When is a hurricane not a hurricane?

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    When is a hurricane not a hurricane? Apparently the answer to that questionis when the warmist alarmists need something to wring their hands over and feel the need to scare as much of the population as possible back into AGW lockstep.

    Cape Lookout, NC was Irene's southernmost point of landfall in the US and the eye of the storm passed directly over the weather station there. In addition, there were two other stations in the area; one in Beaufort and the onslow bouy offshore and to the south of Cape Lookout; and the Hatteras station further to the north.

    Here is what the station read as the eye of the storm made landfall at Cape Lookout. The purple line shows the barometric pressure falling, the blue line shows the sustained wind speed, and the green bar across the top shows the minimum sustained wind speed necessary in order for a storm to be classified as a hurricane.

    Note the classic signature as the eye passes directly over the measuring station. Barometric pressure dropping steeply and wind speed falling off sharply as the eye passes.

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    As you can see, the sustained winds of Irene, while clearly a strong tropical storm, never approached hurricane force even at landfall, much less afterwards. Here is what she looked like upon reaching New York; barely a tropical storm.

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    Here is a link to just a small example of the fraud perpetrated by the alarmists who people are supposed to "trust" to tell them what is going on in an emergency:

    Broadcast journo exaggerates flood - YouTube
     
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    Yeah. It was nothing. Looks like more ugliness in the Gulf. Hope some comes my way.
     
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    Tropical cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The presence of an eye indicates it probably was a hurricane.
     
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    Don't you have a Costa Rican 12 year old to molest ? That is you right ? The child molester who fled the US because he got caught selling popsicles with ruphie's in them to the little girls ? Or was the boy you were into ?
     
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    Either you don't understand your definition, or you are unable to read a simple graph or both. By your own definition, in order to be classified as a hurricane, the storm must have SUSTAINED WINDS of at least 74 miles per hour. The measuring station on Cape Lookout where the storm first made landfall registered sustained winds of less than 60 miles per hour. The winds were clearly not hurricane force and all of those alarmists reporting on the storm knew it and called it a hurricane even though it wasn't.

    Why might they do that?
     
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    When the winds go below the minimum speed, of course.

    FYI, here's a link leading to images of the aftermath in Vermont of what became tropical storm Irene.

    Hurrican Ireme damaged Vermont - Google Search

    As you can see, exactly as I'd predicted before the storm even hit the NC coast, up North, where you can pretty much expect that the windstorm will have lost its power, it's the RAIN, not the wind, that does the most damage.

    Mountainous Vermont and upstate NY got about 12'' of rain in 24 hours.

    That rain falls on the broad mountains and gathering momentum and concentrating as it makes it way down the creeks and streams and rivers, it becomes life threatening as it tears through or domolishes anything that gets in its way.

    I've seen this happen personally when Diane dumped between 14 and 19 inches of rain on most of the E coast in 55.

    That hurricane that had also became nothing more than a tropical storm and it still killed over 1,500 souls in August 1955.

    Diane ravaged the Carolinas through New England killing people all along its path with RAIN, not wind.
     
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    The question remains. Why would alarmists call, and continue to call a tropical storm a hurricane?
     
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    What causes the most damage in a Hurricane? It depends on they the hurricane and the locale. A tropical storm can be very deadly as can be attested by those people in Central America where mud slides are common from water deluged mountain sides. But the major damage from Hurricane Andrew was the 170 mph winds. The storm surge was high but landfall was in an area not susceptible to storm surges. And Storm surges are usually what causes the most destruction like in Katrina along the Gulf coast.

    Was this a Hurricane. Yes it was. When did it become a Tropical Storm? Because the station you have included the statistics from was hit by the eye it would seem logical that the highest sustained windspeed would have occurred there. That may not be the case because the eastern portion of the storm was still over the water where sustained windspeed has less friction and it is probable that hurricane force winds were still present in that portion of the storm. Any hurricane as it moves over cooler water loses its power and this storm is no exception. As the world continues to heat up and the ocean absorbs that heat (if the warm up continues) the east coast can start to expect more hurricanes keeping hurricane strength winds as they race up the coast line.
     
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    Was this a Hurricane. Yes it was.[/quote]

    Not when it made landfall and where you get the idea that the strongest winds in a hurricane are not along the eyewall, I can't say but perhaps you should read up a bit on the storms.

    May not be the case? Possible that hurricane force winds were present? I find nothing indicating any of the offshore bouys measured hurricane force winds either. The fact is that the strongest winds are found at the eyewall and the winds in the eyewall of irene when it made landfall were considerably less than required to catergorize it as a hurricane.

    So the question remains, why would alarmists call the storm, and continue to call the storm a hurricane when it made land fall when it is clear that it was not?

    Which begs the question.... why has it been nearly 1200 days since a hurricane has made landfall here if global warming is supposed to increase both the frequency and magnitude of the storms?
     

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