What The Welfare State Means

[Annie]

Waste, inefficiency, and more of the same:

Washington sends $1 food stamp checks to 250,000 - Washington State | Tri-City Herald : Mid-Columbia news

Washington sends $1 food stamp checks to 250,000
The Associated Press
OLYMPIA, Wash. The state of Washington sent out $1 checks to the 250,000 food stamp recipients in the state.

The director of the Community Services Division for the Department of Social and Health Services, Leo Ribas, says the checks mailed Feb. 17 trigger an additional $43 million in federal food benefits. They also connect recipients to an energy assistance program.

Ribas says the $1 check is a one-time move to leverage the federal money. He says next year the state will be able to trigger the federal assistance through a routine deposit in food stamp accounts.

Let's see:

250k X $1=$250,000
250k X .42=$105,00
250,000 + 105,00=$350,000 for future leverage of federal monies.

 

[elvis]

Waste, inefficiency, and more of the same:

Washington sends $1 food stamp checks to 250,000 - Washington State | Tri-City Herald : Mid-Columbia news

Washington sends $1 food stamp checks to 250,000
The Associated Press
OLYMPIA, Wash. The state of Washington sent out $1 checks to the 250,000 food stamp recipients in the state.

The director of the Community Services Division for the Department of Social and Health Services, Leo Ribas, says the checks mailed Feb. 17 trigger an additional $43 million in federal food benefits. They also connect recipients to an energy assistance program.

Ribas says the $1 check is a one-time move to leverage the federal money. He says next year the state will be able to trigger the federal assistance through a routine deposit in food stamp accounts.

Let's see:

250k X $1=$250,000
250k X .42=$105,00
250,000 + 105,00=$350,000 for future leverage of federal monies.

but, but, Obama promised he would be different.

 

[Agnapostate]

Waste, inefficiency, and more of the same:

Washington sends $1 food stamp checks to 250,000 - Washington State | Tri-City Herald : Mid-Columbia news

Washington sends $1 food stamp checks to 250,000
The Associated Press
OLYMPIA, Wash. The state of Washington sent out $1 checks to the 250,000 food stamp recipients in the state.

The director of the Community Services Division for the Department of Social and Health Services, Leo Ribas, says the checks mailed Feb. 17 trigger an additional $43 million in federal food benefits. They also connect recipients to an energy assistance program.

Ribas says the $1 check is a one-time move to leverage the federal money. He says next year the state will be able to trigger the federal assistance through a routine deposit in food stamp accounts.

Let's see:

250k X $1=$250,000
250k X .42=$105,00
250,000 + 105,00=$350,000 for future leverage of federal monies.

That is not an accurate summary of the alleged "inefficiency" of the welfare state as a whole, and has greater relations to other financial problems inherent in capitalism.

Your false proclamations about the inherent failure of the welfare state are not supported by viable empirical evidence, as primarily indicated by Heading et al.'s Is There a Trade-Off Between Economic Efficiency and a Generous Welfare State? A Comparison of Best Cases of `The Three Worlds of Welfare Capitalism’ Consider the abstract:

A crucial debate in policy-making as well as academic circles is whether there is a trade-off between economic efficiency and the size/generosity of the welfare state. One way to contribute to this debate is to compare the performance of best cases of different types of state. Arguably, in the decade 1985-94, the US, West Germany and the Netherlands were best cases - best economic performers - in what G. Esping-Andersen calls the three worlds of welfare capitalism. The US is a liberal welfare-capitalist state, West Germany a corporatist state, and the Netherlands is social democratic in its tax-transfer system, although not its labor market policies. These three countries had rates of economic growth per capita as high or higher than other rich countries of their type, and the lowest rates of unemployment. At a normative or ideological level the three types of state have the same goals but prioritise them differently. The liberal state prioritises economic growth and efficiency, avoids work disincentives, and targets welfare benefits only to those in greatest need. The corporatist state aims to give priority to social stability, especially household income stability, and social integration. The social democratic welfare state claims high priority for minimising poverty, inequality and unemployment. Using ten years of panel data for each country, we assess indicators of their short (one year), medium (five year) and longer term (ten year) performance in achieving economic and welfare goals. Overall, in this time period, the Netherlands achieved the best performance on the welfare goals to which it gave priority, and equalled the other two states on most of the goals to which they gave priority. This result supports the view that there is no necessary trade-off between economic efficiency and a generous welfare state.

Hence, though I have long acknowledged that social democracy, for instance, is incapable of ending the business cycle or certain other deleterious effects of capitalism, it does tend to minimize or neutralize other negative consequences while not sacrificing economic efficiency while doing so.

 

[alan1]

In other words, they added 250,000 people to the "welfare roles" in order to extort more money from the feds.

 

[Care4all]

yep, more of the same.....

27 days in to the Obama presidency....can't believe they were not made aware of this by the previous administration!

Damn Bush Administration and the State of Washington, wasteful as hell....no?

