What will we conclude from the Ft. Lauderdale airport shootings?

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Something I wrote after the Sandy Hook shootings.

As true today as it was that time.

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Whenever something like this happens, we always go through the usual "Oh my, why did he do it, what caused him to do it, what could we have done to prevent this" litany. Every time. I suppose it's only natural to think those things after some horrible tragedy like this.

But wondering what we could have done to prevent it, doesn't mean there WAS anything we could have done.

There are a lot of questions about this shooter, that haven't been answered yet.

But I can probably predict how things will go - since they have gone this way for every other mass murder like this.

The shooter's motives will be analyzed... and it will be found that he didn't really have any "normal" motives. He didn't hate the thirty or forty people he shot. He didn't even know most of them, perhaps didn't know any of them at all.

It will be found that he was a loner who was unhappy and a little weird, but not obviously homicidal. And/or his girlfriend jilted him last week. Or that he got a reprimand on his job. Or got a speeding ticket in his car. Or that he just got back from Iraq where he was greatly stressed. Or that his parents he was living with (if he was) suggested that he get off his duff and get a job. Or he got up two mornings ago, saw a green tree with a red bird in it, and decided from that to go and kill a bunch of people. Or some other thing happened that people can point to as the "trigger" that set him off.

And nobody, but nobody, will point out the fact that the thing that "set him off", is something that happens to various people every day, by the thousands or millions across this country... and none of THEM got a gun and started blasting away at everyone in sight. Not even the loners who were unhappy and a little weird... of which there are lots, in this country of 300 million people.

Why did he do it? Because there was something broken inside his head.

Not something that caused him to lurch around, drooling and babbling and slapping himself. But something that remained pretty much hidden, until a "stimulus" that hundreds of thousands of people get every day, happened to him this time. And the broken thing inside his head caused him to react very differently from the way everyone else has reacted over the eons.

What could have we done to prevent it? Not a damned thing. Because we don't have a "broken thing detector". Nothing else could have foretold that he would do this.

Even if we did have a "broken thing detector", it would probably register on 10% of the population, or more... the vast majority of whom will still never shoot anybody. What we don't know about the inner workings of the brain, would fill books, volumes, encyclopedia sets... if we knew enough about it to write them, which we don't. The "psychologists" we will see on TV for the next several weeks, are completely ignorant of what was wrong with this guy... and the honest ones will tell you that straight out. But those aren't the ones who will be on TV.

Well, that's what will happen over the next weeks. And a few people will say that if we make some laws about certain things, we will have "done something about it"... with no particular reason to think they will have any actual effect on the next guy with a broken thing inside his head.

Here we go again. As we did last time, and the time before that, and the time before that.

Useful result: ZERO. Just like last time, etc.
 
Investigators seek motive in Florida airport shooting...
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Suspect chose Florida airport for rampage that killed five: FBI
January 7, 2017 - The Iraq war veteran accused of killing five people at Fort Lauderdale airport apparently chose to travel to Florida to carry out the rampage, and there are no signs any altercation triggered the attack, authorities said on Saturday.
The 26-year-old suspect, Esteban Santiago, had a history of acting erratically and investigators are probing whether mental illness played a role in America's latest mass shooting. He cooperated with investigators during an interview that lasted several hours overnight, George Piro, special agent in charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation's office in Miami, said on Saturday. "Indications are that he came here to carry out this horrific attack," Piro told reporters at the airport. "We have not identified any triggers that would have caused this."

Piro said terrorism has not been ruled out as a motive and that the suspect's recent travel is being reviewed. He stressed it was still very early in the investigation. Federal charges against Santiago are due to be announced later on Saturday. Five people were killed and six wounded in the attack, while some three dozen were taken to local hospitals with bruises or broken bones suffered in the chaos as passengers fled Friday's rampage in the crowded baggage claim area.

Authorities say Santiago arrived in Ft. Lauderdale on a connecting flight from Alaska, and that he retrieved a 9mm semi-automatic handgun from his checked luggage before loading it in a bathroom and then shooting indiscriminately. Witnesses said the gunman, who was wearing a blue "Star Wars" T-shirt, said nothing as he fired, and that he surrendered to police only after running out of ammunition.

Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel told the news conference it took the first deputy about 70 to 80 seconds to contact the suspect after the first shots rang out. Florida Governor Rick Scott said people just trying to live their lives and enjoy the weekend had been senselessly murdered, and that some of the victims were still in surgery fighting for their lives.

