wrong about persons having suffered under Apartheid recognizing that Israel is an Apartheid state. All your attempt at denying an inconvenient truth won't change the assessment of people that have experienced Apartheid.

 

[Hollie]

Nothing at all wrong about persons having suffered under Apartheid recognizing that Israel is an Apartheid state. All your attempt at denying an inconvenient truth won't change the assessment of people that have experienced Apartheid.

The inconvenient truth is that you have made no case that Israel is an apartheid state. Your attempts at denying your own incompetence at understanding terms and definitions is no ones fault but your own.

We certainly can, however, make a case for Islamism being fascist

.Christians in the Palestinian Territories | Jewish Virtual Library

The Christian community in the areas administered by the Palestinian Authority (PA) is a small but symbolically important one. About 35,000 Christians live in the West Bank and 3,000 in Gaza,1 representing about 1.3 percent of Palestinians. In addition, 12,500 Christians reside in eastern Jerusalem.

This population is rapidly dwindling, however, and not solely as a result of the difficult military and economic situation. Rather, there are numerous indications that the Christian population is beleaguered due to its Christianity. Taken in context of the condition of Christians in other Middle Eastern countries, this picture is especially credible and troubling.

A Second-Class People
Under Islam, Christians are considered dhimmi, a tolerated but second class who are afforded protection by Islam. Dhimmitude is integral to Islam; it is a "protection pact" that suspends "the [Muslim] conqueror's initial right to kill or enslave [Jews and Christians], provided they submitted themselves to pay tribute."

 

[montelatici]

Nothing at all wrong about persons having suffered under Apartheid recognizing that Israel is an Apartheid state. All your attempt at denying an inconvenient truth won't change the assessment of people that have experienced Apartheid.

The inconvenient truth is that you have made no case that Israel is an apartheid state. Your attempts at denying your own incompetence at understanding terms and definitions is no ones fault but your own.

We certainly can, however, make a case for Islamism being fascist

.Christians in the Palestinian Territories | Jewish Virtual Library

The Christian community in the areas administered by the Palestinian Authority (PA) is a small but symbolically important one. About 35,000 Christians live in the West Bank and 3,000 in Gaza,1 representing about 1.3 percent of Palestinians. In addition, 12,500 Christians reside in eastern Jerusalem.

This population is rapidly dwindling, however, and not solely as a result of the difficult military and economic situation. Rather, there are numerous indications that the Christian population is beleaguered due to its Christianity. Taken in context of the condition of Christians in other Middle Eastern countries, this picture is especially credible and troubling.

A Second-Class People
Under Islam, Christians are considered dhimmi, a tolerated but second class who are afforded protection by Islam. Dhimmitude is integral to Islam; it is a "protection pact" that suspends "the [Muslim] conqueror's initial right to kill or enslave [Jews and Christians], provided they submitted themselves to pay tribute."

You give me too much credit. I simply quoted South Africans, including South African Jews, that lived under Apartheid.

"Africa is a Country has published its first ebook, “Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy.” The ebook was edited by Jon Soske and Sean Jacobs. The contributors to the ebook areAchille Mbembe,Salim Vally, Andy Clarno, Arianna Lissoni, T.J. Tallie, Bill Freund, Marissa Moorman, Shireen Hassim, Robin D.G. Kelley, Heidi Grunebaum, and Melissa Levin. You can read the ebook here. Design and layout by Sam Clemence) This is the introduction:

We invited eleven scholars of Africa and its diaspora to reflect on the analogy between apartheid South Africa and contemporary Israel. The American Studies Association’s decision in February 2014 to endorse the academic boycott of Israel, followed by the state violence directed against the inhabitants of Gaza this past July, has intensified the debate over Israel/Palestine in universities across North America. The international, nonviolent campaign for boycott, divestment, and sanctions against Israel is gaining momentum by the day.

