When a deep red town’s only grocery closed, city hall opened its own store. Socialism?

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Interesting--a city-owned supermarket...designed to break even..for the good of its residents--but City run private enterprise..is NOT capitalism--It just struck me..that the 'socialism' word gets tossed around a lot..mostly by those who have little or no idea of what is actually means---this..is what it means, at the grass-roots:

When a deep red town’s only grocery closed, city hall opened its own store. Just don’t call it ‘socialism.’

"When Sean Lynch ran for mayor, he never anticipated that the job would involve hiring a butcher and tracking the sale of collard greens. Baldwin, Fla., is surrounded by farm country, and in late October, local green beans, tomatoes, peanuts, cabbage and milk filled the shelves of the Baldwin Market, which the town owns.

Notably, these experiments in communal ownership are taking place in deep-red parts of the country where the word “socialism” is anathema. “You expect to hear about this in a place like the People’s Republic of Massachusetts,” jokes Brian Lang, the director of the National Campaign for Healthy Food Access at The Food Trust.

But in many rural, conservative communities struggling to hang on to their remaining residents, ideological arguments about the role of government tend to be cast aside as grocery stores shutter due to population decline and competition from superstores.

“Fundamentally, what you have is people that have lived in these rural communities all their lives, and they want these rural communities to survive,” Procter said. “And they realize that without access to food, they’re not going to survive.”

By definition, a collectively owned, government-run enterprise like the Baldwin Market is inherently socialist. But Lynch, who has a nonpartisan position but governs a town where 68 percent of residents voted for Donald Trump in 2016, doesn’t see it that way. From his point of view, the town is just doing what it’s supposed to do: Providing services to residents who already pay enough in taxes.

. At the Baldwin Market, which opened its doors on Sept. 20, all of the employees are on the municipal payroll, from the butcher to the cashiers. Workers from the town’s maintenance department take breaks from cutting grass to help unload deliveries, and residents flag down the mayor when they want to request a specific type of milk.

“We're not trying to make a profit,” Lynch told The Washington Post in a recent interview. “We're trying to cover our expenses, and keep the store running. Any money that's made after that will go into the town in some way.”"
 
Not socialism. Nobody is given anything. People are paid for their work. A profit is made although as little as possible and what profit is made is reinvested in the town.
 
Not socialism. Nobody is given anything. People are paid for their work. A profit is made although as little as possible and what profit is made is reinvested in the town.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The Federal Reserve gives the markets billions and that is not "socialism". Trump gives corporate farmers tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars but thats not "socialism".

Please, make up your mind. This is as close to what socialism as one would ever find. Socialism is the government owning the production. That is what is happening here. Socialism is NOT everyone getting something free. That is crony capitalism.
 
The very essence of socialism is to overthrow capitalism. Like nationalization. This is nothing more than filling in holes.
There is still other places in that town to get groceries. Your link states that.
Another grocery store could open up.
I get your point but its a major stretch.
 
Not socialism. Nobody is given anything. People are paid for their work. A profit is made although as little as possible and what profit is made is reinvested in the town.
Ahhh...you see..that IS socialism, by definition. socialism is not all about 'giving free stuff'--one of the mistakes that is often made. Socialism is about the State ensuring that the basic needs of the people are met...State-run business is definitely Socialist. The people who are paid...are city employees.

My take has always been that Socialism is like salt..a little helps..a lot ruins everything.

What I wonder is more about the word, 'Socialism'...has such negative baggage--can people accept something good attached to it.
 
The very essence of socialism is to overthrow capitalism. Like nationalization. This is nothing more than filling in holes.
There is still other places in that town to get groceries. Your link states that.
Another grocery store could open up.
I get your point but its a major stretch.

What does "only grocery store" mean to you?
 
The real test of whether this instance is socialism will come IF somebody makes an offer to buy the store and run it. But it it were honestly and prices set to reflect insane minimum wage rates and allow a reasonable profit margin would anyone come in the door to buy? If the community would sell then it's capitalism. If refused? Socialism. If it's refused AND the offerer is denied permission to build a competitive store? Communism.
 
Not socialism. Nobody is given anything. People are paid for their work. A profit is made although as little as possible and what profit is made is reinvested in the town.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The Federal Reserve gives the markets billions and that is not "socialism". Trump gives corporate farmers tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars but thats not "socialism".

Please, make up your mind. This is as close to what socialism as one would ever find. Socialism is the government owning the production. That is what is happening here. Socialism is NOT everyone getting something free. That is crony capitalism.
About $20 billion a year for farm subsidies. In a $3.5 trillion budget $20 billion isn't even a rounding error. The democrats created the Federal Reserve. Yell at them.
 
The very essence of socialism is to overthrow capitalism. Like nationalization. This is nothing more than filling in holes.
There is still other places in that town to get groceries. Your link states that.
Another grocery store could open up.
I get your point but its a major stretch.

What does "only grocery store" mean to you?
The town doesnt control the food market. Just that one place. The link says that.
 
The very essence of socialism is to overthrow capitalism. Like nationalization. This is nothing more than filling in holes.
There is still other places in that town to get groceries. Your link states that.
Another grocery store could open up.
I get your point but its a major stretch.
Closest grocery..Winn-Dixie..10 miles--do not conflate the political goals of Socialists with the economic effects of Socialism..it's a mistake.
 
Interesting--a city-owned supermarket...designed to break even..for the good of its residents--but City run private enterprise..is NOT capitalism--It just struck me..that the 'socialism' word gets tossed around a lot..mostly by those who have little or no idea of what is actually means---this..is what it means, at the grass-roots:

When a deep red town’s only grocery closed, city hall opened its own store. Just don’t call it ‘socialism.’

"When Sean Lynch ran for mayor, he never anticipated that the job would involve hiring a butcher and tracking the sale of collard greens. Baldwin, Fla., is surrounded by farm country, and in late October, local green beans, tomatoes, peanuts, cabbage and milk filled the shelves of the Baldwin Market, which the town owns.

Notably, these experiments in communal ownership are taking place in deep-red parts of the country where the word “socialism” is anathema. “You expect to hear about this in a place like the People’s Republic of Massachusetts,” jokes Brian Lang, the director of the National Campaign for Healthy Food Access at The Food Trust.

But in many rural, conservative communities struggling to hang on to their remaining residents, ideological arguments about the role of government tend to be cast aside as grocery stores shutter due to population decline and competition from superstores.

“Fundamentally, what you have is people that have lived in these rural communities all their lives, and they want these rural communities to survive,” Procter said. “And they realize that without access to food, they’re not going to survive.”

By definition, a collectively owned, government-run enterprise like the Baldwin Market is inherently socialist. But Lynch, who has a nonpartisan position but governs a town where 68 percent of residents voted for Donald Trump in 2016, doesn’t see it that way. From his point of view, the town is just doing what it’s supposed to do: Providing services to residents who already pay enough in taxes.

. At the Baldwin Market, which opened its doors on Sept. 20, all of the employees are on the municipal payroll, from the butcher to the cashiers. Workers from the town’s maintenance department take breaks from cutting grass to help unload deliveries, and residents flag down the mayor when they want to request a specific type of milk.

“We're not trying to make a profit,” Lynch told The Washington Post in a recent interview. “We're trying to cover our expenses, and keep the store running. Any money that's made after that will go into the town in some way.”"

"just dont call it socialism"....then "By definition, a collectively owned, government-run enterprise like the Baldwin Market is inherently socialist."


May these communist anti-American wordsmiths from the media rot in hell. Alongside socialists who are are enemies of humanity.
 
Not socialism. Nobody is given anything. People are paid for their work. A profit is made although as little as possible and what profit is made is reinvested in the town.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The Federal Reserve gives the markets billions and that is not "socialism". Trump gives corporate farmers tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars but thats not "socialism".

Please, make up your mind. This is as close to what socialism as one would ever find. Socialism is the government owning the production. That is what is happening here. Socialism is NOT everyone getting something free. That is crony capitalism.
About $20 billion a year for farm subsidies. In a $3.5 trillion budget $20 billion isn't even a rounding error. The democrats created the Federal Reserve. Yell at them.

Always with the excuses for the hypocrisy.
 
The very essence of socialism is to overthrow capitalism. Like nationalization. This is nothing more than filling in holes.
There is still other places in that town to get groceries. Your link states that.
Another grocery store could open up.
I get your point but its a major stretch.

What does "only grocery store" mean to you?
The town doesnt control the food market. Just that one place. The link says that.

