When freedom of speech crosses the line.

[alpine]

I don't care if you are a democrat or a republican or socialist or liberal, whatever the hell you are, you have to realize something, your country, your values, your world view are being challenged. Take a stand. Not by bullying democrats if you are a republican, not ignoring the facts if you are a democrat, this is for all of you, people of united states.

I know countries where liberals were so up in the air full of themselves, thinking islam is fine and can be controlled, they were wrong. I know countries where socialists thought they could even work with islam, they were wrong. I know countries where conservatives were so hard headed and politically seperated, they even helped islam to take over. Look at the history, not past, but recent. Look at them as what they are, not as what you wish they are. You will see, this is not a matter of politics, but humanity.

This is a threat and it should be dealt as one. Your politicians and media are lying to you, they are puppets of the oil companies. You are fooled because islam is sitting on the oil. They fed this monster up just because it was profitable.

They have created it and now they are not going to make it disappear for you. You have to act. You have to take a stand and tell to the world; this is how the world turns around, not the other way around. They have to suk it up because this is a free world.

They say you have to respect religion. NO, you don't have to respect anything other than the common values of humanity of this age. You dont have to respect people killing and torturing in the name of their religion.

Sometimes, it is ok to say "Fuck Off!", all together, as a nation of people with values that would make this planet a more enjoyable place for all...


= from an ex-muslim to fellow americans =

 

[ABikerSailor]

wth? how can you WASTE your Freedom of speech...You people start this in motion and you could end up REGRETING IT

When you use it as an agenda to incite violence and death. That a waste. This little punk ass bitch knew what his video would cause.

So because we are now afraid of a groups retaliation we are now not allow to exercise our freedoms?

Okay.........if you're not scared of a group's retaliation to your free speech, here's an idea for you.............................

Go to the local Hell's Angel's or Bandito's club house and stand in the parking lot shouting "bikers suck"!

If you are scared to do that, then you are limiting your own right of free speech because you are afraid of a groups retaliation.

 

[slackjawed]

When you use it as an agenda to incite violence and death. That a waste. This little punk ass bitch knew what his video would cause.

So because we are now afraid of a groups retaliation we are now not allow to exercise our freedoms?

Okay.........if you're not scared of a group's retaliation to your free speech, here's an idea for you.............................

Go to the local Hell's Angel's or Bandito's club house and stand in the parking lot shouting "bikers suck"!

If you are scared to do that, then you are limiting your own right of free speech because you are afraid of a groups retaliation.

lmao, I actually did that inside a ghost riders club, as a guest, but once i got their attention I announced the bar was free.....lmao

 

[ABikerSailor]

So because we are now afraid of a groups retaliation we are now not allow to exercise our freedoms?

Okay.........if you're not scared of a group's retaliation to your free speech, here's an idea for you.............................

Go to the local Hell's Angel's or Bandito's club house and stand in the parking lot shouting "bikers suck"!

If you are scared to do that, then you are limiting your own right of free speech because you are afraid of a groups retaliation.

lmao, I actually did that inside a ghost riders club, as a guest, but once i got their attention I announced the bar was free.....lmao

Had to pay for your "free speech" so that you could stay alive, eh?

 

[GuyPinestra]

The freaking left showed a Brit made movie in American theaters illustrating the way to assassinate president Bush while he was still in office and nobody rioted. The left has been at war with Christian free speech for decades. Nobody rioted when federal officers armed with sledge hammers smashed the Ten Commandments off a court house wall that had been there for 50 years. Nobody rioted when a single agnostic had the (ironically named) ACLU sue San Diego and force them to tear down a Korean War monument because he was personally offended by the symbol of Christianity, a 40 ft Cross. If you hate blinded lefties quit worrying about the feelings of the jihad we all might be better off.

Amazing what an educated, civilized and financially well off society can do, isn't it?

Hint: We aren't talking about America here. We are talking about a part of the world where most of the people have little more than their religion.

Funny that, considering what Lord Obama said about Americans clinging to their guns and religion...

 

[slackjawed]

Okay.........if you're not scared of a group's retaliation to your free speech, here's an idea for you.............................

Go to the local Hell's Angel's or Bandito's club house and stand in the parking lot shouting "bikers suck"!

If you are scared to do that, then you are limiting your own right of free speech because you are afraid of a groups retaliation.

lmao, I actually did that inside a ghost riders club, as a guest, but once i got their attention I announced the bar was free.....lmao

Had to pay for your "free speech" so that you could stay alive, eh?

kinda. But in reality the guys that invited me had it all arranged, so really it was kind of a practical joke by them and I just played a part. Got to hang with them for a few days though.

 

[Yurt]

WHEN FREEDOM OF SPEECH CROSSES THE LINE.

When freedom of speech incites violence against a race, religion or one’s sexual orientation and causes death of innocent people it crosses the line and is no longer a matter of principle and the person or persons that miss-used their First Amendment Rights should be held accountable. The person that made this video knew what it would incite and is responsible for the death of the Ambassadors. And he is scum at the bottom of the cesspool. Punk ass little bitch hiding behind the Constitution is not how the framers of the Constitution meant it to be used. The scum is probably sitting under his little rock enjoying his 15 minutes untouched fully aware of what he has accomplished. And the federal and state laws protects the LPAB.

I personal know how it feels to have someones freedom of speech lashed out on ones race and religion.

“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”― Maya Angelou

causes? how do you figure?

 

[Unkotare]

WHEN FREEDOM OF SPEECH CROSSES THE LINE.

When freedom of speech incites violence against a race, religion or one’s sexual orientation and causes death of innocent people it crosses the line and is no longer a matter of principle and the person or persons that miss-used their First Amendment Rights should be held accountable. The person that made this video knew what it would incite and is responsible for the death of the Ambassadors. And he is scum at the bottom of the cesspool. Punk ass little bitch hiding behind the Constitution is not how the framers of the Constitution meant it to be used. The scum is probably sitting under his little rock enjoying his 15 minutes untouched fully aware of what he has accomplished. And the federal and state laws protects the LPAB.

I personal know how it feels to have someones freedom of speech lashed out on ones race and religion.

“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”― Maya Angelou

These liberals are falling all over themselves to show their true colors. Funny how abject fear can do that...

 

[ABikerSailor]

lmao, I actually did that inside a ghost riders club, as a guest, but once i got their attention I announced the bar was free.....lmao

Had to pay for your "free speech" so that you could stay alive, eh?

kinda. But in reality the guys that invited me had it all arranged, so really it was kind of a practical joke by them and I just played a part. Got to hang with them for a few days though.

Had a similar experience in Waltersboro SC with a dude by the name of Bear. My friend Gary and I rode down there and were taken to the local clubhouse when this large SOB (at least 6 1/2 ft tall and built like a tank) walked up to me and told me to hit him. Me? I'm only 5 ft 7 and skinny as a rail, and I thought he was joking until he said if I didn't hit him, he was gonna kick the crap out of me. Well...........after a couple of minutes of considering the end of my life, I hit him as hard as I could in the stomach and backed him up about 2 ft.

He then patted me on the head, said I had a good punch and bought me a beer.

Yeah..............bikers are funny that way. My friend Gary had set me up.

 

[Papageorgio]

Interestingly enough, the person who made the video was an Egyptian Coptic Christian. And, he made the video under false pretenses, because the actors in it thought they were acting in a desert adventure film.

It wasn't until the video was translated into Arabic and put up on YouTube that it started to get attention, and even the actors who were IN the movie were offended by the video as well as pretty pissed that they'd been duped.

As far as free speech? I kinda look at it like walking around with a loaded weapon up in Montana (open carry laws up there, meaning you can wear a sidearm strapped to your waist in public with no permit as long as it can be seen). Now, you are allowed to carry your gun with you wherever you want with a couple of exceptions. Bars and government buildings for example. And, if you draw your weapon to fire at a target, you'd best be careful, because there are others out there who are armed as well.

How does that relate to free speech? Simple.................in this country, you are allowed to say whatever you want (open carry), whenever you want with a couple of exceptions. You can't shout "fire" in a crowded building (can't carry a weapon into bars or government buildings), and if you say something to someone that they don't like (shooting at them), they have the right to respond with their own version of free speech.

I spent 20 years in the military defending this country, as well as that right. If you want to burn a flag, or shout "goddamn the USA" (like Rev. Wright), you have that right to do so, but be aware that others out there are armed with free speech as well, and can fire back at you with their own opinions.

Why does the Arabic world think that the government of the US "sanctions" this video? Simple..............they don't have free speech and are only allowed to say what the government say they can (because they're in a dictatorship), and if the government allows you to say something, then they are "sanctioning" it by allowing it to be said.

Not sure I agree with you but it is a good point. What others in other nations, think is free speech, is not the equivalent of what free speech really is.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

I don't care if you are a democrat or a republican or socialist or liberal, whatever the hell you are, you have to realize something, your country, your values, your world view are being challenged. Take a stand. Not by bullying democrats if you are a republican, not ignoring the facts if you are a democrat, this is for all of you, people of united states.

I know countries where liberals were so up in the air full of themselves, thinking islam is fine and can be controlled, they were wrong. I know countries where socialists thought they could even work with islam, they were wrong. I know countries where conservatives were so hard headed and politically seperated, they even helped islam to take over. Look at the history, not past, but recent. Look at them as what they are, not as what you wish they are. You will see, this is not a matter of politics, but humanity.

