What The Heck Happened To Columbus??

[CrusaderFrank]

Progressives DESPISE anyone who: a) takes chances, and b) upsets the status quo

 

[rightwinger]

It is October 12......Let the "War on Columbus" begin

Preparation for the War on Christmas




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[koshergrl]

Liberalism happened to Chris.

1. Christopher Columbus suffers from the fate of all those who run counter to what ever the Left wishes to advance at the moment.




2. At the start, and for hundreds of years, Columbus was considered a hero, responsible for "...one small step for man,one giant leap for mankind."

The problem is that his endeavors, and praise thereof, were seen as proxy for the spirit of commerce, capitalism, and even of the greatness of America.


3. But Columbus' repute peaked by the end of the 19th century.....coincidentally, just when collectivism, Progressivism, began to gain momentum. One certainly shouldn't expect to see this kind of endorsement: the Columbian Exhibition in Chicago, 1893, announced that "1492 was not just an important historical date, but a turning point in the emancipation of mankind."
Royal, R., "1492 And All That: Political Manipulations of History," p.10.





4. And poor Columbus was on the wrong side of not just capitalism, but of religion as well! Because of him, Christian missionaries preached the Gospel where it had never been before.

a. There was even a movement for his canonisation. Although the Vatican would not agree to this Pope Leo XIII issued an encyclical, Quarto abeunte saeculo, which praised Columbus in the highest terms:
'For the exploit is in itself the highest and grandest which any age has ever seen accomplished by man; and he who achieved it, for the greatness of mind and heart, can be compared to but few in the history of humanity. The Pope especially commended Columbus for bringing Christianity to ‘a mighty multitude, cloaked in miserable darkness, given over to evil rites, and the superstitious worship of vain gods’
Quoted in Royal, Ibid, p.11.




5. Jump to the 1992 Quincentenary, a century into Progressive influence, and things looked very different for poor Chris.

a. All sorts of writings objected that he hadn't really discovered America! The Indians were here...and they weren't waiting around to be discovered.

b. Columbus and the Europeans were accused of exploiting the Indians, of brutally
mistreating and murdering them by the million, of infecting them with European diseases to which they had no resistance, and of making them slaves in their own country. Christopher Columbus stood accused of genocide. Russell Means of the American Indian Movement claimed that Columbus was worse than Hitler! http://cfbportal.schoolwires.net/cm...nstance/3193/colonization/WorldsCollide06.pdf

c. Even the churches turned on Columbus!
Even The US National Council of Churches issued a statement on the quincentenary in which advanced the bogus claim of ‘genocide.
transformcolumbusdayalliance



Columbus never rode on a bus....but he got thrown under it!

"...one small step for man,one giant leap for mankind."

?? Is he the one who landed on the moon? LOL

Maybe what happened to Columbus was the evolving standards of human decency and a revulsion to genocide and exploitation. If you are going to blame progressives for throwing under the bus, then you are also saying that those capitalists and religious people -not that progressives cannot also be capitalists and religious- support crimes against humanity.

Oh brother, lol.

 

[Moonglow]

4. And poor Columbus was on the wrong side of not just capitalism, but of religion as well! Because of him, Christian missionaries preached the Gospel where it had never been before.

Someone had to pray over the murder of the natives that were enslaved by that great navigator, when he needed wealth to make it worth his christian time...

6. But, by and large, the most powerful weapon used against Columbus was an iteration of Leftism known as environmentalism.


At the heart of the charges against Chris the Leftist/environmentalists claimed:

a. the exploitation of the native population,

b. Judeo-Christian attitudes which placed man above nature, and

c. denying the 'noble savages' of their ability to live in harmony with Mother Earth.



7. An example of the juvenile myths passed off as science, by the Left:

" The ecological agenda is what many indigenous peoples believe can, and must, unite all peoples in 1992. That agenda calls for everyone to take aggressive action to stop the
destruction of the Earth, essentially to end the biological, technological, and ecological invasion/conquest that began with Columbus’ ill-fated voyage 500 years ago."
Winona LaDuke, "We Are Still Here", Sojourners, Vol 20, No 8, October 1991, p.16.


b. Even National Geographic jumped on that bandwagon: In ‘1491: America Before Columbus’, told its readers that Native Americans were closer to nature than we are, living in a more harmonious relationship with their environment.
Brandenburg, Jim, et al. "The Land They Knew: A Portfolio" (1491: America Before Columbus).National Geographic180, no. 4 (October 1991): 14-100.




The core of environmentalism is a hatred for mankind. They want mass infanticide, zero population growth, reduced standards of living, and vegetarianism.


"Liberal environmentalists admire the living situation of the earthworm and believe that humans should emulate it." Coulter





And to that bogus point about the intimate relationship between the Native Americans and the environment...

.....no human beings have been as destructive of their fauna and flora as the 'noble savages' were.

You are yet again showing your vindictive hypocrisy when you believe what happened was done in the good nature of Christians..
The natives did want to live without being conquered, but when you are building a christian empire someone must win and someone must lose.. yet you are anti-Papal ,,,and yet you support the Papal edict which bestowed the blessing of the church upon the lower human status of non-christian heathens, sorry, barbaric heathens....and their need to be dominated by white European xtians......

 

[hortysir]

4. And poor Columbus was on the wrong side of not just capitalism, but of religion as well! Because of him, Christian missionaries preached the Gospel where it had never been before.

Someone had to pray over the murder of the natives that were enslaved by that great navigator, when he needed wealth to make it worth his christian time...

^^^^
That


Columbus was a raping pillager that never set foot in America.

Government and bank workers wanted another3 day weekend in October and this was as good a reason as any

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Progressives DESPISE anyone who: a) takes chances, and b) upsets the status quo

Another ridiculous lie from the right.

 

[Picaro]

Maybe what happened to Columbus was the evolving standards of human decency and a revulsion to genocide and exploitation. If you are going to blame progressives for throwing under the bus, then you are also saying that those capitalists and religious people -not that progressives cannot also be capitalists and religious- support crimes against humanity.

lol what a load of complete drivel. The 'Noble Savage' myth is some '60's hippy fantasy; Columbus, and most colonists, were tame little kittens compared to 'native americans'. Quit watching those ridiculous Billy Jack movies. The 'natives' were brutal slave owners, thieves, butchers, rapists, and tortured their captives for fun and entertainment. They conducted genocidal wars against any of their neighbors they thought they could beat.

And, you would have been just like them if you had lived in that era as well, so quit deluding yourself that you have some sort of moral superiority to people from the past; you don't, and in fact are less moral, actually, as shown by your ridiculous posts here. Columbus was a paragon of virtue compared to the vast majority of 'native americans', and still is for that matter.

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. And poor Columbus was on the wrong side of not just capitalism, but of religion as well! Because of him, Christian missionaries preached the Gospel where it had never been before.

Someone had to pray over the murder of the natives that were enslaved by that great navigator, when he needed wealth to make it worth his christian time...

6. But, by and large, the most powerful weapon used against Columbus was an iteration of Leftism known as environmentalism.


At the heart of the charges against Chris the Leftist/environmentalists claimed:

a. the exploitation of the native population,

b. Judeo-Christian attitudes which placed man above nature, and

c. denying the 'noble savages' of their ability to live in harmony with Mother Earth.



7. An example of the juvenile myths passed off as science, by the Left:

" The ecological agenda is what many indigenous peoples believe can, and must, unite all peoples in 1992. That agenda calls for everyone to take aggressive action to stop the
destruction of the Earth, essentially to end the biological, technological, and ecological invasion/conquest that began with Columbus’ ill-fated voyage 500 years ago."
Winona LaDuke, "We Are Still Here", Sojourners, Vol 20, No 8, October 1991, p.16.


b. Even National Geographic jumped on that bandwagon: In ‘1491: America Before Columbus’, told its readers that Native Americans were closer to nature than we are, living in a more harmonious relationship with their environment.
Brandenburg, Jim, et al. "The Land They Knew: A Portfolio" (1491: America Before Columbus).National Geographic180, no. 4 (October 1991): 14-100.




The core of environmentalism is a hatred for mankind. They want mass infanticide, zero population growth, reduced standards of living, and vegetarianism.


"Liberal environmentalists admire the living situation of the earthworm and believe that humans should emulate it." Coulter





And to that bogus point about the intimate relationship between the Native Americans and the environment...

.....no human beings have been as destructive of their fauna and flora as the 'noble savages' were.

You are yet again showing your vindictive hypocrisy when you believe what happened was done in the good nature of Christians..
The natives did want to live without being conquered, but when you are building a christian empire someone must win and someone must lose.. yet you are anti-Papal ,,,and yet you support the Papal edict which bestowed the blessing of the church upon the lower human status of non-christian heathens, sorry, barbaric heathens....and their need to be dominated by white European xtians......

4. And poor Columbus was on the wrong side of not just capitalism, but of religion as well! Because of him, Christian missionaries preached the Gospel where it had never been before.

Someone had to pray over the murder of the natives that were enslaved by that great navigator, when he needed wealth to make it worth his christian time...

6. But, by and large, the most powerful weapon used against Columbus was an iteration of Leftism known as environmentalism.


At the heart of the charges against Chris the Leftist/environmentalists claimed:

a. the exploitation of the native population,

b. Judeo-Christian attitudes which placed man above nature, and

c. denying the 'noble savages' of their ability to live in harmony with Mother Earth.



7. An example of the juvenile myths passed off as science, by the Left:

" The ecological agenda is what many indigenous peoples believe can, and must, unite all peoples in 1992. That agenda calls for everyone to take aggressive action to stop the
destruction of the Earth, essentially to end the biological, technological, and ecological invasion/conquest that began with Columbus’ ill-fated voyage 500 years ago."
Winona LaDuke, "We Are Still Here", Sojourners, Vol 20, No 8, October 1991, p.16.


b. Even National Geographic jumped on that bandwagon: In ‘1491: America Before Columbus’, told its readers that Native Americans were closer to nature than we are, living in a more harmonious relationship with their environment.
Brandenburg, Jim, et al. "The Land They Knew: A Portfolio" (1491: America Before Columbus).National Geographic180, no. 4 (October 1991): 14-100.




The core of environmentalism is a hatred for mankind. They want mass infanticide, zero population growth, reduced standards of living, and vegetarianism.


"Liberal environmentalists admire the living situation of the earthworm and believe that humans should emulate it." Coulter





And to that bogus point about the intimate relationship between the Native Americans and the environment...

.....no human beings have been as destructive of their fauna and flora as the 'noble savages' were.

You are yet again showing your vindictive hypocrisy when you believe what happened was done in the good nature of Christians..
The natives did want to live without being conquered, but when you are building a christian empire someone must win and someone must lose.. yet you are anti-Papal ,,,and yet you support the Papal edict which bestowed the blessing of the church upon the lower human status of non-christian heathens, sorry, barbaric heathens....and their need to be dominated by white European xtians......

"....the lower human status of non-christian heathens, sorry, barbaric heathens."

It was an advance, at the very least, in terms of slaughter.


". ... the total number of lucky people who had their hearts cut out and sacrificed by the Aztecs is unknown. But historians are pretty sure that the number is somewhere between 300,000 and 1,500,000."
The Death Toll Comparison Breakdown - Wait But Why

 

[mudwhistle]

Liberalism happened to Chris.

1. Christopher Columbus suffers from the fate of all those who run counter to what ever the Left wishes to advance at the moment.




2. At the start, and for hundreds of years, Columbus was considered a hero, responsible for "...one small step for man,one giant leap for mankind."

The problem is that his endeavors, and praise thereof, were seen as proxy for the spirit of commerce, capitalism, and even of the greatness of America.


3. But Columbus' repute peaked by the end of the 19th century.....coincidentally, just when collectivism, Progressivism, began to gain momentum. One certainly shouldn't expect to see this kind of endorsement: the Columbian Exhibition in Chicago, 1893, announced that "1492 was not just an important historical date, but a turning point in the emancipation of mankind."
Royal, R., "1492 And All That: Political Manipulations of History," p.10.





4. And poor Columbus was on the wrong side of not just capitalism, but of religion as well! Because of him, Christian missionaries preached the Gospel where it had never been before.

a. There was even a movement for his canonisation. Although the Vatican would not agree to this Pope Leo XIII issued an encyclical, Quarto abeunte saeculo, which praised Columbus in the highest terms:
'For the exploit is in itself the highest and grandest which any age has ever seen accomplished by man; and he who achieved it, for the greatness of mind and heart, can be compared to but few in the history of humanity. The Pope especially commended Columbus for bringing Christianity to ‘a mighty multitude, cloaked in miserable darkness, given over to evil rites, and the superstitious worship of vain gods’
Quoted in Royal, Ibid, p.11.




5. Jump to the 1992 Quincentenary, a century into Progressive influence, and things looked very different for poor Chris.

a. All sorts of writings objected that he hadn't really discovered America! The Indians were here...and they weren't waiting around to be discovered.

b. Columbus and the Europeans were accused of exploiting the Indians, of brutally
mistreating and murdering them by the million, of infecting them with European diseases to which they had no resistance, and of making them slaves in their own country. Christopher Columbus stood accused of genocide. Russell Means of the American Indian Movement claimed that Columbus was worse than Hitler! http://cfbportal.schoolwires.net/cm...nstance/3193/colonization/WorldsCollide06.pdf

c. Even the churches turned on Columbus!
Even The US National Council of Churches issued a statement on the quincentenary in which advanced the bogus claim of ‘genocide.
transformcolumbusdayalliance



Columbus never rode on a bus....but he got thrown under it!

If Columbus had known that the natives he discovered would be subjected to genocide 300 years later.....he probably would have discovered some other country out of choice. But any rational person understands that we have no control over other people's actions when we've been dead for 280 years, give or take.

 

[gipper]

The Left loves to denigrate men like Columbus, but when was the last time you heard them denigrate men like Stalin or Mao.

Hypocritical...no?

 

[rightwinger]

The Left loves to denigrate men like Columbus, but when was the last time you heard them denigrate men like Stalin or Mao.

Hypocritical...no?

You forget Hitler

I don't remember the last time I heard someone from the left going on a rant about Hitler

 

[PoliticalChic]

Liberalism happened to Chris.

1. Christopher Columbus suffers from the fate of all those who run counter to what ever the Left wishes to advance at the moment.




2. At the start, and for hundreds of years, Columbus was considered a hero, responsible for "...one small step for man,one giant leap for mankind."

The problem is that his endeavors, and praise thereof, were seen as proxy for the spirit of commerce, capitalism, and even of the greatness of America.


3. But Columbus' repute peaked by the end of the 19th century.....coincidentally, just when collectivism, Progressivism, began to gain momentum. One certainly shouldn't expect to see this kind of endorsement: the Columbian Exhibition in Chicago, 1893, announced that "1492 was not just an important historical date, but a turning point in the emancipation of mankind."
Royal, R., "1492 And All That: Political Manipulations of History," p.10.





4. And poor Columbus was on the wrong side of not just capitalism, but of religion as well! Because of him, Christian missionaries preached the Gospel where it had never been before.

a. There was even a movement for his canonisation. Although the Vatican would not agree to this Pope Leo XIII issued an encyclical, Quarto abeunte saeculo, which praised Columbus in the highest terms:
'For the exploit is in itself the highest and grandest which any age has ever seen accomplished by man; and he who achieved it, for the greatness of mind and heart, can be compared to but few in the history of humanity. The Pope especially commended Columbus for bringing Christianity to ‘a mighty multitude, cloaked in miserable darkness, given over to evil rites, and the superstitious worship of vain gods’
Quoted in Royal, Ibid, p.11.




5. Jump to the 1992 Quincentenary, a century into Progressive influence, and things looked very different for poor Chris.

a. All sorts of writings objected that he hadn't really discovered America! The Indians were here...and they weren't waiting around to be discovered.

b. Columbus and the Europeans were accused of exploiting the Indians, of brutally
mistreating and murdering them by the million, of infecting them with European diseases to which they had no resistance, and of making them slaves in their own country. Christopher Columbus stood accused of genocide. Russell Means of the American Indian Movement claimed that Columbus was worse than Hitler! http://cfbportal.schoolwires.net/cm...nstance/3193/colonization/WorldsCollide06.pdf

c. Even the churches turned on Columbus!
Even The US National Council of Churches issued a statement on the quincentenary in which advanced the bogus claim of ‘genocide.
transformcolumbusdayalliance



Columbus never rode on a bus....but he got thrown under it!

If Columbus had known that the natives he discovered would be subjected to genocide 300 years later.....he probably would have discovered some other country out of choice. But any rational person understands that we have no control over other people's actions when we've been dead for 280 years, give or take.

Not the Indians that he discovered, nor any Indians of North America, were subject to genocide.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Left loves to denigrate men like Columbus, but when was the last time you heard them denigrate men like Stalin or Mao.

Hypocritical...no?

You forget Hitler

I don't remember the last time I heard someone from the left going on a rant about Hitler

Funny that you bring that up.

