What will we conclude from the Ft. Lauderdale airport shootings?

[Little-Acorn]

Shouldn't we conclude that crazy people should have their guns taken away?

Only after competent authority determines such.

Yep.

And since the 2nd amendment says that government is not a competent (or even a legal) authority on that matter, who does that leave?

 

[NYcarbineer]

What could have we done to prevent it? Not a damned thing. Because we don't have a "broken thing detector". Nothing else could have foretold that he would do this.

He admitted his mind was broken.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Shouldn't we conclude that crazy people should have their guns taken away?

Only after competent authority determines such.

Yep.

And since the 2nd amendment says that government is not a competent (or even a legal) authority on that matter, who does that leave?

A judge is considered competent authority. Under the law. One should not lose a right except by being found so by a Judge.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Shouldn't we conclude that crazy people should have their guns taken away?

Only after competent authority determines such.

Yep.

And since the 2nd amendment says that government is not a competent (or even a legal) authority on that matter, who does that leave?

The 2nd amendment says no such thing.

 

[miketx]

Shouldn't we conclude that crazy people should have their guns taken away?

Only after competent authority determines such.

Yep.

And since the 2nd amendment says that government is not a competent (or even a legal) authority on that matter, who does that leave?

The second amendment say no such thing.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Shouldn't we conclude that crazy people should have their guns taken away?

Only after competent authority determines such.

Yep.

And since the 2nd amendment says that government is not a competent (or even a legal) authority on that matter, who does that leave?

The 2nd amendment says no such thing.

It is however an individual right protected by the Constitution and if you want to remove that right you need a Judge to do so.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Yep.
And since the 2nd amendment says that government is not a competent (or even a legal) authority on that matter, who does that leave?

A judge is considered competent authority. Under the law. One should not lose a right except by being found so by a Judge.

The 2nd amendment says otherwise.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Something I wrote after the Sandy Hook shootings.

As true today as it was that time.

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Whenever something like this happens, we always go through the usual "Oh my, why did he do it, what caused him to do it, what could we have done to prevent this" litany. Every time. I suppose it's only natural to think those things after some horrible tragedy like this.

But wondering what we could have done to prevent it, doesn't mean there WAS anything we could have done.

There are a lot of questions about this shooter, that haven't been answered yet.

But I can probably predict how things will go - since they have gone this way for every other mass murder like this.

The shooter's motives will be analyzed... and it will be found that he didn't really have any "normal" motives. He didn't hate the thirty or forty people he shot. He didn't even know most of them, perhaps didn't know any of them at all.

It will be found that he was a loner who was unhappy and a little weird, but not obviously homicidal. And/or his girlfriend jilted him last week. Or that he got a reprimand on his job. Or got a speeding ticket in his car. Or that he just got back from Iraq where he was greatly stressed. Or that his parents he was living with (if he was) suggested that he get off his duff and get a job. Or he got up two mornings ago, saw a green tree with a red bird in it, and decided from that to go and kill a bunch of people. Or some other thing happened that people can point to as the "trigger" that set him off.

And nobody, but nobody, will point out the fact that the thing that "set him off", is something that happens to various people every day, by the thousands or millions across this country... and none of THEM got a gun and started blasting away at everyone in sight. Not even the loners who were unhappy and a little weird... of which there are lots, in this country of 300 million people.

Why did he do it? Because there was something broken inside his head.

Not something that caused him to lurch around, drooling and babbling and slapping himself. But something that remained pretty much hidden, until a "stimulus" that hundreds of thousands of people get every day, happened to him this time. And the broken thing inside his head caused him to react very differently from the way everyone else has reacted over the eons.

What could have we done to prevent it? Not a damned thing. Because we don't have a "broken thing detector". Nothing else could have foretold that he would do this.

Even if we did have a "broken thing detector", it would probably register on 10% of the population, or more... the vast majority of whom will still never shoot anybody. What we don't know about the inner workings of the brain, would fill books, volumes, encyclopedia sets... if we knew enough about it to write them, which we don't. The "psychologists" we will see on TV for the next several weeks, are completely ignorant of what was wrong with this guy... and the honest ones will tell you that straight out. But those aren't the ones who will be on TV.

Well, that's what will happen over the next weeks. And a few people will say that if we make some laws about certain things, we will have "done something about it"... with no particular reason to think they will have any actual effect on the next guy with a broken thing inside his head.

Here we go again. As we did last time, and the time before that, and the time before that.

Useful result: ZERO. Just like last time, etc.

Shut up. We know you like your guns. I like mine too.

You know what has not happened after any of these crimes? You have not stopped for even a fucking second to think. You react. You refuse to think. It is as boring as this thread and your lame attempt to grab some glory for saying nothing....again.