This is a threat and it should be dealt as one. Your politicians and media are lying to you, they are puppets of the oil companies. You are fooled because islam is sitting on the oil. They fed this monster up just because it was profitable.

They have created it and now they are not going to make it disappear for you. You have to act. You have to take a stand and tell to the world; this is how the world turns around, not the other way around. They have to suk it up because this is a free world.

They say you have to respect religion. NO, you don't have to respect anything other than the common values of humanity of this age. You dont have to respect people killing and torturing in the name of their religion.

Sometimes, it is ok to say "Fuck Off!", all together, as a nation of people with values that would make this planet a more enjoyable place for all...


= from an ex-muslim to fellow americans =

Yah man I'm sure you know a lot about Islam....yet couldn't give the accurate description of the light women...

 

[CaféAuLait]

WHEN FREEDOM OF SPEECH CROSSES THE LINE.

When freedom of speech incites violence against a race, religion or one’s sexual orientation and causes death of innocent people it crosses the line and is no longer a matter of principle and the person or persons that miss-used their First Amendment Rights should be held accountable. The person that made this video knew what it would incite and is responsible for the death of the Ambassadors. And he is scum at the bottom of the cesspool. Punk ass little bitch hiding behind the Constitution is not how the framers of the Constitution meant it to be used. The scum is probably sitting under his little rock enjoying his 15 minutes untouched fully aware of what he has accomplished. And the federal and state laws protects the LPAB.

I personal know how it feels to have someones freedom of speech lashed out on ones race and religion.

“I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.”― Maya Angelou

Wondering if you called the person who made the “Piss Christ” a “Punk ass little bitch" AND if you were condemning our government for using taxpayer dollars to support such “art”. If that were the Koran or Muhammad in a cup of urine and then paid for by US tax dollars there would be rioting.

Piss Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It seems to me that there is only “offense” or “Punk ass little bitch’s” when Muslim's take offense at something. Every other religion be damned.

 

[alpine]

Islamic countries, even less islamic ones, they are not full of muslims that go out on to the streets and protest and kill and burn in every opportunity you know.

They have decent moderate people who don't approve all this violance. They hate islamists as much as you do.

It is a power struggle between these people and islamists.

Islamists have the upper hand now, and you know why?

Because some of you guys are to scared to have your voice heard.

Those people out there, sharing the same world view with you, thinking killing and burning is not the way, can not be successful. Because you are scared here. You don't support them, you allow violent islamists get away with their power display, you give them the upper hand. They prove themselves upon you cause you are scared. They grip those countries with that power and put them in the course of destruction, along with anything that they can take out of you.

So, when you are being a pussy, think twice. What you put into the people of this world will be what you get in return.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Was that really meant as an attack? Making a video with an intention of directly attacking Muslims is attacking people......if that movie was about Jesus spreading legs of girls....and was made by an extremist Muslim group from Saudis Arabia how angry would the Christians in America be? Just admit it

Christ in the artist's own urine isn't an attack? Okey dokey. Let's play nice. Let's then put a depiction of Mohammed in urine on display in art galleries world wide.

What do you think would happen? mmmmmmmmmmmmk?

I have this teeny tiny sneaking suspicion there would be a reaction from the Islamic world. If there were no deaths I do admire their passion to defend their faith. Muslims are unwaivering.



And by the way, no Muslim would ever depict Christ that way. Christ is a prophet in Islam.

Most Christian bashers in America don't realize that when they slag Christ, they insult Islam greatly.

Just FYI

Jesus’ Knowledge of the Unseen

There is one Messenger, however, whom the Quran says was given knowledge of the unseen. That Messenger is Jesus Christ!

As a messenger to the Children of Israel: "I come to you with a sign from your Lord - I create for you from clay the shape of a bird, then I blow into it, and it becomes a live bird by GOD’s leave. I restore vision to the blind, heal the leprous, and I revive the dead by GOD’s leave. I can tell you what you eat, and what you store in your homes. This should be a proof for you, if you are believers." S. 3:49 Khalifa

I agree with you but don't say it was Muslims who killed anyone...it was an alqaeda branch who everyone despises.....

Muhammad was given knowledge of the Unseen and he has seen the Unseen according to Islam

Al Qaeda branch?

Would you like a list of all the attacks and protests those Al Qaeda branches are busy perpetrating across the world?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Interestingly enough, the person who made the video was an Egyptian Coptic Christian. And, he made the video under false pretenses, because the actors in it thought they were acting in a desert adventure film.

It wasn't until the video was translated into Arabic and put up on YouTube that it started to get attention, and even the actors who were IN the movie were offended by the video as well as pretty pissed that they'd been duped.

