What the........"F"

[Skull Pilot]

I have only stated that I am proud of my country. Why do Cons hate America??

Liberals hate America or so I've heard.... but I don't believe it..

Politicians on all sides are screwing us, my post was tri-partisan...

I have stood up for what my country has accomplished in 235 years. I consider this country to be the greatest in the history of the planet.
It is the right wing conservatives that yearn for an archaic system that is no longer relevant.

Why do you hate America?

so you're fine with the government getting exponentially larger and astronomically expensive?

right now the government is planning to stymie innovation and growth in the health care field. what other areas of industry will government want to slow down for the benefit of us all?

Government is eating up 45% of this country's GDP and everyone is in a tiff that health care is a mere 16% of GDP.

I submit to you that the government stifling of free enterprise with excessive regulation is what is holding us back.

Government confiscating an ever larger piece of our earnings is what's holding us back and stopping us from exercising our freedoms.

Government was intended to be only large enough to protect our rights and to let us make our own decisions within the framework of law designed to allow the maximum amount of freedom while protecting the individual's rights to make his own choices.

But we don't have that anymore do we? business owners can't hire and fire who they want. We are told that our personal choices will be liable to tax penalties. we are told that we must buy government approved this or that or else suffer the consequences of tax penalties and imprisonment.

Our liberties are eroding and it is not the fault of those who want smaller less intrusive less expensive government

 

[rightwinger]

Grump

Here is how I gauge it.

No country in the history of mankind has had as much power as the US and used it less. Look at Greece, Rome, England, Napoleonic France, Germany, Japan...all used their military might to dominate their region culturally, militarily and economically.

What did the US do after we conquered much of the world in WWII? Marshal Plan

How did we dominate the world culturally? Through force? No, through movies

Has any other nation in history opened its borders to citizens of all nations and offered them full citizenship?

Add to it our contributions in Science, technology, the arts, music......

Like I said, its not even close

Fair and good points all. I think the US has made huge contributions to the world - good and bad in many facets of society. For every Microsoft there's a McDonald's. Simplistic I know.

I'm talking, more on the ground living out your life. I absolutely feel I have more freedom here, and even more in my home country, than you seem to have there (note, I say seem).

Ask the French about what they think of the US impact on culture vis a vis movies...:lol:

You mean the French who gave us mimes and worship Jerry Lewis?

 

[California Girl]

Personally, I think those who are happy to hand yet more responsibility over to our government are those who don't want to take responsibility for themselves. That is not the country we were set up to be. Our founders framed our Constitution to be maximum individual freedom and minimal government control. We should be as close to anarchy, without actually allowing anarchy, as possible. That is how we are supposed to live.

Unfortunately, that means that each of us carries the burden of caring for ourselves and our families. What is so wrong with that?

Do you think Europeans really live better than we do? No, they don't. They have handed control over to their government, who in turn, created a new 'government' and handed sovereignty for each country over to this Union of theirs. They ditched their currencies for the Euro. They have obsessional rules and regulations. They bitch and whine but sit back and allow this 'nanny state' to run their lives with no say.

I'm not overly critical of Europe (except that I think it's a disgrace to take countries into a Union that it's citizens have not had the opportunity to vote on) but we are not Europe. We are America. The grass is not greener on this side of the pond. Let's not be like them, let's be their ally but not imitate them.

(Except the French: Gotta love the French - they get every penny out of the EU that they possibly can and completely ignore everything the EU says).

Hhhmmmmm....interesting points. Is the US truly more free than the EU? I mean, truly?

Currently, yes - we absolutely are. Give it a few years of the Obamanation and we can kiss the tattered remains of our freedom goodbye.

Personally, while I think there is much good about Europe - particularly England and France - I would be happier if we remained true to our own unique identity. I think we are becoming far too reliant on government to solve our problems.

 

[rightwinger]

Currently, yes - we absolutely are. Give it a few years of the Obamanation and we can kiss the tattered remains of our freedom goodbye.

Drama Queen

 

[noose4]

Ah, need some hints, unemployment, national debt, Wars, government expansion, taxes, falling dollar, home prices, credit card bubble, commercial real estate bubble, lack of government transparency... just to name a few

I'm sorry, if you feel I disrespected you...

and which of those problems are affecting you? even with the nation having these problems I sit here on my computer with high speed internet watching my 60" HD tv, life is pretty good even in tough times.