 

[Little-Acorn]

Shut up.

The usual liberal-fanatic reply. "Stop talking about this!"

It's amazing how many things these poor whiners don't want to talk about.

 

[mudwhistle]

Something I wrote after the Sandy Hook shootings.

As true today as it was that time.

-----------------------------------------------------------

Whenever something like this happens, we always go through the usual "Oh my, why did he do it, what caused him to do it, what could we have done to prevent this" litany. Every time. I suppose it's only natural to think those things after some horrible tragedy like this.

But wondering what we could have done to prevent it, doesn't mean there WAS anything we could have done.

There are a lot of questions about this shooter, that haven't been answered yet.

But I can probably predict how things will go - since they have gone this way for every other mass murder like this.

The shooter's motives will be analyzed... and it will be found that he didn't really have any "normal" motives. He didn't hate the thirty or forty people he shot. He didn't even know most of them, perhaps didn't know any of them at all.

It will be found that he was a loner who was unhappy and a little weird, but not obviously homicidal. And/or his girlfriend jilted him last week. Or that he got a reprimand on his job. Or got a speeding ticket in his car. Or that he just got back from Iraq where he was greatly stressed. Or that his parents he was living with (if he was) suggested that he get off his duff and get a job. Or he got up two mornings ago, saw a green tree with a red bird in it, and decided from that to go and kill a bunch of people. Or some other thing happened that people can point to as the "trigger" that set him off.

And nobody, but nobody, will point out the fact that the thing that "set him off", is something that happens to various people every day, by the thousands or millions across this country... and none of THEM got a gun and started blasting away at everyone in sight. Not even the loners who were unhappy and a little weird... of which there are lots, in this country of 300 million people.

Why did he do it? Because there was something broken inside his head.

Not something that caused him to lurch around, drooling and babbling and slapping himself. But something that remained pretty much hidden, until a "stimulus" that hundreds of thousands of people get every day, happened to him this time. And the broken thing inside his head caused him to react very differently from the way everyone else has reacted over the eons.

What could have we done to prevent it? Not a damned thing. Because we don't have a "broken thing detector". Nothing else could have foretold that he would do this.

Even if we did have a "broken thing detector", it would probably register on 10% of the population, or more... the vast majority of whom will still never shoot anybody. What we don't know about the inner workings of the brain, would fill books, volumes, encyclopedia sets... if we knew enough about it to write them, which we don't. The "psychologists" we will see on TV for the next several weeks, are completely ignorant of what was wrong with this guy... and the honest ones will tell you that straight out. But those aren't the ones who will be on TV.

Well, that's what will happen over the next weeks. And a few people will say that if we make some laws about certain things, we will have "done something about it"... with no particular reason to think they will have any actual effect on the next guy with a broken thing inside his head.

Here we go again. As we did last time, and the time before that, and the time before that.

Useful result: ZERO. Just like last time, etc.

Islam is why he decided to murder people.
What set him over the edge was just one factor, but the underlying truth that you seem to want to dance around is the bigotry and hatred that Islam foments.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Shut up.

The usual liberal-fanatic reply. "Stop talking about this!"

It's amazing how many things these poor whiners don't want to talk about.

Your OP was a plea to not discuss the issue. My reply was a way to make you see that. Look how stupid you are.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Something I wrote after the Sandy Hook shootings.

As true today as it was that time.

-----------------------------------------------------------

Whenever something like this happens, we always go through the usual "Oh my, why did he do it, what caused him to do it, what could we have done to prevent this" litany. Every time. I suppose it's only natural to think those things after some horrible tragedy like this.

But wondering what we could have done to prevent it, doesn't mean there WAS anything we could have done.

There are a lot of questions about this shooter, that haven't been answered yet.

But I can probably predict how things will go - since they have gone this way for every other mass murder like this.

The shooter's motives will be analyzed... and it will be found that he didn't really have any "normal" motives. He didn't hate the thirty or forty people he shot. He didn't even know most of them, perhaps didn't know any of them at all.

It will be found that he was a loner who was unhappy and a little weird, but not obviously homicidal. And/or his girlfriend jilted him last week. Or that he got a reprimand on his job. Or got a speeding ticket in his car. Or that he just got back from Iraq where he was greatly stressed. Or that his parents he was living with (if he was) suggested that he get off his duff and get a job. Or he got up two mornings ago, saw a green tree with a red bird in it, and decided from that to go and kill a bunch of people. Or some other thing happened that people can point to as the "trigger" that set him off.

And nobody, but nobody, will point out the fact that the thing that "set him off", is something that happens to various people every day, by the thousands or millions across this country... and none of THEM got a gun and started blasting away at everyone in sight. Not even the loners who were unhappy and a little weird... of which there are lots, in this country of 300 million people.