Most of the contributions to this forum underline the obvious similarities between apartheid South Africa and Israeli policies toward the Palestinians. As Robin D.G. Kelley writes: “That Israel and its colonial occupation meet the UN’s definition of an apartheid state is beyond dispute.” Both apartheid South Africa and the Israeli state originated through a process of conquest and settlement largely justified on the grounds of religion and ethnic nationalism. Both pursued a legalized, large-scale program of displacing the earlier inhabitants from their land. Both instituted a variety of discriminatory laws based on racial or ethnic grounds. Outside of a tiny group of pro-Zionist organizations, the analogy is so widely accepted in South Africa that it draws little controversy. Indeed, leading members of the anti-apartheid struggle, including Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Jewish struggle veterans like Ronnie Kasrils, have repeatedly stated that the conditions in the West Bank and Gaza are “worse than apartheid.”

Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy

 

[jillian]

Nothing at all wrong about persons having suffered under Apartheid recognizing that Israel is an Apartheid state. All your attempt at denying an inconvenient truth won't change the assessment of people that have experienced Apartheid.

Again. There has been no apartheid. Is English difficult for you?

 

[montelatici]

Palestinian Christians exist and were not "invented" as the Zionists would have us believe.

 

[montelatici]

Nothing at all wrong about persons having suffered under Apartheid recognizing that Israel is an Apartheid state. All your attempt at denying an inconvenient truth won't change the assessment of people that have experienced Apartheid.

Again. There has been no apartheid. Is English difficult for you?

On the contrary Israel is an Apartheid State as confirmed by South Africans who lived under apartheid. I think they are better judges of Apartheid than any of you Zionists.

 

[Phoenall]

Nothing at all wrong about persons having suffered under Apartheid recognizing that Israel is an Apartheid state. All your attempt at denying an inconvenient truth won't change the assessment of people that have experienced Apartheid.

The inconvenient truth is that you have made no case that Israel is an apartheid state. Your attempts at denying your own incompetence at understanding terms and definitions is no ones fault but your own.

We certainly can, however, make a case for Islamism being fascist

.Christians in the Palestinian Territories | Jewish Virtual Library

The Christian community in the areas administered by the Palestinian Authority (PA) is a small but symbolically important one. About 35,000 Christians live in the West Bank and 3,000 in Gaza,1 representing about 1.3 percent of Palestinians. In addition, 12,500 Christians reside in eastern Jerusalem.

This population is rapidly dwindling, however, and not solely as a result of the difficult military and economic situation. Rather, there are numerous indications that the Christian population is beleaguered due to its Christianity. Taken in context of the condition of Christians in other Middle Eastern countries, this picture is especially credible and troubling.

A Second-Class People
Under Islam, Christians are considered dhimmi, a tolerated but second class who are afforded protection by Islam. Dhimmitude is integral to Islam; it is a "protection pact" that suspends "the [Muslim] conqueror's initial right to kill or enslave [Jews and Christians], provided they submitted themselves to pay tribute."

You give me too much credit. I simply quoted South Africans, including South African Jews, that lived under Apartheid.

"Africa is a Country has published its first ebook, “Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy.” The ebook was edited by Jon Soske and Sean Jacobs. The contributors to the ebook areAchille Mbembe,Salim Vally, Andy Clarno, Arianna Lissoni, T.J. Tallie, Bill Freund, Marissa Moorman, Shireen Hassim, Robin D.G. Kelley, Heidi Grunebaum, and Melissa Levin. You can read the ebook here. Design and layout by Sam Clemence) This is the introduction:

We invited eleven scholars of Africa and its diaspora to reflect on the analogy between apartheid South Africa and contemporary Israel. The American Studies Association’s decision in February 2014 to endorse the academic boycott of Israel, followed by the state violence directed against the inhabitants of Gaza this past July, has intensified the debate over Israel/Palestine in universities across North America. The international, nonviolent campaign for boycott, divestment, and sanctions against Israel is gaining momentum by the day.

Most of the contributions to this forum underline the obvious similarities between apartheid South Africa and Israeli policies toward the Palestinians. As Robin D.G. Kelley writes: “That Israel and its colonial occupation meet the UN’s definition of an apartheid state is beyond dispute.” Both apartheid South Africa and the Israeli state originated through a process of conquest and settlement largely justified on the grounds of religion and ethnic nationalism. Both pursued a legalized, large-scale program of displacing the earlier inhabitants from their land. Both instituted a variety of discriminatory laws based on racial or ethnic grounds. Outside of a tiny group of pro-Zionist organizations, the analogy is so widely accepted in South Africa that it draws little controversy. Indeed, leading members of the anti-apartheid struggle, including Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Jewish struggle veterans like Ronnie Kasrils, have repeatedly stated that the conditions in the West Bank and Gaza are “worse than apartheid.”

Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy

So does this not also show that America is an apartheid state the way it treats Mexicans, Canadians and first nations people. Taking away their rights to live on their land freely and in a manner that best suits them.

 

[Phoenall]

Nothing at all wrong about persons having suffered under Apartheid recognizing that Israel is an Apartheid state. All your attempt at denying an inconvenient truth won't change the assessment of people that have experienced Apartheid.

Again. There has been no apartheid. Is English difficult for you?

On the contrary Israel is an Apartheid State as confirmed by South Africans who lived under apartheid. I think they are better judges of Apartheid than any of you Zionists.

So when other South Africans say that Israel is not an apartheid state who is right

 

[jillian]

Nothing at all wrong about persons having suffered under Apartheid recognizing that Israel is an Apartheid state. All your attempt at denying an inconvenient truth won't change the assessment of people that have experienced Apartheid.

Again. There has been no apartheid. Is English difficult for you?

On the contrary Israel is an Apartheid State as confirmed by South Africans who lived under apartheid. I think they are better judges of Apartheid than any of you Zionists.

So when other South Africans say that Israel is not an apartheid state who is right

words have meanings. but those meanings don't always suit propagandists like the terrorist supporter.

 

[Hollie]

Nothing at all wrong about persons having suffered under Apartheid recognizing that Israel is an Apartheid state. All your attempt at denying an inconvenient truth won't change the assessment of people that have experienced Apartheid.

The inconvenient truth is that you have made no case that Israel is an apartheid state. Your attempts at denying your own incompetence at understanding terms and definitions is no ones fault but your own.

We certainly can, however, make a case for Islamism being fascist

.Christians in the Palestinian Territories | Jewish Virtual Library

The Christian community in the areas administered by the Palestinian Authority (PA) is a small but symbolically important one. About 35,000 Christians live in the West Bank and 3,000 in Gaza,1 representing about 1.3 percent of Palestinians. In addition, 12,500 Christians reside in eastern Jerusalem.

This population is rapidly dwindling, however, and not solely as a result of the difficult military and economic situation. Rather, there are numerous indications that the Christian population is beleaguered due to its Christianity. Taken in context of the condition of Christians in other Middle Eastern countries, this picture is especially credible and troubling.

A Second-Class People
Under Islam, Christians are considered dhimmi, a tolerated but second class who are afforded protection by Islam. Dhimmitude is integral to Islam; it is a "protection pact" that suspends "the [Muslim] conqueror's initial right to kill or enslave [Jews and Christians], provided they submitted themselves to pay tribute."

You give me too much credit. I simply quoted South Africans, including South African Jews, that lived under Apartheid.

"Africa is a Country has published its first ebook, “Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy.” The ebook was edited by Jon Soske and Sean Jacobs. The contributors to the ebook areAchille Mbembe,Salim Vally, Andy Clarno, Arianna Lissoni, T.J. Tallie, Bill Freund, Marissa Moorman, Shireen Hassim, Robin D.G. Kelley, Heidi Grunebaum, and Melissa Levin. You can read the ebook here. Design and layout by Sam Clemence) This is the introduction:

We invited eleven scholars of Africa and its diaspora to reflect on the analogy between apartheid South Africa and contemporary Israel. The American Studies Association’s decision in February 2014 to endorse the academic boycott of Israel, followed by the state violence directed against the inhabitants of Gaza this past July, has intensified the debate over Israel/Palestine in universities across North America. The international, nonviolent campaign for boycott, divestment, and sanctions against Israel is gaining momentum by the day.

Most of the contributions to this forum underline the obvious similarities between apartheid South Africa and Israeli policies toward the Palestinians. As Robin D.G. Kelley writes: “That Israel and its colonial occupation meet the UN’s definition of an apartheid state is beyond dispute.” Both apartheid South Africa and the Israeli state originated through a process of conquest and settlement largely justified on the grounds of religion and ethnic nationalism. Both pursued a legalized, large-scale program of displacing the earlier inhabitants from their land. Both instituted a variety of discriminatory laws based on racial or ethnic grounds. Outside of a tiny group of pro-Zionist organizations, the analogy is so widely accepted in South Africa that it draws little controversy. Indeed, leading members of the anti-apartheid struggle, including Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Jewish struggle veterans like Ronnie Kasrils, have repeatedly stated that the conditions in the West Bank and Gaza are “worse than apartheid.”

Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy

Well honestly, the only thing I can give you credit for is sidestepping and obfuscation. It's comically tragic that your only defense for islamist fascism is some long cut and paste that you dont understand is just so much more of your usual spam.

There is a term that describes one group of people who set themselves apart from others via a belief that they are superior. The term is fascism. To explicitly identify a group of people as inferior and worthy of revulsion, ie: (non-muhammedans), while holding yourself as superior and deserving of greater rights for no other reason than a particular politico-religious ideology is fascism, pure and simple, unadulterated. Study the events that occurred in Germany during the 1930's if you need an instructive lesson in fascism. Or, study Islamic history for comparable lessons.

 

[montelatici]

Nothing at all wrong about persons having suffered under Apartheid recognizing that Israel is an Apartheid state. All your attempt at denying an inconvenient truth won't change the assessment of people that have experienced Apartheid.

The inconvenient truth is that you have made no case that Israel is an apartheid state. Your attempts at denying your own incompetence at understanding terms and definitions is no ones fault but your own.

We certainly can, however, make a case for Islamism being fascist

.Christians in the Palestinian Territories | Jewish Virtual Library

The Christian community in the areas administered by the Palestinian Authority (PA) is a small but symbolically important one. About 35,000 Christians live in the West Bank and 3,000 in Gaza,1 representing about 1.3 percent of Palestinians. In addition, 12,500 Christians reside in eastern Jerusalem.

This population is rapidly dwindling, however, and not solely as a result of the difficult military and economic situation. Rather, there are numerous indications that the Christian population is beleaguered due to its Christianity. Taken in context of the condition of Christians in other Middle Eastern countries, this picture is especially credible and troubling.

A Second-Class People
Under Islam, Christians are considered dhimmi, a tolerated but second class who are afforded protection by Islam. Dhimmitude is integral to Islam; it is a "protection pact" that suspends "the [Muslim] conqueror's initial right to kill or enslave [Jews and Christians], provided they submitted themselves to pay tribute."

You give me too much credit. I simply quoted South Africans, including South African Jews, that lived under Apartheid.

"Africa is a Country has published its first ebook, “Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy.” The ebook was edited by Jon Soske and Sean Jacobs. The contributors to the ebook areAchille Mbembe,Salim Vally, Andy Clarno, Arianna Lissoni, T.J. Tallie, Bill Freund, Marissa Moorman, Shireen Hassim, Robin D.G. Kelley, Heidi Grunebaum, and Melissa Levin. You can read the ebook here. Design and layout by Sam Clemence) This is the introduction:

We invited eleven scholars of Africa and its diaspora to reflect on the analogy between apartheid South Africa and contemporary Israel. The American Studies Association’s decision in February 2014 to endorse the academic boycott of Israel, followed by the state violence directed against the inhabitants of Gaza this past July, has intensified the debate over Israel/Palestine in universities across North America. The international, nonviolent campaign for boycott, divestment, and sanctions against Israel is gaining momentum by the day.

Most of the contributions to this forum underline the obvious similarities between apartheid South Africa and Israeli policies toward the Palestinians. As Robin D.G. Kelley writes: “That Israel and its colonial occupation meet the UN’s definition of an apartheid state is beyond dispute.” Both apartheid South Africa and the Israeli state originated through a process of conquest and settlement largely justified on the grounds of religion and ethnic nationalism. Both pursued a legalized, large-scale program of displacing the earlier inhabitants from their land. Both instituted a variety of discriminatory laws based on racial or ethnic grounds. Outside of a tiny group of pro-Zionist organizations, the analogy is so widely accepted in South Africa that it draws little controversy. Indeed, leading members of the anti-apartheid struggle, including Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Jewish struggle veterans like Ronnie Kasrils, have repeatedly stated that the conditions in the West Bank and Gaza are “worse than apartheid.”

Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy

Well honestly, the only thing I can give you credit for is sidestepping and obfuscation. It's comically tragic that your only defense for islamist fascism is some long cut and paste that you dont understand is just so much more of your usual spam.