I'd guess that you were old enough to recall the excellent relations that Roosevelt had with Hitler and Mussolini.

1. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.

After all, they shared economic policies.

 

[gipper]

The Left loves to denigrate men like Columbus, but when was the last time you heard them denigrate men like Stalin or Mao.

Hypocritical...no?

You forget Hitler

I don't remember the last time I heard someone from the left going on a rant about Hitler

Damn Leftnutter, WTF?

The Left considers Hitler a right winger, even though he was a national SOCIALIST. They dump on Adolf all the time, but seldom do his like minded buddies Stalin and Mao.

Hypocritical no?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Left loves to denigrate men like Columbus, but when was the last time you heard them denigrate men like Stalin or Mao.

Hypocritical...no?

You forget Hitler

I don't remember the last time I heard someone from the left going on a rant about Hitler

Damn Leftnutter, WTF?

The Left considers Hitler a right winger, even though he was a national SOCIALIST. They dump on Adolf all the time, but seldom do his like minded buddies Stalin and Mao.

Hypocritical no?

Wait....you're asking the guy who lies in his avi if something is hypocritical???

 

[gipper]

The Left loves to denigrate men like Columbus, but when was the last time you heard them denigrate men like Stalin or Mao.

Hypocritical...no?

You forget Hitler

I don't remember the last time I heard someone from the left going on a rant about Hitler

Damn Leftnutter, WTF?

The Left considers Hitler a right winger, even though he was a national SOCIALIST. They dump on Adolf all the time, but seldom do his like minded buddies Stalin and Mao.
Hypocritical no?

Wait....you're asking the guy who lies in his avi if something is hypocritical???

Yeah it is a waste of time, but we do have to try to educate the uneducated.

 

[rightwinger]

The Left loves to denigrate men like Columbus, but when was the last time you heard them denigrate men like Stalin or Mao.

Hypocritical...no?

You forget Hitler

I don't remember the last time I heard someone from the left going on a rant about Hitler

Funny that you bring that up.

I'd guess that you were old enough to recall the excellent relations that Roosevelt had with Hitler and Mussolini.

1. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.

After all, they shared economic policies.

Winner, winner, Chicken Dinner!

I knew PC would eventually get around to turning a Columbus thread into an anti-FDR rant

 

[rightwinger]

The Left loves to denigrate men like Columbus, but when was the last time you heard them denigrate men like Stalin or Mao.

Hypocritical...no?

You forget Hitler

I don't remember the last time I heard someone from the left going on a rant about Hitler

Damn Leftnutter, WTF?

The Left considers Hitler a right winger, even though he was a national SOCIALIST. They dump on Adolf all the time, but seldom do his like minded buddies Stalin and Mao.

Hypocritical no?

Wait....you're asking the guy who lies in his avi if something is hypocritical???

Poor, poor Political Chic

She is still puzzled over whether I am actually Beaver Cleaver or not

 

[gipper]

The Left loves to denigrate men like Columbus, but when was the last time you heard them denigrate men like Stalin or Mao.

Hypocritical...no?

You forget Hitler

I don't remember the last time I heard someone from the left going on a rant about Hitler

Damn Leftnutter, WTF?

The Left considers Hitler a right winger, even though he was a national SOCIALIST. They dump on Adolf all the time, but seldom do his like minded buddies Stalin and Mao.

Hypocritical no?

Wait....you're asking the guy who lies in his avi if something is hypocritical???

Poor, poor Political Chic

She is still puzzled over whether I am actually Beaver Cleaver or not

Must you always resort to silliness, after getting destroyed in debate. I know it is your wont, but could you please try harder.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Left loves to denigrate men like Columbus, but when was the last time you heard them denigrate men like Stalin or Mao.

Hypocritical...no?

You forget Hitler

I don't remember the last time I heard someone from the left going on a rant about Hitler

Funny that you bring that up.

I'd guess that you were old enough to recall the excellent relations that Roosevelt had with Hitler and Mussolini.

1. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.

After all, they shared economic policies.

Winner, winner, Chicken Dinner!

I knew PC would eventually get around to turning a Columbus thread into an anti-FDR rant

Actually, Left-Liar, you wrote this in post #71...."You forget Hitler"


There aren't even six degrees of separation between Hitler and Roosevelt....two guys who operated concentration camps.....

How could I miss the opportunity you provided?



But I do like chicken.