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José;2298282 said:Mentally retarded super patriotic american clown of the US Message Board:
If "boundaries were set in place by God from the beginning of time and for a reason" California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona would be MEXICAN TERRITORY now!!!!
What would jesus do about illegal aliens?
He would be one.
José;2298282 said:Mentally retarded super patriotic american clown of the US Message Board:
If "boundaries were set in place by God from the beginning of time and for a reason" California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona would be MEXICAN TERRITORY now!!!!
no it wouldn't you dumbass....the Indians were here before anyone of us.....
José;2308471 said:José;2298282 said:Mentally retarded super patriotic american clown of the US Message Board:
If "boundaries were set in place by God from the beginning of time and for a reason" California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona would be MEXICAN TERRITORY now!!!!
no it wouldn't you dumbass....the Indians were here before anyone of us.....
LOL...
I agree 100%, Harry...
I don't pass moral judgement on the thousands of illegal americans who stole half of Mexico in the 19th century and on the illegal Mexicans flocking to the USA now because:
Ladron que roba a ladron tiene cien años de perdon (SPANISH SAYING).
Literal translation:
Thief who robs another thief gets 100 years of forgiveness.
It's no crime to steal from a thief.
José;2308471 said:José;2298282 said:Mentally retarded super patriotic american clown of the US Message Board:
If "boundaries were set in place by God from the beginning of time and for a reason" California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona would be MEXICAN TERRITORY now!!!!
no it wouldn't you dumbass....the Indians were here before anyone of us.....
LOL...
I agree 100%, Harry...
I don't pass moral judgement on the thousands of illegal americans who stole half of Mexico in the 19th century and on the illegal Mexicans flocking to the USA now because:
Ladron que roba a ladron tiene cien años de perdon (SPANISH SAYING).
Literal translation:
Thief who robs another thief gets 100 years of forgiveness.
It's no crime to steal from a thief.
José;2298282 said:Mentally retarded super patriotic american clown of the US Message Board:
If "boundaries were set in place by God from the beginning of time and for a reason" California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona would be MEXICAN TERRITORY now!!!!
José;2308471 said:no it wouldn't you dumbass....the Indians were here before anyone of us.....
LOL...
I agree 100%, Harry...
I don't pass moral judgement on the thousands of illegal americans who stole half of Mexico in the 19th century and on the illegal Mexicans flocking to the USA now because:
Ladron que roba a ladron tiene cien años de perdon (SPANISH SAYING).
Literal translation:
Thief who robs another thief gets 100 years of forgiveness.
It's no crime to steal from a thief.
This argument you keep throwing out is really getting old!
Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna! I'm sure you know this name. He overthrew your government in 1828 and won the Presidency in 1833. After becoming President, he began to change the Mexican Constitution to his liking and cause a huge rift in Mexico. This rift led to coahuila y tejas (known today as Texas!), the northern territory that formed Mexico's northern border, to seek its independence. But wait, before this. In the early 1800s, Mexicans didn't want to settle the rough terrain of Texas and ended up leaving Juan Bautista de Las Casas, Mexican leader of the northern territory, no other option but to encourage massive immigration from their northern neighbor, The United States. What, say it isn't so! Oh, but wait, Steven F. Austin, you may know this name, but if you don't, its not a Mexican name! He was the first empresario (what an American) in the territory! but how is that! According to you, we stole everything and Americans where evil people! Mexico screwed up! Get over it! We stole nothing from Mexico! Mexico lost it's own territory!!!
Todays illegal alien problem has nothing to do with anything that occurred in the 1800s! Stop with the ignorant argument and provide some substance to the threads or just simply stop posting!
José;2298282 said:Mentally retarded super patriotic american clown of the US Message Board:
If "boundaries were set in place by God from the beginning of time and for a reason" California, Texas, New Mexico and Arizona would be MEXICAN TERRITORY now!!!!
Originally posted by Cecilie1200
He means the CONCEPT, you fucknut. Not the specific lines drawn on a map. What a retard.
Originally posted by Mudwhistle
Sorry.....Mexico wasn't a country at the beginning of time.
Hate to tell you this but regardless of what you think, Mexico lost their rights to those lands a long time ago. Just as Russia sold away their rights to Alaska.
However if you want to purchase them back I think about $200 trillion might be a decent down-payment.Check your wallet and see if you can find it.
Originally posted by Reidlr
This argument you keep throwing out is really getting old!
Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna! I'm sure you know this name. He overthrew your government in 1828 and won the Presidency in 1833. After becoming President, he began to change the Mexican Constitution to his liking and cause a huge rift in Mexico. This rift led to coahuila y tejas (known today as Texas!), the northern territory that formed Mexico's northern border, to seek its independence. But wait, before this. In the early 1800s, Mexicans didn't want to settle the rough terrain of Texas and ended up leaving Juan Bautista de Las Casas, Mexican leader of the northern territory, no other option but to encourage massive immigration from their northern neighbor, The United States. What, say it isn't so! Oh, but wait, Steven F. Austin, you may know this name, but if you don't, its not a Mexican name! He was the first empresario (what an American) in the territory! but how is that! According to you, we stole everything and Americans where evil people! Mexico screwed up! Get over it! We stole nothing from Mexico! Mexico lost it's own territory!!!
Todays illegal alien problem has nothing to do with anything that occurred in the 1800s! Stop with the ignorant argument and provide some substance to the threads or just simply stop posting!
Unlike its predecessor, the Mexican law required immigrants to practice Catholicism and stressed that foreigners needed to learn Spanish. Settlers were supposed to own property or have a craft or useful profession, and all people wishing to live in Texas were expected to report to the nearest Mexican authority for permission to settle. The rules were widely disregarded and many families became squatters.
Mexican Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Also in 1830, Bustamante outlawed the immigration of United States citizens to Texas. The ban and other measures did not stop U.S. citizens from migrating to Texas by the thousands. By 1834, it was estimated that over 30,000 Anglos lived in Texas, compared to only 7,800 Mexicans.
Mexican Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is the "freedom" the "noble American revolutionaries" fought for during the Texas landgrab.Many of the Anglo-American settlers owned slaves. Texas was granted a one-year exemption from Mexico's 1829 edict outlawing slavery but Mexican president Anastasio Bustamante ordered that all slaves be freed in 1830. To circumvent the law, many Anglo colonists converted their slaves into indentured servants for life. By 1836 there were 5,000 slaves in Texas.
Mexican Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
José;2298551 said:Originally posted by Granny
Native American Granny, to you, Jose.
The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, Jose. $13 million for a worthless barren piece of land in 1848. Let's see. Now it would be worth more than Mexico is worth.
Who's the retard?
Granny, Granny...
Out of all the people in the world you should understand the way America "bought" half of Mexico...
The same way they "bought" the rest of the country from "your people".... They occupied your land (and Mexico), put a gun to your head and made you sign a document "selling" your land for peanuts making clear they would just invade it if you didn't...
José;2311248 said:I have a confession to make now.
After having decisively crushed and pulverized Reidlr's shameless rape of the History of Texas, Cali, etc... I must confess I do not have a solid reply to Angelhair's post: "two wrongs don't make a right".
I'm not backpedaling from what I said before to Harry Dresden ("it's no crime to steal from a thief").
I do find it hard to feel sorry for the landgrab America inflicted on Mexico 200 years ago, when I remember Mexicans were thieves themselves who were at the time actively trying to displace the Apaches and all the other native american tribes that inhabited Cali, Texas, etc...
I also find it hard to feel sorry for America being flooded with Mexicans when I remember that Angelhair's ancestors took that land from Mexico through violence.
But the fact that both Mexicans and Americans were land thieves doesn't mean they deserved/deserve to suffer the same fate.
I'm right when I say thieves don't deserve much sympathy when they get robbed but Angelhair is also right when she says "two wrongs don't make a right".
How exactly did I judge anything?
By saying that "some posters will quote passages from scripture in order to sit in judgement" is in fact judging "some" posters on their actions.
Judgement is nothing more than forming an opinion or evaluation after consideration or deliberation.
Hmmmm. That's actually a very interesting point.
I suppose logically that would lead to a conclusion that anyone who uses the phrase "Judge not lest ye be judged" to someone is by definition guilty of being judgmental.
I don't agree that we can extrapolate what Jesus would do by reference to scripture. A lot of what's in the bible is, history would appear to indicate, there for political reasons. In addition, a lot of what Jesus actually did say is, I believe, probably lost in the mists of poor translation and the prevailing theological dogma of the time. There I go judging again.
Your point about judgment is well made. After, as you put it, due "consideration and deliberation", I may well have to re-evaluate my future participation on USMB (not that that will bother anyone, I'm sure ). After all, that's what we do here, isn't it? Judge people.
And to be honest, the fact that it is frequently so very unpleasant has been bothering me for quite a while. Maybe it would be better if I just left it to those who enjoy it.
Thanks for your observation. You've opened my eyes to what should have been blindingly obvious. I'll have to think about this a bit longer.