There is a term that describes one group of people who set themselves apart from others via a belief that they are superior. The term is fascism. To explicitly identify a group of people as inferior and worthy of revulsion, ie: (non-muhammedans), while holding yourself as superior and deserving of greater rights for no other reason than a particular politico-religious ideology is fascism, pure and simple, unadulterated. Study the events that occurred in Germany during the 1930's if you need an instructive lesson in fascism. Or, study Islamic history for comparable lessons.

You've described the Zionists. Thanks.

 

[Hollie]

Nothing at all wrong about persons having suffered under Apartheid recognizing that Israel is an Apartheid state. All your attempt at denying an inconvenient truth won't change the assessment of people that have experienced Apartheid.

The inconvenient truth is that you have made no case that Israel is an apartheid state. Your attempts at denying your own incompetence at understanding terms and definitions is no ones fault but your own.

We certainly can, however, make a case for Islamism being fascist

.Christians in the Palestinian Territories | Jewish Virtual Library

The Christian community in the areas administered by the Palestinian Authority (PA) is a small but symbolically important one. About 35,000 Christians live in the West Bank and 3,000 in Gaza,1 representing about 1.3 percent of Palestinians. In addition, 12,500 Christians reside in eastern Jerusalem.

This population is rapidly dwindling, however, and not solely as a result of the difficult military and economic situation. Rather, there are numerous indications that the Christian population is beleaguered due to its Christianity. Taken in context of the condition of Christians in other Middle Eastern countries, this picture is especially credible and troubling.

A Second-Class People
Under Islam, Christians are considered dhimmi, a tolerated but second class who are afforded protection by Islam. Dhimmitude is integral to Islam; it is a "protection pact" that suspends "the [Muslim] conqueror's initial right to kill or enslave [Jews and Christians], provided they submitted themselves to pay tribute."

You give me too much credit. I simply quoted South Africans, including South African Jews, that lived under Apartheid.

"Africa is a Country has published its first ebook, “Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy.” The ebook was edited by Jon Soske and Sean Jacobs. The contributors to the ebook areAchille Mbembe,Salim Vally, Andy Clarno, Arianna Lissoni, T.J. Tallie, Bill Freund, Marissa Moorman, Shireen Hassim, Robin D.G. Kelley, Heidi Grunebaum, and Melissa Levin. You can read the ebook here. Design and layout by Sam Clemence) This is the introduction:

We invited eleven scholars of Africa and its diaspora to reflect on the analogy between apartheid South Africa and contemporary Israel. The American Studies Association’s decision in February 2014 to endorse the academic boycott of Israel, followed by the state violence directed against the inhabitants of Gaza this past July, has intensified the debate over Israel/Palestine in universities across North America. The international, nonviolent campaign for boycott, divestment, and sanctions against Israel is gaining momentum by the day.

Most of the contributions to this forum underline the obvious similarities between apartheid South Africa and Israeli policies toward the Palestinians. As Robin D.G. Kelley writes: “That Israel and its colonial occupation meet the UN’s definition of an apartheid state is beyond dispute.” Both apartheid South Africa and the Israeli state originated through a process of conquest and settlement largely justified on the grounds of religion and ethnic nationalism. Both pursued a legalized, large-scale program of displacing the earlier inhabitants from their land. Both instituted a variety of discriminatory laws based on racial or ethnic grounds. Outside of a tiny group of pro-Zionist organizations, the analogy is so widely accepted in South Africa that it draws little controversy. Indeed, leading members of the anti-apartheid struggle, including Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Jewish struggle veterans like Ronnie Kasrils, have repeatedly stated that the conditions in the West Bank and Gaza are “worse than apartheid.”

Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy

Well honestly, the only thing I can give you credit for is sidestepping and obfuscation. It's comically tragic that your only defense for islamist fascism is some long cut and paste that you dont understand is just so much more of your usual spam.

There is a term that describes one group of people who set themselves apart from others via a belief that they are superior. The term is fascism. To explicitly identify a group of people as inferior and worthy of revulsion, ie: (non-muhammedans), while holding yourself as superior and deserving of greater rights for no other reason than a particular politico-religious ideology is fascism, pure and simple, unadulterated. Study the events that occurred in Germany during the 1930's if you need an instructive lesson in fascism. Or, study Islamic history for comparable lessons.