When it gets bad enough you will be effected too. No matter what higher taxes are coming. Regardless of your income you will be paying much higher taxes. I don't know what you mean--this hasn't effected you. Or is it possibly that you are a youngster--in school--on the internet--& have no interest in what is going on in this country.

If you are young--I am assuming you are--not working---then right now you are in debt before you get your first job to the tune of $120,000.00 on the INTEREST alone on the national debt. If you are in your 30's welcome to owing $138,000.00 in INTEREST alone on the national debt. And that figure is rising daily. This is without the cost of health care.

So enjoy it while you can--- You may be selling that 60" big screen T.V. to pay for all of this!

nope, and I gladly pay my taxes, I have no problem having to pay more when my nation is involved in 2 wars and social programs that help my fellow Americans in tough times need funding.

 

[noose4]

Ah, need some hints, unemployment, national debt, Wars, government expansion, taxes, falling dollar, home prices, credit card bubble, commercial real estate bubble, lack of government transparency... just to name a few

I'm sorry, if you feel I disrespected you...

and which of those problems are affecting you? even with the nation having these problems I sit here on my computer with high speed internet watching my 60" HD tv, life is pretty good even in tough times.

Note: I don't know you, and these things, I hope are not really what you are like, however I think you can get the point. Of course if I leave this last statement on the end of my post, where I initially wrote it, I will have made you quite angry, so I will move it to the top of my post so you will know that I am really not pointing to you, I am just using the term "you."

You clearly don't see what is really happening in America, but worse, you don't care. You ignore the hurt this country is enduring because you can sid back and not look. However, it is not good for millions in America, and they did not create the prolem. People like you, those who ignore the pain of people, but hide in the pleasure of their own pride and greed.

what street corner are you sleeping on?

 

[rightwinger]

and which of those problems are affecting you? even with the nation having these problems I sit here on my computer with high speed internet watching my 60" HD tv, life is pretty good even in tough times.

When it gets bad enough you will be effected too. No matter what higher taxes are coming. Regardless of your income you will be paying much higher taxes. I don't know what you mean--this hasn't effected you. Or is it possibly that you are a youngster--in school--on the internet--& have no interest in what is going on in this country.

If you are young--I am assuming you are--not working---then right now you are in debt before you get your first job to the tune of $120,000.00 on the INTEREST alone on the national debt. If you are in your 30's welcome to owing $138,000.00 in INTEREST alone on the national debt. And that figure is rising daily. This is without the cost of health care.

So enjoy it while you can--- You may be selling that 60" big screen T.V. to pay for all of this!

nope, and I gladly pay my taxes, I have no problem having to pay more when my nation is involved in 2 wars and social programs that help my fellow Americans in tough times need funding.

It tough having to pay taxes isn't it?
Paying for other peoples kids to go to school, paying for Veterans Benefits, roads, food for hungry children, a massive military, Social Security receipients....

So much easier just to say screw them all

 

[rightwinger]

What the hell has happened to the America our forefathers fought for? ...

The government is far to big as it is and people are standing by while is about to get a hell of a lot bigger, some are even fighting for it....

The government is taxing far to much and people are fighting to have them raised more.....

The government has far to much control over out daily lives and people want to give them more...

What the "F" is wrong with you people...?...

Which America was that?

The one where women had no rights? The one where Indians were chased out of their tribal land and slaughtered? The one which kept millions as slaves?

Yes the government has more of a role in our lives. At the time of our founding fathers, people lived into their 40's. There were no roads or bridges. There was no standing Army. No public hospitals, fire departments, ambulances. Most Americans couldn't read

I prefer the rights and privleges provided to Americans today

And you think the two America's are mutually exclusive?

I think it is naive to yearn for the Government of colonial America

 

[Si modo]

What the hell has happened to the America our forefathers fought for? ...

The government is far to big as it is and people are standing by while is about to get a hell of a lot bigger, some are even fighting for it....

The government is taxing far to much and people are fighting to have them raised more.....

The government has far to much control over out daily lives and people want to give them more...

What the "F" is wrong with you people...?...

Which America was that?

The one where women had no rights? The one where Indians were chased out of their tribal land and slaughtered? The one which kept millions as slaves?

