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I wonder if you think that all taxes are bad and should be abolished.
No.
To elaborate, I have no problem with taxes that are applied equally to generate the revenue required for government to function. My complaint is with tax policies that are formulated to manipulate us in ways that would be clearly unconstitutional if implemented as straightforward laws. If, for example, Congress passed a law that everyone was required to buy energy-efficient water heaters, and that those who didn't would be fined, I think most of us would recognize that as an unconstitutional law. Yet the tax incentives "rewarding" the purchase of energy-efficient water heaters are functionally equivalent.
To elaborate, I have no problem with taxes that are applied equally to generate the revenue required for government to function. My complaint is with tax policies that are formulated to manipulate us in ways that would be clearly unconstitutional if implemented as straightforward laws. If, for example, Congress passed a law that everyone was required to buy energy-efficient water heaters, and that those who didn't would be fined, I think most of us would recognize that as an unconstitutional law. Yet the tax incentives "rewarding" the purchase of energy-efficient water heaters are functionally equivalent.
Whatever.
I never understood this habit of labeling whatever you don't like about the government as unconstitutional.
We live in a democracy. That means we can use elections to fix any law we don't like. The only thing we need the Constitution for is protection of democracy and basic human rights.
Any thoughts on that?
Since the Fed can now force us to buy hc ins, there's no end of things that can be mandated, for our own good.
I'm thinking life ins. Those evul grave diggers demand thousands of dollars just to dig a hole and put your loved one in it.
Forcing everone to get it, and giving it free to the poor will lower the cost of premiums and make certain no one ever has to pony up for any of the costs of dying.
plus all those evul life insurance companies = about $14 trillion dollar industry, so we should put more government regs on them.
This is a sad sad day for freedom.
The mandate made its political début in a 1989 Heritage Foundation brief titled Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans, as a counterpoint to the single-payer system and the employer mandate, which were favored in Democratic circles. In the brief, Stuart Butler, the foundations health-care expert, argued, Many states now require passengers in automobiles to wear seat-belts for their own protection. Many others require anybody driving a car to have liability insurance. But neither the federal government nor any state requires all households to protect themselves from the potentially catastrophic costs of a serious accident or illness. Under the Heritage plan, there would be such a requirement. The mandate made its first legislative appearance in 1993, in the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Actthe Republicans alternative to President Clintons health-reform billwhich was sponsored by John Chafee, of Rhode Island, and co-sponsored by eighteen Republicans, including Bob Dole, who was then the Senate Minority Leader.
The "mandate" originated with Republicans. In other words, they were for it before they were against it. Republicans had every opportunity to reform healthcare - but they did not.
The "mandate" originated with Republicans. In other words, they were for it before they were against it. Republicans had every opportunity to reform healthcare - but they did not.
If Obama passed a law saying you must breathe oxygen, you idiots would hold your breath.
If Obama passed a law saying you must breathe oxygen, you idiots would hold your breath.
I don't know who "you idiots" refers to, but that's not the case with me. PPACA is the worst sort of corporatist shitpile. Doesn't matter whether it was a Republican or Democrat idea, or who was responsible.
I'm talking about the idiots who scream socialism when we are handing private insurance millions of new customers.
So we are not going to be forced to buy ins?
did I miss that part? or are we just going to be taxed for not having ins?
it's the fucking same thing. Using semantics and calling something a tax is just a lie.
No.. it's not the same thing.
Yes it is.
Originally: if you don't purchase health insurance you will be fined (penalty).
After today's ruling: if you don't purchase health insurance you will be taxed.
What's different?
No.. it's not the same thing.
Yes it is.
Originally: if you don't purchase health insurance you will be fined (penalty).
After today's ruling: if you don't purchase health insurance you will be taxed.
What's different?
Being FORCED to buy insurance and paying a tax if you don't are not the same. No one is holding a gun to your head.
And of all the things to protest paying for... there are a lot more protest-worthy things, things we can blame Obama for as well.
I'm not a rep.Any thoughts on that?
Since the Fed can now force us to buy hc ins, there's no end of things that can be mandated, for our own good.
I'm thinking life ins. Those evul grave diggers demand thousands of dollars just to dig a hole and put your loved one in it.
Forcing everone to get it, and giving it free to the poor will lower the cost of premiums and make certain no one ever has to pony up for any of the costs of dying.
plus all those evul life insurance companies = about $14 trillion dollar industry, so we should put more government regs on them.
This is a sad sad day for freedom.
Ask the Heritage Foundation and all the repubs who were for it for 10 years before they were against it
Oh NOZE, not affordable, guaranteed health CARE!!!
Pub dupes...
Refuse to pay your tax and what happens? Agents will come to your house, put a gun to your head and take you off to jail. Right or wrong?Yes it is.
Originally: if you don't purchase health insurance you will be fined (penalty).
After today's ruling: if you don't purchase health insurance you will be taxed.
What's different?
Being FORCED to buy insurance and paying a tax if you don't are not the same. No one is holding a gun to your head.
And of all the things to protest paying for... there are a lot more protest-worthy things, things we can blame Obama for as well.
You are being forced to buy a product which if you do not buy, or pay a tax not charged equally to everyone, you will pay with your liberty.
Makeup for feminists, noway you be against that!
Any thoughts on that?
Since the Fed can now force us to buy hc ins, there's no end of things that can be mandated, for our own good.
I'm thinking life ins. Those evul grave diggers demand thousands of dollars just to dig a hole and put your loved one in it.
Forcing everone to get it, and giving it free to the poor will lower the cost of premiums and make certain no one ever has to pony up for any of the costs of dying.
plus all those evul life insurance companies = about $14 trillion dollar industry, so we should put more government regs on them.
This is a sad sad day for freedom.
you know... it strikes me that if the mandate were that you buy a gun, you wouldn't be complaining.
just saying.
now THAT'S sad...
How fucking dare you imply that I would be ok that anyone be forced to buy anything.
Any thoughts on that?
Since the Fed can now force us to buy hc ins, there's no end of things that can be mandated, for our own good.
Any thoughts on that?
Since the Fed can now force us to buy hc ins, there's no end of things that can be mandated, for our own good.
not true.
why?
because:
The Government asked the Court to view the mandate as imposing a tax on those who do not buy that product.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf
