When will it be too late?

[Big Black Dog]

When will it be too late to do anything about global warming?

Have we already guaranteed our doom?

I truly hope you don't believe this shit...

 

[Big Fitz]

When will it be too late to do anything about global warming?

Have we already guaranteed our doom?

Never, because we never controlled the climate before, and never will. It will do what it wants despite our best and wasted efforts.

 

[westwall]

When will it be too late to do anything about global warming?

Have we already guaranteed our doom?

Never, because we never controlled the climate before, and never will. It will do what it wants despite our best and wasted efforts.

Actually, we can make it get cold (which would be an absolute disaster) but making it warmer? Far beyond our abilities. The amount of energy required to raise temperature is phenomenal. To do so on a global scale is so mind bogglingly difficult that I have no problem believing uneducated people will accept the sermons of the high priests.

They did the same in the Dark Ages too when they burned witches. It's the same mentality and the same people leading the sheep.

 

[Big Fitz]

When will it be too late to do anything about global warming?

Have we already guaranteed our doom?

Never, because we never controlled the climate before, and never will. It will do what it wants despite our best and wasted efforts.

Actually, we can make it get cold (which would be an absolute disaster) but making it warmer? Far beyond our abilities. The amount of energy required to raise temperature is phenomenal. To do so on a global scale is so mind bogglingly difficult that I have no problem believing uneducated people will accept the sermons of the high priests.

They did the same in the Dark Ages too when they burned witches. It's the same mentality and the same people leading the sheep.

when you talk about cooling the world, you're talking about particulate blockig of sunshine, right?

 

[westwall]

Never, because we never controlled the climate before, and never will. It will do what it wants despite our best and wasted efforts.

Actually, we can make it get cold (which would be an absolute disaster) but making it warmer? Far beyond our abilities. The amount of energy required to raise temperature is phenomenal. To do so on a global scale is so mind bogglingly difficult that I have no problem believing uneducated people will accept the sermons of the high priests.

They did the same in the Dark Ages too when they burned witches. It's the same mentality and the same people leading the sheep.

when you talk about cooling the world, you're talking about particulate blockig of sunshine, right?

Correct.

 

[Skull Pilot]

But a significant percentage of the human population will.

And how many is that and show me your proof that people just won't move to another area.

BTW if they don't move, whose fault is that?

Damned peanuts in the US last year, damned wheat in Australia last year, and damned grains in Russia in 2010 should have all walked to somewhere they could have grown properly.

Really dumb statements, Skull.

So if the earth warms areas that are too cold to grow crops will not become more fertile?

The entire earth will become a scorched wasteland huh?

OK Chicken Little.

 

[skookerasbil]

When will it be too late to do anything about global warming?

Have we already guaranteed our doom?

So you are a warmist too ehh? Sorry to hear.

The facts....

from about 1980 to 1998 we had a 1/3 of a degree warming period. This started the Man made global warming claim.

Another inconvenient fact for the man made global warming crowd. Since 1998 until today there has been no significant warming.

A further fact. In the early 1900's scientists predicted that over the next 100 years the temperature would go up globally about 1 degree. And that is what it did.

So we had an 18 year trend that saw a rise of 1/3 of a degree world wide. Followed to date by a 14 year period with no appreciable warming. Remind me again how we are all doomed?

Climate myths: Global warming stopped in 1998 - environment - 15 August 2008 - New Scientist

According to the dataset of the UK Met Office Hadley Centre (see figure), 1998 was the warmest year by far since records began, but since 2003 there has been slight cooling.

But according to the dataset of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (see figure), 2005 was the warmest since records began, with 1998 and 2007 tied in second place.

Tracking the heat
Why the difference? The main reason is that there are no permanent weather stations in the Arctic Ocean, the place on Earth that has been warming fastest. The Hadley record simply excludes this area, whereas the NASA version assumes its surface temperature is the same as that of the nearest land-based stations.

Where the monitoring station positions are cuts both ways..........there are significant temperature differences just 40-50 miles either way. The k00ks never want people to know about that. Anybody who cant recognize that temperature station data readings are the definitive example of cherry picking = hopelessly duped.

 

[westwall]

I just realised I never actually answered the OP. Amelia, it will be too late when the asteroid impacts somewhere on the planet and wipes out civilization. Too late because we COULD have done something about that.

On the other hand, other than cooling the planet (relatively easy to do) warming it up is far, far, far beyond our ability.

 

[Newby]

The point is, regardless of when it was, the ecosystem was completely different. What caused the 'global warming' then? If the Earth is warming, which it currently is not, there is nothing we have done to cause it, nor is there anything we can do to stop it. You think trading carbon credits and enriching a small subset of people in the process is going to 'save' the planet? Give me a break. And I'm thought a fool for believing in God.