 

[Old Rocks]

You know, had they sent all these people something meaningful, $25 or $50 in food stamps, Annie, you would be condemning the wastefulness of the government. No matter what the needs of the people were.

 

[Annie]

You know, had they sent all these people something meaningful, $25 or $50 in food stamps, Annie, you would be condemning the wastefulness of the government. No matter what the needs of the people were.

Did you read what you wrote?

 

[Godboy]

Unfortunately, Welfare is directly responsible for all the murder and drugs in black communities. If young black girls were unable to collect money from the governemnt when they have kids with no father, they wouldnt have kids in the first place. Once they do it once, they keep spitting out more and more of them to collect even more money, and then this single mother cant properly parent her children, which leads these kids into gangs and crime and they eventually become murderers, pimps and drug dealers.

Welfare is the cause of all the black communities ills, they just dont realize it.

 

[KittenKoder]

Unfortunately, Welfare is directly responsible for all the murder and drugs in black communities. If young black girls were unable to collect money from the governemnt when they have kids with no father, they wouldnt have kids in the first place. Once they do it once, they keep spitting out more and more of them to collect even more money, and then this single mother cant properly parent her children, which leads these kids into gangs and crime and they eventually become murderers, pimps and drug dealers.

Welfare is the cause of all the black communities ills, they just dont realize it.

The biggest welfare mom in our state (Washington, and no I don't defend the action) is white. 14 kids, and planning more, a serious junky, all the kids are even in Foster Homes (which cost more). She has them to collect TANF, which also houses them, wasting the money on more drugs. She stopped only because ... well ... she dried up finally. But she's white, and famous in the shelters in a bad way.

 

[Agnapostate]

Unfortunately, Welfare is directly responsible for all the murder and drugs in black communities. If young black girls were unable to collect money from the governemnt when they have kids with no father, they wouldnt have kids in the first place. Once they do it once, they keep spitting out more and more of them to collect even more money, and then this single mother cant properly parent her children, which leads these kids into gangs and crime and they eventually become murderers, pimps and drug dealers.

Welfare is the cause of all the black communities ills, they just dont realize it.

Ah...that reminds me.

 

[Agnapostate]

That is not an accurate summary of the alleged "inefficiency" of the welfare state as a whole, and has greater relations to other financial problems inherent in capitalism.

Your false proclamations about the inherent failure of the welfare state are not supported by viable empirical evidence, as primarily indicated by Heading et al.'s Is There a Trade-Off Between Economic Efficiency and a Generous Welfare State? A Comparison of Best Cases of `The Three Worlds of Welfare Capitalism’ Consider the abstract:

A crucial debate in policy-making as well as academic circles is whether there is a trade-off between economic efficiency and the size/generosity of the welfare state. One way to contribute to this debate is to compare the performance of best cases of different types of state. Arguably, in the decade 1985-94, the US, West Germany and the Netherlands were best cases - best economic performers - in what G. Esping-Andersen calls the three worlds of welfare capitalism. The US is a liberal welfare-capitalist state, West Germany a corporatist state, and the Netherlands is social democratic in its tax-transfer system, although not its labor market policies. These three countries had rates of economic growth per capita as high or higher than other rich countries of their type, and the lowest rates of unemployment. At a normative or ideological level the three types of state have the same goals but prioritise them differently. The liberal state prioritises economic growth and efficiency, avoids work disincentives, and targets welfare benefits only to those in greatest need. The corporatist state aims to give priority to social stability, especially household income stability, and social integration. The social democratic welfare state claims high priority for minimising poverty, inequality and unemployment. Using ten years of panel data for each country, we assess indicators of their short (one year), medium (five year) and longer term (ten year) performance in achieving economic and welfare goals. Overall, in this time period, the Netherlands achieved the best performance on the welfare goals to which it gave priority, and equalled the other two states on most of the goals to which they gave priority. This result supports the view that there is no necessary trade-off between economic efficiency and a generous welfare state.

Hence, though I have long acknowledged that social democracy, for instance, is incapable of ending the business cycle or certain other deleterious effects of capitalism, it does tend to minimize or neutralize other negative consequences while not sacrificing economic efficiency while doing so.

So I take it we're not interested in empirical evidence?

 

[DiamondDave]

You know, had they sent all these people something meaningful, $25 or $50 in food stamps, Annie, you would be condemning the wastefulness of the government. No matter what the needs of the people were.

THe needs of the people are to be taken care of by themselves

So yes.. welfare spending IS waste

BUT.. what happened here is even MORE waste... above and beyond

 

[pete]

Unfortunately, Welfare is directly responsible for all the murder and drugs in black communities. If young black girls were unable to collect money from the governemnt when they have kids with no father, they wouldnt have kids in the first place. Once they do it once, they keep spitting out more and more of them to collect even more money, and then this single mother cant properly parent her children, which leads these kids into gangs and crime and they eventually become murderers, pimps and drug dealers.

Welfare is the cause of all the black communities ills, they just dont realize it.

I do.
Its not just blacks and usually what is referred to as minorities.