What would America be like if the anti-Abortion types win?

[Jitss617]

More then you ever had

Fairly unlikely... My guess, you don't get the level of hostility towards women you have with a healthy sex life.

Yea keep yapping lol

 

[Blues Man]

And what issues are those?

The ones you disagree with?

You're such a mental midget that you really think everyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

Um, no, just the ones who minimize gun violence by treating the deaths of minorities as no big deal. Or the ones are horrified white folks aren't having enough unwanted babies.

And FYI I am not antiabortion I just don't make up bullshit reasons why abortion should be legal.

The number of abortions performed in the US has been dropping steadily

Again, a misleading number. The number of SURGICAL abortions has been dropping. This is largely because chemical abortions like the morning after pill are more readily available. again, this is a good thing.

The birth rate is dropping steadily and in fact the fertility rate isn't high enough to even keep our population constant

So every part of your argument fails

Again, we can bring in immigrants, and we're fine. Not an issue.

I have never minimized gun violence.
I just disagree with you that preventing people who will never commit a crime from owning guns will stop criminals from getting guns.

You have always been the first to mention race not me and don't forget the derogatory names you use when you do mention race.

And we don't bring enough immigrants in to make up the difference but I thought you said our decreasing population in this country was a good thing now you want it to increase by bringing in immigrants?

Add that to list of fails in your argument.

 

[peaceful warrior]

I guess there would be a much larger percentage of the popuation living in abysmal poverty, since most of the women who get an abortion do it for economic reasons. They come form low-income households, are poorly educated to generate a steady stream of income or too young to take on raising a child by themselves.... you get the picture.

Yes, they might actually decide otherwise and give birth to a child but it's gonna be you who will be paying from your pocket for a growing number of poverty stricken under-aged kids in the form of taxes. This heavier tax burden will lead to low levels of consumption and impede economic growth leaving millios of anti-abortion americans jobless.

That's economics 101 for ya.

 

[Jitss617]

I guess there would be a much larger percentage of the popuation living in abysmal poverty, since most of the women who get an abortion do it for economic reasons. They come form low-income households, have little education, are too young to take on raisin a child by themselves.... you get the picture.. Yes, they might actually decide otherwise and give birth to a child but it's gonna be you who will be paying from your pocket for a growing number of under-aged kidsn the form of taxes. This heavier tax burden will lead to low levels of consumption and impede economic growth leaving millios of anti-abortion americans jobless.

Thta's economics 101 for ya.

Poor blacks taking more responsibility in their life is a good thing .. gov isn’t your baby daddy

 

[Blues Man]

And what issues are those?

The ones you disagree with?

You're such a mental midget that you really think everyone who disagrees with you is a racist.

Um, no, just the ones who minimize gun violence by treating the deaths of minorities as no big deal. Or the ones are horrified white folks aren't having enough unwanted babies.

And FYI I am not antiabortion I just don't make up bullshit reasons why abortion should be legal.

The number of abortions performed in the US has been dropping steadily

Again, a misleading number. The number of SURGICAL abortions has been dropping. This is largely because chemical abortions like the morning after pill are more readily available. again, this is a good thing.

The birth rate is dropping steadily and in fact the fertility rate isn't high enough to even keep our population constant

So every part of your argument fails

Again, we can bring in immigrants, and we're fine. Not an issue.

I have never minimized gun violence.
I just disagree with you that preventing people who will never commit a crime from owning guns will stop criminals from getting guns.

You have always been the first to mention race not me and don't forget the derogatory names you use when you do mention race.

And we don't bring enough immigrants in to make up the difference but I thought you said our decreasing population in this country was a good thing now you want it to increase by bringing in immigrants?

Add that to list of fails in your argument.

And about those morning after pills

You do know that the people who take them don't even know if they are pregnant when they do don't you?

All we know is that they had unprotected sex

There is no reliable data as to how many people who take those pills were actually pregnant when they did and if they in fact weren't pregnant it is not an abortion

 

[peaceful warrior]

Poor blacks taking more responsibility in their life is a good thing

It is but govenment also plays a huge role in righting the wrongs of free economy markets. You can be as responsible as they come but lose a job, get cancer or become severely injured. The govenment is going to take care of you and you kids by paying you a fixed amount of money at equal intervals without asking anything in return. Some call it socialism I just call it common sense.