What caused warming in the past is irrelevant and the blanket statement that we can't be causing it is false. We know the properties of CO2 and know that it's about 100 ppm above historical averages, since the advent of the Industrial Revolution with no other explanation for its rise. Given those facts, who's kidding who? It's time for the skeptics to prove something, not just sit back and deny or ignore facts that pile up on a daily basis. You're quick to jump on the factoid that "the earth isn't warming up right now", but even saying that shows the shallowness of the skeptic argument. Any other time we'd be hearing about "natural cycles", but when given evidence of just such a cycle blunting a warming trend, we hear crickets chirp! Top that off with "carbon credits" and that just shows that the argument from the skeptic side is political in nature and they've given up on the science, preferring mere lip service about what happened in the past and natural cycles, but nothing about what's been happening for the last ~200 years! You can't take the past as a template for the future, if underlying conditions have changed. That's basic science AND logic.

Okay, you're a lost cause.

 

[Old Rocks]

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So, we have another dumb fuck that gets his science from Time and other news magazines. Ever hear of peer reviewed scientific journals?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Where the monitoring station positions are cuts both ways..........there are significant temperature differences just 40-50 miles either way. The k00ks never want people to know about that. Anybody who cant recognize that temperature station data readings are the definitive example of cherry picking = hopelessly duped.

Not to mention placing them in urban heat sinks. Gathering temperature data from an airport tarmac yields a vastly different result than from a park or a forest. In Corona CA, they moved the recording device from the airport to the city hall - less than a half mile away, and average temperatures dropped 7° - a huge amount. Former Mayor, Jeff Miller was elected to congress, and was able to effect the change.

Anthony Watts did an in-depth study on this particular bit of fraud. It is startling.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/surfacestationsreport_spring09.pdf

 

[Uncensored2008]

So, we have another dumb fuck that gets his science from Time and other news magazines. Ever hear of peer reviewed scientific journals?

Ever hear of critical thought, fluffy?

 

[Old Rocks]

Probably some time after it actually exists.

Yap-yap. Anything scientific to support you point of view?

That's where your side keeps running into trouble.

Yes, that is a real problem for us. All we have on our side is every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University in the world. And you have an obese junkie on the radio, and undegreed ex-TV weathermen.

AGW Observer

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

 

[Old Rocks]

So, we have another dumb fuck that gets his science from Time and other news magazines. Ever hear of peer reviewed scientific journals?

Ever hear of critical thought, fluffy?

Ever heard of backing up your senseless yap-yap?

 

[Old Rocks]

Where the monitoring station positions are cuts both ways..........there are significant temperature differences just 40-50 miles either way. The k00ks never want people to know about that. Anybody who cant recognize that temperature station data readings are the definitive example of cherry picking = hopelessly duped.

Not to mention placing them in urban heat sinks. Gathering temperature data from an airport tarmac yields a vastly different result than from a park or a forest. In Corona CA, they moved the recording device from the airport to the city hall - less than a half mile away, and average temperatures dropped 7° - a huge amount. Former Mayor, Jeff Miller was elected to congress, and was able to effect the change.

Anthony Watts did an in-depth study on this particular bit of fraud. It is startling.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/surfacestationsreport_spring09.pdf

Yep, and Watt got his ass kicked on that score in the BEST report. You dumb fucks just keep repeating the same old lies by the same old liars. How about some information from a real scientist reported in a real scientific journal.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Ever heard of backing up your senseless yap-yap?

I quit debating doctrine with cultist a decade ago. Now I mock you, as the fools and charlatans you are.

Debating you is no different that debating Tom Cruise on Scientology, save that you are more fanatical and less reasoned. AGW is voodoo, not science.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yep, and Watt got his ass kicked on that score in the BEST report. You dumb fucks just keep repeating the same old lies by the same old liars. How about some information from a real scientist reported in a real scientific journal.

LOL

What a fool you are. This is why I don't debate cultists.

Watt was never refuted, nor could he be. His was simply a collection of locations used in temperature recordings, that revealed massive fraud. SINCE you follow a cult and have no interest in science, you attack that which challenges your faith.

Science is about discovery and falsification, voodoo is about protecting dogma.

 

[Unkotare]

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So, we have another dumb fuck that gets his science from Time and other news magazines. Ever hear of peer reviewed scientific journals?

Yeah, they heard of those back in the 70s when the almighty 'Scientific Community' was sure we were headed for another ice age by now. And of course these days 'peer reviewed' means 'filtered to purge any views that dissent from the story we are making so much money off.'

 

[Uncensored2008]

What happens when AGW researchers like James Hansen get caught with their grubby paws in the cookie jar? Well, in real life, nothing - just like other crooked religious leaders.

But what SHOULD happen?

 

[Unkotare]

Yap-yap. Anything scientific to support you point of view?

That's where your side keeps running into trouble.

Yes, that is a real problem for us. All we have on our side is every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University in the world.

You have everyone making $$$ off a set of pre-determined conclusions? Yeah, we saw the emails. Clever financial thinking, not such great 'science.'