You said there were other places to get groceries in town. What does "only grocery store" mean to you?
 
Not socialism. Nobody is given anything. People are paid for their work. A profit is made although as little as possible and what profit is made is reinvested in the town.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The Federal Reserve gives the markets billions and that is not "socialism". Trump gives corporate farmers tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars but thats not "socialism".

Please, make up your mind. This is as close to what socialism as one would ever find. Socialism is the government owning the production. That is what is happening here. Socialism is NOT everyone getting something free. That is crony capitalism.
About $20 billion a year for farm subsidies. In a $3.5 trillion budget $20 billion isn't even a rounding error. The democrats created the Federal Reserve. Yell at them.

Always with the excuses for the hypocrisy.
No excuse. Fact.
 
Not socialism. Nobody is given anything. People are paid for their work. A profit is made although as little as possible and what profit is made is reinvested in the town.

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. The Federal Reserve gives the markets billions and that is not "socialism". Trump gives corporate farmers tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars but thats not "socialism".

Please, make up your mind. This is as close to what socialism as one would ever find. Socialism is the government owning the production. That is what is happening here. Socialism is NOT everyone getting something free. That is crony capitalism.
About $20 billion a year for farm subsidies. In a $3.5 trillion budget $20 billion isn't even a rounding error. The democrats created the Federal Reserve. Yell at them.

Always with the excuses for the hypocrisy.
No excuse. Fact.

The complaint was people getting something for free. Just because you use the excuse that it's not a huge number that does not negate that it's for free.
 
The very essence of socialism is to overthrow capitalism. Like nationalization. This is nothing more than filling in holes.
There is still other places in that town to get groceries. Your link states that.
Another grocery store could open up.
I get your point but its a major stretch.

What does "only grocery store" mean to you?
The town doesnt control the food market. Just that one place. The link says that.

You said there were other places to get groceries in town. What does "only grocery store" mean to you?
From the article.

"But in 2018, two years into his first term, the only grocery store in town shut down. People in Baldwin, Fla., a rural outpost in northeast Florida, were left with few options. They could leave town, driving 10 miles through road construction to nearby Macclenny, or battle 20 miles of freeway traffic through Jacksonville’s suburban sprawl. Alternatively, they could cobble together a meal out of canned goods from the local Dollar General, or head to a nearby truck stop for greasy, deep-fried fast food."
 
The very essence of socialism is to overthrow capitalism. Like nationalization. This is nothing more than filling in holes.
There is still other places in that town to get groceries. Your link states that.
Another grocery store could open up.
I get your point but its a major stretch.

What does "only grocery store" mean to you?
The town doesnt control the food market. Just that one place. The link says that.

You said there were other places to get groceries in town. What does "only grocery store" mean to you?
From the article.

"But in 2018, two years into his first term, the only grocery store in town shut down. People in Baldwin, Fla., a rural outpost in northeast Florida, were left with few options. They could leave town, driving 10 miles through road construction to nearby Macclenny, or battle 20 miles of freeway traffic through Jacksonville’s suburban sprawl. Alternatively, they could cobble together a meal out of canned goods from the local Dollar General, or head to a nearby truck stop for greasy, deep-fried fast food."

OK, so you won't answer.
 
The very essence of socialism is to overthrow capitalism. Like nationalization. This is nothing more than filling in holes.
There is still other places in that town to get groceries. Your link states that.
Another grocery store could open up.
I get your point but its a major stretch.

What does "only grocery store" mean to you?
The town doesnt control the food market. Just that one place. The link says that.

You said there were other places to get groceries in town. What does "only grocery store" mean to you?
From the article.

"But in 2018, two years into his first term, the only grocery store in town shut down. People in Baldwin, Fla., a rural outpost in northeast Florida, were left with few options. They could leave town, driving 10 miles through road construction to nearby Macclenny, or battle 20 miles of freeway traffic through Jacksonville’s suburban sprawl. Alternatively, they could cobble together a meal out of canned goods from the local Dollar General, or head to a nearby truck stop for greasy, deep-fried fast food."

OK, so you won't answer.
I can't answer cause I guess I missed the question.
 
Not socialism. Nobody is given anything. People are paid for their work. A profit is made although as little as possible and what profit is made is reinvested in the town.

The state owns and controls the means of production, so yes, it is Socialism.
 

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