What would happen to the United States if Conservatives left?

Discussion in 'Clean Debate Zone' started by bear513, May 22, 2013.

  1. Avatar4321
    Offline

    Avatar4321 Diamond Member Gold Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2004
    Messages:
    75,715
    Thanks Received:
    9,032
    Trophy Points:
    2,070
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Ratings:
    +16,818
    Where exactly would we go?
     
  2. Mertex
    Offline

    Mertex Cat Lady =^..^=

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2013
    Messages:
    26,547
    Thanks Received:
    13,782
    Trophy Points:
    1,445
    Ratings:
    +19,455
    But what you all don't seem to grasp is that the Republican party has not delivered a "smaller government". The Republican party is just the party of lower taxes, fewer social programs and a lot more military spending - which creates a bigger deficit.

    Republican Presidents have always had large federal deficits. As for not having a place in our private lives, your party is the one that wants unnecessary vaginal ultra sounds, and the Republican attorney General in Virginia even wants to keep the "anti-sodomy" law on the books. How more into private lives can you get?
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  3. PMZ
    Offline

    PMZ BANNED

    Joined:
    May 18, 2013
    Messages:
    7,609
    Thanks Received:
    128
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +129
    The US is at an extreme wealth distribution now but enough is never enough. There have been numerous studies done on the social instability of extreme wealth disparity but the concept of poorer poor and richer rich is compelling, especially to the upper middle class who long for aristocracy. They are perfectly willing to bet that we aren't quite at the limit yet
     
  4. Trakar
    Offline

    Trakar VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2011
    Messages:
    1,699
    Thanks Received:
    73
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings:
    +73
    I would put the beginning back in 2001, but would agree that it wasn't fully and widely realized until 12/2007
     
  5. PMZ
    Offline

    PMZ BANNED

    Joined:
    May 18, 2013
    Messages:
    7,609
    Thanks Received:
    128
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +129
    Certainly 2001 was when the country began building the foundation for the Great Recession.
     
  6. itfitzme
    Offline

    itfitzme VIP Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2012
    Messages:
    4,597
    Thanks Received:
    188
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    United States
    Ratings:
    +200
    I have been seeing more people dating the beginning at about 2000. *

    A recession is a technical term defined by and dated bu the NBER. *Never the less, I agree.

    I've been able to find the following indicators in the 1998 to 2001 time frame;

    1. China exports began rising considerably.
    2. Real Gasoline and oil prices began rising for the first time.
    3. The fiber optic communications to China were completed
    4. US employment rate peaked and began declining
    5. Want a job now reached bottom and began to increase.
    6. US govt real dollar outlays per capita began increasing
    7. US govt real dollar surplus per capita began falling
    8. Real $ Consumer Credit per capita began rising in '95. It doubled the 1960 to 1995 increase by 2007.
    9. Real imcome at all levels stopped rising. The bottom three began to fall.
    10. The housing bubble began
    11. US trade deficit began a large increasing trend.
    12. Labor force to pop ratio peaked in 1990
    13. Debt held by the public began climbing in '02

    That's what i have specifically.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  7. Trakar
    Offline

    Trakar VIP Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2011
    Messages:
    1,699
    Thanks Received:
    73
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings:
    +73
    I wouldn't strenuously disagree, its just that by the time you get there, the disruptions that triggered Black Monday are still an even bigger influencing economic fabric kink (along with all the "VooDoo who-do"). We've been stop-gapping economic solutions since deep in the cold-war (from both sides of the aisle - no hands are clean).
     

Share This Page