Yes the government has more of a role in our lives. At the time of our founding fathers, people lived into their 40's. There were no roads or bridges. There was no standing Army. No public hospitals, fire departments, ambulances. Most Americans couldn't read

I prefer the rights and privleges provided to Americans today

And you think the two America's are mutually exclusive?

I think it is naive to yearn for the Government of colonial America

Once again: Do you think the two America's - the one Lumpy described and the one you did - are mutually exclusive?

 

[rightwinger]

And you think the two America's are mutually exclusive?

I think it is naive to yearn for the Government of colonial America

Once again: Do you think the two America's - the one Lumpy described and the one you did - are mutually exclusive?

Mutually exclusive ....NO
Evolution.....Yes

 

[amrchaos]

What the hell has happened to the America our forefathers fought for? ...

The government is far to big as it is and people are standing by while is about to get a hell of a lot bigger, some are even fighting for it....

The government is taxing far to much and people are fighting to have them raised more.....

The government has far to much control over out daily lives and people want to give them more...

What the "F" is wrong with you people...?...

Taxes.

I swear, if I had a penny for everytime a right winger mentioned taxes, I would have enough money to pay off the national debt--with added penalty fees and 50%interests added afterwards!! What are you planning to cut? Mot politicians do not say because they know that once you cut something other than taxes, their political life is cut--and yet you just want to talk about taxes. What department do you wish to remove funds from and/or eliminate. What "government spending policies" do you wish to eliminate.

Governance requires fund--can you think of another way to fund government without taxes? Stop being a diatribe and start thinking outside the box.

 

[Dr Grump]

Currently, yes - we absolutely are. Give it a few years of the Obamanation and we can kiss the tattered remains of our freedom goodbye.

Personally, while I think there is much good about Europe - particularly England and France - I would be happier if we remained true to our own unique identity. I think we are becoming far too reliant on government to solve our problems.

Oh, you do remain true to your own identity. The US has a lot more impact culturally on Europe than vice versa.

As for freedom, I don't think you are. Just my opinion. I think your political system is probably one of the worst in the western world. Although in saying that, I think you would have to compare country by country. A lot of Americans seem to lump Europe into one big conglomeration when nothing could be further from the truth. Try telling a Brit that he is culturally attached to a Frog or a Jerry.....or an Italian..

I think Europeans certainly have a more socialist bent, but that's not a bad thing IMO...

 

[Skull Pilot]

What the hell has happened to the America our forefathers fought for? ...

The government is far to big as it is and people are standing by while is about to get a hell of a lot bigger, some are even fighting for it....

The government is taxing far to much and people are fighting to have them raised more.....

The government has far to much control over out daily lives and people want to give them more...

What the "F" is wrong with you people...?...

Taxes.

I swear, if I had a penny for everytime a right winger mentioned taxes, I would have enough money to pay off the national debt--with added penalty fees and 50%interests added afterwards!! What are you planning to cut? Mot politicians do not say because they know that once you cut something other than taxes, their political life is cut--and yet you just want to talk about taxes. What department do you wish to remove funds from and/or eliminate. What "government spending policies" do you wish to eliminate.

Governance requires fund--can you think of another way to fund government without taxes? Stop being a diatribe and start thinking outside the box.

Cut every department of government not specifically mentioned in the constitution. eliminate all government czars and their staffs

reduce military spending by bringing home all of our troops stationed in foreign countries and post them on our borders. let the rest of the world fend for themselves for a while so we can get our own house in order.

transition to a system where people save 15% of their income in privately held accounts rather than letting the government use those funds

reduce government to a manageable 20-25% of GDP instead of the 45% it is now so as to leave more money in the hands of the people so they can make their own choices on how when and where to invest or spend it.

get the government out of our personal lives by eliminating all "sin" taxes that are nothing more than ham handed social engineering experiments.

it is an absolute crime that people pay more to the government in taxes annually than they spend on housing food and clothing combined.

since when did government become the pinnacle on the needs hierarchy?

 

[rightwinger]

What the hell has happened to the America our forefathers fought for? ...

The government is far to big as it is and people are standing by while is about to get a hell of a lot bigger, some are even fighting for it....

The government is taxing far to much and people are fighting to have them raised more.....

The government has far to much control over out daily lives and people want to give them more...

What the "F" is wrong with you people...?...

Taxes.