And I would not single out blacks as the root cause of the problem, there is a huge number of young white women who are downright careless when it comes to sex.

 

[Jitss617]

Poor blacks taking more responsibility in their life is a good thing

It is but govenment also plays a huge role in righting the wrongs of free economy markets. You can be as responsible as they come but lose a job, get cancer or become severely injured. The govenment is going to take care of you and you kids by paying you a fixed amount of money at equal intervals without asking anything in return. Some call it socialism I just call it common sense.

And I would not single out blacks as the root cause of the problem, there is a huge number of young white women who are downright careless when it comes to sex.

We are talking about pregnancy not cancer, and I don’t think government should be paying anyone anything. ESP if you get pregnant.
And it’s not common sense, we are a limited government culture. To change that would require you fighting for it which you won’t, so shut it.

And if you think Americans agree with socialism why not have citizens write checks to pay for their neighbors healthcare instead of taken out in taxes? Let’s see how that works out lol

 

[peaceful warrior]

I don’t think government should be paying anyone anything

You are wrong. I would suggest that you read the amazing economics book for novices called "Principles of Economics" by Nicholas Gregory Mankiw. It has cleared up so many things for me. There's entire chapters dedicated to explaining why govenments sometimes need to interfere and why the invisible hand of the market might grab you by the balls and tear them away if you are not careful. The book is well-written and reads like a novel rather than your typical textbook.

Here's the book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N4EZIK5/?tag=ff0d01-20

 

[Jitss617]

I don’t think government should be paying anyone anything

You are wrong. I would suggest that you read the amazing economics book for novices called "Principles of Economics" by Nicholas Gregory Mankiw. It has cleared up so many things for me. There's entire chapters dedicated to explaining why govenment sometimes need to interfere and why the invisivle hand of the market might grab you by the balls and tear them away. The book is well-written and reads like a novel rather than a typical textbook.

Here's the book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N4EZIK5/?tag=ff0d01-20

What makes Americans strong is the stuggle, the sacrifice, this country isn’t for everyone I’d suggest you leave now before you can’t

 

[peaceful warrior]

What makes Americans strong is the stuggle, the sacrifice, this country isn’t for everyone I’d suggest you leave now before yo

Read the book or watch any introductory course in economics, pal. Then we can really have an intelligent discussion. Big words do not impress me one bit whereas knowledge does.

 

[Jitss617]

What makes Americans strong is the stuggle, the sacrifice, this country isn’t for everyone I’d suggest you leave now before yo

Read the book or watch any introductory course in economics, pal. Then we can really have an intelligent discussion. Big words do not impress me one bit whereas knowledge does.

Believe me I know more then you, I live in the inner city of Boston, I see what Democrat regulation has done to free people, I see the building codes push the ordinary out and in debt. And In to subsidize housing, as a small biz owner I see how democrats treated the ones that can’t afford a lawyer. I know more then you will ever know.

 

[JoeB131]

I have never minimized gun violence.
I just disagree with you that preventing people who will never commit a crime from owning guns will stop criminals from getting guns.

You have always been the first to mention race not me and don't forget the derogatory names you use when you do mention race.

And we don't bring enough immigrants in to make up the difference but I thought you said our decreasing population in this country was a good thing now you want it to increase by bringing in immigrants?

Add that to list of fails in your argument.

Boy, you whine a lot. Let me know when you want to have a substantive argument about the OP.

 

[JoeB131]

And about those morning after pills

You do know that the people who take them don't even know if they are pregnant when they do don't you?

All we know is that they had unprotected sex

There is no reliable data as to how many people who take those pills were actually pregnant when they did and if they in fact weren't pregnant it is not an abortion

again, wonderful sophistry.

So a woman takes a morning after pill after that wild night where she didn't prepare her contraception. Unless she works for Hobby Lobby or some other religious nut company where they regulate women's bodies based on bronze age superstitions, but I digress.

The fact that a lot of those fetuses were terminated chemically means we have to terminate a lot less of them surgically. This is a GOOD THING.

 

[peaceful warrior]

I know more then you will ever know

It's hilarious. Really? So you do not undestand the basics of how economy works, are not going to read any books because it is beneath you and claim that you knowledge surpasses my wildest expectations?

