What's Wrong With Liberalism?

[NYcarbineer]

If you want to argue against Liberalism, argue against what liberals actually believe, support, and advocate for;

don't construct a Marxist strawman, stick a 'Liberal' nametag on him, and then argue against that.

If you want to argue with Marxists, go argue with Marxists.

"If you want to argue against Liberalism, argue against what liberals actually believe, support, and advocate for....."

Okey doke....






Here are some of the issues Liberals actually believe, support, and advocate for.....


1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

2. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.

3. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.




4. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.




7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."




9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

a. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."





10. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

11. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man." Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

12. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

13. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.


Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal ....I understand how that omits your input.....agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and desires of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?


I mean, seriously......


QED?






Oh...wait.....did I say Democrats/Liberals/Progressives????
Silly me....I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals






'don't construct a Marxist strawman, stick a 'Liberal' nametag on him, and then argue against that.'

You must be looking for the Department of Redundancy Department.

I always enjoy it when an attempt to refute something I said results in a total vindication of what I said.

 

[Redfish]

PoliticalSpice puts the RANT in intolerant!

Why must you choose Sunday to embarrass yourself thusly?


Aren't the other six days enough time for you to identify yourself as a dunce?


Bet you don't even know that John Dewy lobbied the Socialists to change their name to 'Liberal' due to the terrible defeat that Woodrow Willson's successor received.


And why does it fall to moi to educate fools like you???


Well....OK:

"How Socialist John Dewey Switched Labels
[Socialists] knew that liberalism had a good reputation with the working classes — the very audience which they were targeting. The idea was to adopt the name liberal to describe socialism. Socialism, as socialism, was harder to sell. But by taking a name they did not deserve they felt they could make political gains on the backs of classical liberalism. And they did.

[Classical] liberal describes individuals supporting free markets, private property, profit management and limited governments. o-called “liberals” support socialism, state ownership, bureaucratic management and statism. Ending the Liberal Confusion, by Jim Peron

Did I forget to mention that We the People support your right to post ignorant rants, PoliticalSpice.

OK, so you cannot refute anything she said, but you can hurl insults-------------typical dem/lib.

aren't you guys about due for a Palin attack thread?

 

[NYcarbineer]

more accurately, obama is a marxist collectivist.

And the Pope too?

 

[Redfish]

more accurately, obama is a marxist collectivist.

And the Pope too?

The Pope is head of the Catholic church. Last time I checked he was not the leader of any country. His views are religious views, not political ones.

comparing obama to the pope is like comparing Pontius Pilot to Jesus.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"If you want to argue against Liberalism, argue against what liberals actually believe, support, and advocate for....."

Okey doke....






Here are some of the issues Liberals actually believe, support, and advocate for.....


1. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

Show me one measure of American liberal public opinion that supports the above.

So....we're stipulating that all of the rest of the list are correct?

Good start.



Now for this one:

"NORTH: The Obama administration plan to disarm America
Nuclear plan is reckless lunacy
Americans following this year’s presidential campaign would never know it from mainstream media coverage, but the commander in chief we hired nearly four years ago has set the United States on a course for unilateral disarmament."

Read more: NORTH: The Obama administration plan to disarm America - Washington Times
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A nutty editorial is not evidence.

Show me one reliable measure of liberal public opinion that supports your looney claim that liberals want to totally disarm America.

Once you concede your claim was idiocy, we can move on to the next.

 

[NYcarbineer]

more accurately, obama is a marxist collectivist.

And the Pope too?

The Pope is head of the Catholic church. Last time I checked he was not the leader of any country. His views are religious views, not political ones.

comparing obama to the pope is like comparing Pontius Pilot to Jesus.

So you can't be a Marxist unless you hold political office?

lol, that is the most retarded duck and dodge I've heard in a long time.

 

[Redfish]

Show me one measure of American liberal public opinion that supports the above.

So....we're stipulating that all of the rest of the list are correct?

Good start.



Now for this one:

"NORTH: The Obama administration plan to disarm America
Nuclear plan is reckless lunacy
Americans following this year’s presidential campaign would never know it from mainstream media coverage, but the commander in chief we hired nearly four years ago has set the United States on a course for unilateral disarmament."

Read more: NORTH: The Obama administration plan to disarm America - Washington Times
Follow us: [MENTION=39892]Was[/MENTION]htimes on Twitter

A nutty editorial is not evidence.

Show me one reliable measure of liberal public opinion that supports your looney claim that liberals want to totally disarm America.

Once you concede your claim was idiocy, we can move on to the next.

Liberals: Explain how disarming law-abiding citizens will stop criminals? - Yahoo Answers

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why must you choose Sunday to embarrass yourself thusly?


Aren't the other six days enough time for you to identify yourself as a dunce?


Bet you don't even know that John Dewy lobbied the Socialists to change their name to 'Liberal' due to the terrible defeat that Woodrow Willson's successor received.


And why does it fall to moi to educate fools like you???


Well....OK:

"How Socialist John Dewey Switched Labels
[Socialists] knew that liberalism had a good reputation with the working classes — the very audience which they were targeting. The idea was to adopt the name liberal to describe socialism. Socialism, as socialism, was harder to sell. But by taking a name they did not deserve they felt they could make political gains on the backs of classical liberalism. And they did.

[Classical] liberal describes individuals supporting free markets, private property, profit management and limited governments. o-called “liberals” support socialism, state ownership, bureaucratic management and statism. Ending the Liberal Confusion, by Jim Peron

Did I forget to mention that We the People support your right to post ignorant rants, PoliticalSpice.

OK, so you cannot refute anything she said, but you can hurl insults-------------typical dem/lib.

aren't you guys about due for a Palin attack thread?

She claimed that most American liberals want to totally, unilaterally disarm the United States.

She is incapable of providing any credible evidence to support that nonsense.

That is my refutation. Would you like to help her out, or admit that she's full of shit on that one?

 

[Geaux4it]

Plain and simple- Liberalism is a disease. Just something wrong between the ears

-Geaux

 

[Spoonman]

well I'd be glad to make a list but I don't think the site has enough bandwidth to host it

 

[Redfish]

And the Pope too?

The Pope is head of the Catholic church. Last time I checked he was not the leader of any country. His views are religious views, not political ones.

comparing obama to the pope is like comparing Pontius Pilot to Jesus.

So you can't be a Marxist unless you hold political office?

lol, that is the most retarded duck and dodge I've heard in a long time.

since thats not what I said, your comment is of no value. Are you claiming that the catholic church is marxist? are you claiming that marx was a catholic?

 

[Geaux4it]

more accurately, obama is a marxist collectivist.

And a card carrying narcissist.

-Geaux

 

[NYcarbineer]

So....we're stipulating that all of the rest of the list are correct?

Good start.



Now for this one:

"NORTH: The Obama administration plan to disarm America
Nuclear plan is reckless lunacy
Americans following this year’s presidential campaign would never know it from mainstream media coverage, but the commander in chief we hired nearly four years ago has set the United States on a course for unilateral disarmament."

Read more: NORTH: The Obama administration plan to disarm America - Washington Times
Follow us: [MENTION=39892]Was[/MENTION]htimes on Twitter

A nutty editorial is not evidence.

Show me one reliable measure of liberal public opinion that supports your looney claim that liberals want to totally disarm America.

Once you concede your claim was idiocy, we can move on to the next.

Liberals: Explain how disarming law-abiding citizens will stop criminals? - Yahoo Answers

I know without even opening that that there is no credible evidence within that proving that most Liberals want to totally disarm America.

Stop insulting our intelligence.

 

[peach174]

Plain and simple- Liberalism is a disease. Just something wrong between the ears

-Geaux

I think that their electrical wirer's aren't connected right and they had to be rerouted.
That's why they are unable to think logically.

 

[M14 Shooter]

What's Wrong With Liberalism?

If nothing else, its creation and support of the welfare state, where people are forced to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation, is, inarguably, involuntary servitude.

 

[candycorn]

The funny thing is that everyone has some liberalism in them; it probably explains why conservatives are usually so hateful, they have this internal conflict of inbred hypo-criticism.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Pope is head of the Catholic church. Last time I checked he was not the leader of any country. His views are religious views, not political ones.

comparing obama to the pope is like comparing Pontius Pilot to Jesus.

So you can't be a Marxist unless you hold political office?

lol, that is the most retarded duck and dodge I've heard in a long time.

since thats not what I said, your comment is of no value. Are you claiming that the catholic church is marxist? are you claiming that marx was a catholic?

You claimed that the Pope has no political views. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Show me one measure of American liberal public opinion that supports the above.

A nutty editorial is not evidence.

You asked for "one measure of American liberal public opinion".
You got it.
Realizing this, you then moved the goalposts:

Show me one reliable measure of liberal public opinion that supports...

Eat it and smile.

 

[JWBooth]

Modern or Classical?

 

[M14 Shooter]

The funny thing is that everyone has some liberalism in them; it probably explains why conservatives are usually so hateful, they have this internal conflict of inbred hypo-criticism.

Interesting how all of your words, above, add nothing of value to the conversation.