Why did he do it? Because there was something broken inside his head.

Not something that caused him to lurch around, drooling and babbling and slapping himself. But something that remained pretty much hidden, until a "stimulus" that hundreds of thousands of people get every day, happened to him this time. And the broken thing inside his head caused him to react very differently from the way everyone else has reacted over the eons.

What could have we done to prevent it? Not a damned thing. Because we don't have a "broken thing detector". Nothing else could have foretold that he would do this.

Even if we did have a "broken thing detector", it would probably register on 10% of the population, or more... the vast majority of whom will still never shoot anybody. What we don't know about the inner workings of the brain, would fill books, volumes, encyclopedia sets... if we knew enough about it to write them, which we don't. The "psychologists" we will see on TV for the next several weeks, are completely ignorant of what was wrong with this guy... and the honest ones will tell you that straight out. But those aren't the ones who will be on TV.

Well, that's what will happen over the next weeks. And a few people will say that if we make some laws about certain things, we will have "done something about it"... with no particular reason to think they will have any actual effect on the next guy with a broken thing inside his head.

Here we go again. As we did last time, and the time before that, and the time before that.

Useful result: ZERO. Just like last time, etc.

Islam is why he decided to murder people.
What set him over the edge was just one factor, but the underlying truth that you seem to want to dance around is the bigotry and hatred that Islam foments.

Awesome point! You are brilliant.

 

[Little-Acorn]

The second amendment say no such thing.

It says exactly that.

"Since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, no government can have any say in who is "allowed" to own and carry a gun or other such weapon".

BTW, judges are part of the government.

(Cue the liberals insisting that the Framers surely wanted exceptions to that even though they were careful to not write any in.)

 

[miketx]

The second amendment say no such thing.

It says exactly that.

"Since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, no government can have any say in who is "allowed" to own and carry a gun or other such weapon".

BTW, judges are part of the government.

(Cue the liberals insisting that the Framers surely wanted exceptions to that even though they were careful to not write any in.)

And you're a lying sack of shit. It says no such thing.

 

[jc456]

Well hopefully someone will learn that you don't send thousands of people out on the tarmac for target practice. Holy shit I can't believe what I watched all those people looked like dead ducks on the tarmac if that had been more than one shooter holy cow

 

[owebo]

What could have we done to prevent it? Not a damned thing. Because we don't have a "broken thing detector". Nothing else could have foretold that he would do this.

He admitted his mind was broken.

Aren't all radical Islamic terrorists?

 

[Little-Acorn]

Back to the subject:

Since we usually can't tell that a guy is going to become a mass murderer by his usual (i.e. pre-murder) actions and appearance, What should we do about them? IS there anything we can do, short of reading his mind?

The Ft. Lauderdale guy was more weird than most. But you might be surprised how many are. And most of those weird people DON'T grab a gun and start shooting.

On some TV show today (don't remember which, sorry) they had on a former director of the FBI, and asked him why "the authorities" didn't forbid the guy from owning a gun as soon as he walked into an FBI office and complained "the government" was controlling his mind or something.

He replied that there are hundreds of FBI offices, and lots of nutcases walked into them every years, complaining about mind control or sinister conspiracies or etc., amounting to millions of such complaints per year. And the vast majority of those never do anything worse than spitting on the sidewalk. Taking away all their guns would be wrong, he said - history has shown that the vast majority never do anything wrong with them.

My point in the OP is that most mass shooters never look weird enough to arouse suspicion before they commit their murders.

That former FBI director's point was that a number of people from the general populace DO sometimes look very weird... and the vast majority of those never commit mass murders, or even steal an old lady's purse.

 

[mudwhistle]

The second amendment say no such thing.

It says exactly that.

"Since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, no government can have any say in who is "allowed" to own and carry a gun or other such weapon".

BTW, judges are part of the government.

(Cue the liberals insisting that the Framers surely wanted exceptions to that even though they were careful to not write any in.)

You seem to be ignoring the cause of this attack and focusing only on the tools used by the attacker.
That's completely retarded.
Attacks around the world have proved that a truck or a bomb can kill just as many people as a gun.
The only common aspect of all of these recent attacks is the fact that the perp was a Muslim who felt he was doing something God wanted.
I have to question your motives if you insist on ignoring this fact.

 

[owebo]

Shut up.

The usual liberal-fanatic reply. "Stop talking about this!"

It's amazing how many things these poor whiners don't want to talk about.

It this was a conservative shooter and not a radical Islamic democrat terrorist, we would be on page 10,000 by now.....

 

[Kaykan]

Aren't all radical Islamic terrorists

Was he a radical Islamic terrorist?
Do you have a link to a reputable source?
TIA