I swear, if I had a penny for everytime a right winger mentioned taxes, I would have enough money to pay off the national debt--with added penalty fees and 50%interests added afterwards!! What are you planning to cut? Mot politicians do not say because they know that once you cut something other than taxes, their political life is cut--and yet you just want to talk about taxes. What department do you wish to remove funds from and/or eliminate. What "government spending policies" do you wish to eliminate.

Governance requires fund--can you think of another way to fund government without taxes? Stop being a diatribe and start thinking outside the box.

Cut every department of government not specifically mentioned in the constitution. eliminate all government czars and their staffs

reduce military spending by bringing home all of our troops stationed in foreign countries and post them on our borders. let the rest of the world fend for themselves for a while so we can get our own house in order.

transition to a system where people save 15% of their income in privately held accounts rather than letting the government use those funds

reduce government to a manageable 20-25% of GDP instead of the 45% it is now so as to leave more money in the hands of the people so they can make their own choices on how when and where to invest or spend it.

get the government out of our personal lives by eliminating all "sin" taxes that are nothing more than ham handed social engineering experiments.

it is an absolute crime that people pay more to the government in taxes annually than they spend on housing food and clothing combined.

since when did government become the pinnacle on the needs hierarchy?

This is why right wing conservatives are not taken seriously. The concept that the America of 1776 is the same America today. This, "lets go back to the stone age" mentality is juvenile

 

[Skull Pilot]

Taxes.

I swear, if I had a penny for everytime a right winger mentioned taxes, I would have enough money to pay off the national debt--with added penalty fees and 50%interests added afterwards!! What are you planning to cut? Mot politicians do not say because they know that once you cut something other than taxes, their political life is cut--and yet you just want to talk about taxes. What department do you wish to remove funds from and/or eliminate. What "government spending policies" do you wish to eliminate.

Governance requires fund--can you think of another way to fund government without taxes? Stop being a diatribe and start thinking outside the box.

Cut every department of government not specifically mentioned in the constitution. eliminate all government czars and their staffs

reduce military spending by bringing home all of our troops stationed in foreign countries and post them on our borders. let the rest of the world fend for themselves for a while so we can get our own house in order.

transition to a system where people save 15% of their income in privately held accounts rather than letting the government use those funds

reduce government to a manageable 20-25% of GDP instead of the 45% it is now so as to leave more money in the hands of the people so they can make their own choices on how when and where to invest or spend it.

get the government out of our personal lives by eliminating all "sin" taxes that are nothing more than ham handed social engineering experiments.

it is an absolute crime that people pay more to the government in taxes annually than they spend on housing food and clothing combined.

since when did government become the pinnacle on the needs hierarchy?

This is why right wing conservatives are not taken seriously. The concept that the America of 1776 is the same America today. This, "lets go back to the stone age" mentality is juvenile

Back to the stone age?

If you equate living in a modern society with a bloated expensive government that is in the business of regulating every aspect of our lives and diminishing free choice and liberty by the day, then we must be modern indeed.

If people were free from the heavy hand of government, we would have more innovation not less.

Sure we hear all the platitudes from pols that they are sympathetic to small business and free enterprise but the tax policies and excessive regulation make it virtually impossible for average people to participate in free enterprise.

And BTW I am not a right wing anything. i am a liberal in the classical sense and a pragmatist in the political sense.

it is most often better to allow people the means to solve their own problems than to have a government agency impose a one size fits all solution on us all.

 

[Lumpy 1]

and which of those problems are affecting you? even with the nation having these problems I sit here on my computer with high speed internet watching my 60" HD tv, life is pretty good even in tough times.

When it gets bad enough you will be effected too. No matter what higher taxes are coming. Regardless of your income you will be paying much higher taxes. I don't know what you mean--this hasn't effected you. Or is it possibly that you are a youngster--in school--on the internet--& have no interest in what is going on in this country.

If you are young--I am assuming you are--not working---then right now you are in debt before you get your first job to the tune of $120,000.00 on the INTEREST alone on the national debt. If you are in your 30's welcome to owing $138,000.00 in INTEREST alone on the national debt. And that figure is rising daily. This is without the cost of health care.

So enjoy it while you can--- You may be selling that 60" big screen T.V. to pay for all of this!

nope, and I gladly pay my taxes, I have no problem having to pay more when my nation is involved in 2 wars and social programs that help my fellow Americans in tough times need funding.

It's bordering on unAmerican to love excessive taxes, at least bitch about it...sheezz.