As far as free speech? I kinda look at it like walking around with a loaded weapon up in Montana (open carry laws up there, meaning you can wear a sidearm strapped to your waist in public with no permit as long as it can be seen). Now, you are allowed to carry your gun with you wherever you want with a couple of exceptions. Bars and government buildings for example. And, if you draw your weapon to fire at a target, you'd best be careful, because there are others out there who are armed as well.

How does that relate to free speech? Simple.................in this country, you are allowed to say whatever you want (open carry), whenever you want with a couple of exceptions. You can't shout "fire" in a crowded building (can't carry a weapon into bars or government buildings), and if you say something to someone that they don't like (shooting at them), they have the right to respond with their own version of free speech.

I spent 20 years in the military defending this country, as well as that right. If you want to burn a flag, or shout "goddamn the USA" (like Rev. Wright), you have that right to do so, but be aware that others out there are armed with free speech as well, and can fire back at you with their own opinions.

Why does the Arabic world think that the government of the US "sanctions" this video? Simple..............they don't have free speech and are only allowed to say what the government say they can (because they're in a dictatorship), and if the government allows you to say something, then they are "sanctioning" it by allowing it to be said.

Interestingly enough, you have the facts wrong.

Again.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Christ in the artist's own urine isn't an attack? Okey dokey. Let's play nice. Let's then put a depiction of Mohammed in urine on display in art galleries world wide.

What do you think would happen? mmmmmmmmmmmmk?

I have this teeny tiny sneaking suspicion there would be a reaction from the Islamic world. If there were no deaths I do admire their passion to defend their faith. Muslims are unwaivering.



And by the way, no Muslim would ever depict Christ that way. Christ is a prophet in Islam.

Most Christian bashers in America don't realize that when they slag Christ, they insult Islam greatly.

Just FYI

Jesus’ Knowledge of the Unseen

There is one Messenger, however, whom the Quran says was given knowledge of the unseen. That Messenger is Jesus Christ!

As a messenger to the Children of Israel: "I come to you with a sign from your Lord - I create for you from clay the shape of a bird, then I blow into it, and it becomes a live bird by GOD’s leave. I restore vision to the blind, heal the leprous, and I revive the dead by GOD’s leave. I can tell you what you eat, and what you store in your homes. This should be a proof for you, if you are believers." S. 3:49 Khalifa

I agree with you but don't say it was Muslims who killed anyone...it was an alqaeda branch who everyone despises.....

Muhammad was given knowledge of the Unseen and he has seen the Unseen according to Islam

Al Qaeda branch?

Would you like a list of all the attacks and protests those Al Qaeda branches are busy perpetrating across the world?

The attack on the Libyan embassy was conducted by an alqaeda branch

 

[Quantum Windbag]

When you use it as an agenda to incite violence and death. That a waste. This little punk ass bitch knew what his video would cause.

So because we are now afraid of a groups retaliation we are now not allow to exercise our freedoms?

Okay.........if you're not scared of a group's retaliation to your free speech, here's an idea for you.............................

Go to the local Hell's Angel's or Bandito's club house and stand in the parking lot shouting "bikers suck"!

If you are scared to do that, then you are limiting your own right of free speech because you are afraid of a groups retaliation.

How does that track? Does that mean that if you do not stand in a street corner yelling about how Republicans want to destroy America you are limiting your free speech? If your answer to that is yes you are a lot dumber than I thought, you actually make Old lady look like Einstein.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I agree with you but don't say it was Muslims who killed anyone...it was an alqaeda branch who everyone despises.....

Muhammad was given knowledge of the Unseen and he has seen the Unseen according to Islam

Al Qaeda branch?

Would you like a list of all the attacks and protests those Al Qaeda branches are busy perpetrating across the world?

The attack on the Libyan embassy was conducted by an alqaeda branch

The attack in Libya may, or may not have, been conducted by an Al Qaeda branch. The US government insists it was a spontaneous response to an offensive film.

 

[Amazed]

I agree with you but don't say it was Muslims who killed anyone...it was an alqaeda branch who everyone despises.....

Muhammad was given knowledge of the Unseen and he has seen the Unseen according to Islam

Al Qaeda branch?

Would you like a list of all the attacks and protests those Al Qaeda branches are busy perpetrating across the world?

The attack on the Libyan embassy was conducted by an alqaeda branch

So what, are you stuck on stupid?

There are other acts of agression happening now all over the ME......and threats at Campuses all over America.....are you involved in any of this?

You obviously support the followers of Mohammed.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Al Qaeda branch?

Would you like a list of all the attacks and protests those Al Qaeda branches are busy perpetrating across the world?

The attack on the Libyan embassy was conducted by an alqaeda branch

The attack in Libya may, or may not have, been conducted by an Al Qaeda branch. The US government insists it was a spontaneous response to an offensive film.

4 people were arrested by Libyan police and are part of a militant group who they say did the attack....so we still have to see the full investigation on it