You've described the Zionists. Thanks.

Firstly, you've described only that you're pointless.


Secondly, to understand the social and political dynamics which cause the Muhammedan's in Gaza'istan such self-hate and angst, we can find parallels to Hitler's rise to power.


Following Germany's humiliation at the end of WWI, caused in part by Allied insistence that a percentage of the land area of the German empire be annexed to various countries, and its humiliating concessions to the Allies, Germany was on the verge of collapse. It's not difficult to envision an outspoken individual speaking to German ascension and glory garnering recognition. It was certainly easier to blame the "verming Juden" for Germany's problems than it is the overall failed political maneuvering of a lame duck Republic that is chastised by having lost a war of imperialism. Quite clearly, even someone of your dullness should be able to make connections with islamist fascism and German fascism. In the case of 1930's Germany, we're basically examining an eccentric use of power and greed under the veil of both Democracy and religion. A hapless nation had suffered 10 years of runaway inflation and political isolation. A charismatic leader told the people what they wanted to hear, ie: the glory of the Fatherland, Arian supremacy, etc., etc.

In the case of islamism, we're seeing the self-imposed humiliation of a culture and a society that was once a fearsome force of war, conquest and rapine but is now a global social and political pariah; a collection of misfit tribes constantly at war with itself.

 

[montelatici]

Firstly, native Palestinians are both Muslim, Christian and Jewish faiths. (While only 1% or 2% of the population there were Palestinian Arab Jews prior to the European Jewish invasion). Your attempt at making Palestine an Islam versus Judaism issue is a non-starter.

Taken down to basics Nazism had four basic tenants:

1. nationalism
2, anti-communism
3. traditionalism
4. ethnostatism (Aryan/German suoeriority and exclusiveness.)

If one removes anti-communism from the equation. Nazism is perfectly in line with Zionism.

More interestingly, and as people are increasingly coming to understand, Hitler’s primary animus was not against Jews as such, but Bolshevism, which indeed was largely Jewish endeavor.

By the way claiming dullness of those that have forgotten more than you will ever learn is hilarious. But carry on, you provide entertainment.

 

[Humanity]

Nothing at all wrong about persons having suffered under Apartheid recognizing that Israel is an Apartheid state. All your attempt at denying an inconvenient truth won't change the assessment of people that have experienced Apartheid.

The inconvenient truth is that you have made no case that Israel is an apartheid state. Your attempts at denying your own incompetence at understanding terms and definitions is no ones fault but your own.

We certainly can, however, make a case for Islamism being fascist

.Christians in the Palestinian Territories | Jewish Virtual Library

The Christian community in the areas administered by the Palestinian Authority (PA) is a small but symbolically important one. About 35,000 Christians live in the West Bank and 3,000 in Gaza,1 representing about 1.3 percent of Palestinians. In addition, 12,500 Christians reside in eastern Jerusalem.

This population is rapidly dwindling, however, and not solely as a result of the difficult military and economic situation. Rather, there are numerous indications that the Christian population is beleaguered due to its Christianity. Taken in context of the condition of Christians in other Middle Eastern countries, this picture is especially credible and troubling.

A Second-Class People
Under Islam, Christians are considered dhimmi, a tolerated but second class who are afforded protection by Islam. Dhimmitude is integral to Islam; it is a "protection pact" that suspends "the [Muslim] conqueror's initial right to kill or enslave [Jews and Christians], provided they submitted themselves to pay tribute."

You give me too much credit. I simply quoted South Africans, including South African Jews, that lived under Apartheid.

"Africa is a Country has published its first ebook, “Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy.” The ebook was edited by Jon Soske and Sean Jacobs. The contributors to the ebook areAchille Mbembe,Salim Vally, Andy Clarno, Arianna Lissoni, T.J. Tallie, Bill Freund, Marissa Moorman, Shireen Hassim, Robin D.G. Kelley, Heidi Grunebaum, and Melissa Levin. You can read the ebook here. Design and layout by Sam Clemence) This is the introduction:

We invited eleven scholars of Africa and its diaspora to reflect on the analogy between apartheid South Africa and contemporary Israel. The American Studies Association’s decision in February 2014 to endorse the academic boycott of Israel, followed by the state violence directed against the inhabitants of Gaza this past July, has intensified the debate over Israel/Palestine in universities across North America. The international, nonviolent campaign for boycott, divestment, and sanctions against Israel is gaining momentum by the day.