Ok, then how are people going to survive if you are not paying them their money back (government doesn't have its own money - they take the money they issued back from people by leving taxes on them , then they put it to work by funding govenment projects, financially supporting the disabled, low-income households, unemployed.

If they decide not to do that all hell will break loose since your profits are someone else's profits and if a substantial number of people cannot purchase the goods and services produced/sold withing the united states, america's companies are going to reduce production levels laying off its employees. If at some point govenment doesn't step in, things are just going to get even worse causing a country-wide economic depression similar to that of the late1920s.

 

[Jitss617]

I know more then you will ever know

It's hilarious. Really? So you do not undestand the basics of how economy works, are not going to read any books because it is beneath you and claim that you knowledge surpasses my wildest expectations?

Ok, then how are people going to survive if you are not paying them their money back (government doesn't have its own money - they take the money they issued back from people by leving taxes on them , then they put it to work by funding govenment projects, financially supporting the disabled, low-income households, unemployed.

If they decide not to do that all hell will break loose since your profits are someone else's profits and if a substantial number of people cannot purchase the goods and services produced/sold withing the united states, america's companies are going to reduce production levels laying off its employees. If at some point govenment doesn't step in, things are just going to get even worse causing a country-wide economic depression similar to that of the late1920s.

America isn’t for everyone.. Americans vote for the services we need, roads judges, etc.. if you want a welfare state great let people write personal checks to the gov.. let see how long that last lol

 

[peaceful warrior]

America isn’t for everyone..

You don't need to repeat the same meaningless phrase over and over again. It proves nothing and has nothing to do with what's being discussed here.

P.S. I live on fucking Earth, it's for everyone. And America is just part of it.

 

[Hale]

The fact that a lot of those fetuses were terminated chemically means we have to terminate a lot less of them surgically. This is a GOOD THING.

What makes this a "good" thing?

 

[Ambivalent1]

Good ole Marg.....

"In case of refusal such persons should have a choice of sterilization or isolation. Under no circumstances should the state allow such parents to cast their diseased and demented progeny upon society for the normal and fit to provide for."

You do realize she was specifically talking about people with serious genetic conditions, right? People who were so retarded that they couldn't take care of a baby to start with.

Ole Joe will be here to defend her any minute now....

Well, kind of easy when you guys lie so openly.

Here's the quote in context..

The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

As an aside, this was an unpublished paper at a time when the mentally ill were regularly sterilized for their own good.

LOL, poor ole Joe, she was a loon and you are a liar. Why don't quote wear she is talking about Alcoholics , Prostitutes and other "undesirables". If you would like to keep being embarrassed keep trying to lie. I'll keep slapping you around with her own words.

 

[Blues Man]

I don’t think government should be paying anyone anything

You are wrong. I would suggest that you read the amazing economics book for novices called "Principles of Economics" by Nicholas Gregory Mankiw. It has cleared up so many things for me. There's entire chapters dedicated to explaining why govenments sometimes need to interfere and why the invisible hand of the market might grab you by the balls and tear them away if you are not careful. The book is well-written and reads like a novel rather than your typical textbook.

Here's the book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N4EZIK5/?tag=ff0d01-20

Read Hayek and find out why it's not a good idea

 

[Blues Man]

And about those morning after pills

You do know that the people who take them don't even know if they are pregnant when they do don't you?

All we know is that they had unprotected sex

There is no reliable data as to how many people who take those pills were actually pregnant when they did and if they in fact weren't pregnant it is not an abortion

again, wonderful sophistry.

So a woman takes a morning after pill after that wild night where she didn't prepare her contraception. Unless she works for Hobby Lobby or some other religious nut company where they regulate women's bodies based on bronze age superstitions, but I digress.

The fact that a lot of those fetuses were terminated chemically means we have to terminate a lot less of them surgically. This is a GOOD THING.

If there was no fetus it cannot be terminated chemically or otherwise

And FYI the chances of getting pregnant after 1 incidence of unprotected sex is barely 20%

So we can safely say 80% of women who take a morning after pill were not in any danger of being pregnant when they took the pill.

I know people like you don't like math but unlike you numbers don't lie
Maybe that's why you don't like numbers