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The Latest, victims: Georgia woman was 'life of the party'
January 7, 2017 — The Latest on the five people killed in the airport shooting in Fort Lauderdale, Florida (all times local):
12:40 p.m.

A devout Catholic woman who lived in Georgia was among the five people killed in the Fort Lauderdale, Florida, airport shooting. That's according to her church, which confirmed the death of Olga Woltering in a statement on its website Saturday, the day after the attack.

The Catholic Church of the Transfiguration said the native English woman who had long lived in the Atlanta suburb of Marietta "was so charming, calling everybody 'Lovey' or 'Love' in her unmistakable British accent." A fellow parishioner says she and her husband, Ralph, were "the life of the party." The church says, "Her life revolved around her kids, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, and hundreds of extended family at Transfiguration."

12:05 p.m.

The sister of an Iowa man says he was among the five people killed in the Fort Lauderdale, Florida, airport shooting. Elizabeth Oehme-Miller told The Associated Press by phone Saturday that her brother, 57-year-old Michael Oehme, was killed in Friday's attack and that her brother's wife, Kari Oehme, was shot in the shoulder and is expected to recover.

Oehme-Miller says the couple was in Fort Lauderdale getting ready for a Caribbean cruise that was supposed to start Saturday. She says they were frequent travelers who loved cruises and were happy to be headed on another one. Oehme-Miller says another family member is flying to Fort Lauderdale to help Kari Oehme return home to Council Bluffs, which is right across the state border from Omaha, Nebraska. No official list of the victims has been released, but loved ones have started to talk about them to news outlets.

The Latest, victims: Georgia woman was 'life of the party'
 
Gun free zones are still deadly. That is the only reasonable conclusion you can come to, unless you are a stain.
 
Shouldn't we conclude that crazy people should have their guns taken away?
After you prove conclusively in a court of law that they are crazy. But proving something is the one thing you stains are incapable of.
 
Shouldn't we conclude that crazy people should have their guns taken away?
After you prove conclusively in a court of law that they are crazy. But proving something is the one thing you stains are incapable of.

Guy comes in to the FBI and tells them he has voices in his head from ISIS.

I think his right to own guns is pretty much gone at that point.
 
Shouldn't we conclude that crazy people should have their guns taken away?
Didn't even read the OP, did we?

why should I? answer the question.

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Shouldn't we conclude that crazy people should have their guns taken away?
After you prove conclusively in a court of law that they are crazy. But proving something is the one thing you stains are incapable of.

Guy comes in to the FBI and tells them he has voices in his head from ISIS.

I think his right to own guns is pretty much gone at that point.
Stains like you are why we have due process.
 
For some reason democrats think that it's O.K. for crazy people to possess firearms but not anyone else. They had to take my 87 year old mother in law to a room and check her with a metal detector at an airport when she didn't have the paperwork that proved she had an artificial knee but the U.S. military sends a crazy person home with a freaking gun and the FBI does nothing when the same bumbling drooling idiot walks into their office and claims that he hears voices that tell him to support ISIS. Drain the swamp before it's too late.
 
For some reason democrats think that it's O.K. for crazy people to possess firearms but not anyone else. They had to take my 87 year old mother in law to a room and check her with a metal detector at an airport when she didn't have the paperwork that proved she had an artificial knee but the U.S. military sends a crazy person home with a freaking gun and the FBI does nothing when the same bumbling drooling idiot walks into their office and claims that he hears voices that tell him to support ISIS. Drain the swamp before it's too late.

Why are you trying to blame this on Democrats?
 
Shouldn't we conclude that crazy people should have their guns taken away?
Didn't even read the OP, did we?

why should I? answer the question.

Libtard ROE


1. Demand a link or an explanation of the truth you are objecting to.

2. Promptly reject all explanations as right wing lies.

3. Ignore any facts presented.

4. Ridicule spelling and typos.

5. Attack the person as being juvenile, ie: "are you 12 years old", question their education, intelligence.

6. Employ misdirection, smear people, attack religion

7. Lie, make false assumptions

8. Play race/gender card

9. Play gay/lesbian card

10. Play the Nazi card

11. Make up stuff

12. Deny constantly

13. Reword and repeat

14. Pretending not to understand when they have been posting about it for the last 2 days.
That's why I seldom bother to respond to trolls.
 

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