Most of the contributions to this forum underline the obvious similarities between apartheid South Africa and Israeli policies toward the Palestinians. As Robin D.G. Kelley writes: “That Israel and its colonial occupation meet the UN’s definition of an apartheid state is beyond dispute.” Both apartheid South Africa and the Israeli state originated through a process of conquest and settlement largely justified on the grounds of religion and ethnic nationalism. Both pursued a legalized, large-scale program of displacing the earlier inhabitants from their land. Both instituted a variety of discriminatory laws based on racial or ethnic grounds. Outside of a tiny group of pro-Zionist organizations, the analogy is so widely accepted in South Africa that it draws little controversy. Indeed, leading members of the anti-apartheid struggle, including Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Jewish struggle veterans like Ronnie Kasrils, have repeatedly stated that the conditions in the West Bank and Gaza are “worse than apartheid.”

Apartheid Israel: The Politics of an Analogy

Well honestly, the only thing I can give you credit for is sidestepping and obfuscation. It's comically tragic that your only defense for islamist fascism is some long cut and paste that you dont understand is just so much more of your usual spam.

There is a term that describes one group of people who set themselves apart from others via a belief that they are superior. The term is fascism. To explicitly identify a group of people as inferior and worthy of revulsion, ie: (non-muhammedans), while holding yourself as superior and deserving of greater rights for no other reason than a particular politico-religious ideology is fascism, pure and simple, unadulterated. Study the events that occurred in Germany during the 1930's if you need an instructive lesson in fascism. Or, study Islamic history for comparable lessons.

You've described the Zionists. Thanks.

Firstly, you've described only that you're pointless.


Secondly, to understand the social and political dynamics which cause the Muhammedan's in Gaza'istan such self-hate and angst, we can find parallels to Hitler's rise to power.


Following Germany's humiliation at the end of WWI, caused in part by Allied insistence that a percentage of the land area of the German empire be annexed to various countries, and its humiliating concessions to the Allies, Germany was on the verge of collapse. It's not difficult to envision an outspoken individual speaking to German ascension and glory garnering recognition. It was certainly easier to blame the "verming Juden" for Germany's problems than it is the overall failed political maneuvering of a lame duck Republic that is chastised by having lost a war of imperialism. Quite clearly, even someone of your dullness should be able to make connections with islamist fascism and German fascism. In the case of 1930's Germany, we're basically examining an eccentric use of power and greed under the veil of both Democracy and religion. A hapless nation had suffered 10 years of runaway inflation and political isolation. A charismatic leader told the people what they wanted to hear, ie: the glory of the Fatherland, Arian supremacy, etc., etc.

In the case of islamism, we're seeing the self-imposed humiliation of a culture and a society that was once a fearsome force of war, conquest and rapine but is now a global social and political pariah; a collection of misfit tribes constantly at war with itself.

A copy and paste post full of inaccuracies and fear!

"we're basically examining an eccentric use of power and greed under the veil of both Democracy and religion."

Are we? Based upon what facts?

"should be able to make connections with islamist fascism and German fascism"

Nope... Enlighten us all!

"etc., etc."

What would they be?

 

[Hollie]

Firstly, native Palestinians are both Muslim, Christian and Jewish faiths. (While only 1% or 2% of the population there were Palestinian Arab Jews prior to the European Jewish invasion). Your attempt at making Palestine an Islam versus Judaism issue is a non-starter.

Taken down to basics Nazism had four basic tenants:

1. nationalism
2, anti-communism
3. traditionalism
4. ethnostatism (Aryan/German suoeriority and exclusiveness.)

If one removes anti-communism from the equation. Nazism is perfectly in line with Zionism.

More interestingly, and as people are increasingly coming to understand, Hitler’s primary animus was not against Jews as such, but Bolshevism, which indeed was largely Jewish endeavor.

By the way claiming dullness of those that have forgotten more than you will ever learn is hilarious. But carry on, you provide entertainment.

Firstly, "Pal'istanian" as a national identity was a late 1960's invention of Yassir Arafat. You might want to understand the terms you are using to avoid confounding your attempt at argument. Secondly, as I described it, Nazi ideology is closely parallel to islamo-supremacy because both use fascism and appeals to religious fundamentalism as elements to further their respective doctrines. Interestingly, your Joooooo fascination causes you some rather strange interpretations of history but that's not uncommon for Muhammedans. While you're hoping to unlink the common themes that historically connect Nazi fascism and islamo-supremacist ideals, you ignore the root cause of islamo-fascism.

 

[montelatici]

You are just parroting Zionist propaganda that we have seen parroted for quite a long time. You are a propagandist, you are transparent, not uncommon among ZioNazis.The Palestinian people described themselves as such before the European Jews described themselves as Israelis. The Palestinians called themselves Palestinians in 1922 when the European Jews described themselves as Zionists. You are a fraud.


Correspondence With the Palestine Arab Delegation and the Zionist Organisation, 1922
Command 1700
(From: http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a...48a7e5584ee1403485256cd8006c3fbe!OpenDocument)
United Kingdom
1 July 1922
PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.
Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:
PUBLISHED BY HIS MAJESTY'S STATIONERY OFFICE.
To be purchased directly from H.M. STATIONERY OFFICE, at the following address:
Adastra House, Kingsway, London, W.C. 2; 120, George Street, Edinburgh:
York Street, Manchester; 1, St. Andre's Crescent, Cardiff;
15, Donegall Square West, Belfast; or through any Bookseller
1922.
[Reprinted 1929]
Price 1s. 0d. net.
[Cmd. 1700.]
PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.
HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine.

We would, therefore, submit the following observations:—

Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable.


CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION. 1922

 

[Hollie]

You are just parroting Zionist propaganda that we have seen parroted for quite a long time. You are a propagandist, you are transparent, not uncommon among ZioNazis.The Palestinian people described themselves as such before the European Jews described themselves as Israelis. The Palestinians called themselves Palestinians in 1922 when the European Jews described themselves as Zionists. You are a fraud.


Correspondence With the Palestine Arab Delegation and the Zionist Organisation, 1922
Command 1700
(From: http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a...48a7e5584ee1403485256cd8006c3fbe!OpenDocument)
United Kingdom
1 July 1922
PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.
Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:
PUBLISHED BY HIS MAJESTY'S STATIONERY OFFICE.
To be purchased directly from H.M. STATIONERY OFFICE, at the following address:
Adastra House, Kingsway, London, W.C. 2; 120, George Street, Edinburgh:
York Street, Manchester; 1, St. Andre's Crescent, Cardiff;
15, Donegall Square West, Belfast; or through any Bookseller
1922.
[Reprinted 1929]
Price 1s. 0d. net.
[Cmd. 1700.]
PALESTINE.
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB
DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION.No. 1.
The Palestine Arab Delegation to the Secretary of State for the Colonies.
HOTEL CECIL,
London, W.C.,
February 21st, 1922.

Sir,
We wish to express our thanks to the Right Honourable the Secretary of State for the Colonies, for his courtesy in allowing us to see the draft of a proposed Palestine Order in Council embodying a scheme of Government for Palestine, and to discuss the same in our capacity of representatives of the Arab People of Palestine.

We would, therefore, submit the following observations:—

Whilst the position in Palestine is, as it stands to-day, with the British Government holding authority by an occupying force, and using that authority to impose upon the people against their wishes a great immigration of alien Jews, many of them of a Bolshevik revolutionary type, no constitution which would fall short of giving the People of Palestine full control of their own affairs could be acceptable.


CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION AND THE ZIONIST ORGANISATION. 1922

Ah yes. Leave it the goofy spammer for a lengthy cut and paste.

What a fraud.

So then, I'm sure you can identify for us the various elements that defined your invented (rather the invention of Pal'istanians that was the invention of Arafat in the late 1960's). Tell us about the international borders, the governing body, the unique culture and other attributes attached to a national entity.

The fact, there were none. The Palestinian territory was nothing more than an area typically referred to as Southern Syria.

You need to scour the web for more cut and paste material.

 

[montelatici]

Just proves that there were Christian and Muslims Palestinians before there were Jew Israelis. Archival documentation trumps your bullshit.