what so bad about socialism

[EdwardBaiamonte]

... it requires social morals for free.

the liberal retard who speaks english as a 3rd language repeats gibberish ad infinitum.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Since Reagan, we have been heading on a Free Market path

of course and Obamacare is the perfect example!!

See why we have to be positive that liberalism is based in pure ignorance?? Is any other conclusion possible??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Socialism is NOT good.
Free Market Capitalism is NOT good.

socialism is not good, it slowly starved 120 million death
capitalism is very very good. It saved another 120 million from slowly starving to death and is now making them rich. Capitalism is saintly, a veritable miracle for sure.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

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What I'm trying to express is that in a Democratically Elected Representative Republic, the EXTREME of either ideology in practice will lead to the diametrically opposing ideology fighting back in an irrational manner.

care to tell us why you feel that way? I'm sure it will make as much sense as your idiocy about Obamacare being capitalism!!

Sorry, but you lack the IQ to be here.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

, most European nations have minimal H1-Bs whereas the US is inundated.

totally stupid liberal liar. 65,000 a year is not inundated, but 20 million illegals is.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Protectionism is already at work in Germany, Japan and, to some extent, in Israel, and as soon as enough people around the world in Democratic Republics vote for Socialized Welfare programs that their Middle Class cannot sustain, such as the US, people will support a Fair Trade candidate.

obviously ever growing fair trade wars would cause another Smoot Hawley Great Depression which is why even liberals like Obama and Krugman support free trade.

Golden Rule: If you have to make everything yourself you get poor and die. Conversely, the more with whom you trade the richer you get.

 

[Hossfly]

I really thought I would have more support than this. Liberal's don't like free stuff sir, but we don't like people so suffer, and we do want everyone living outside of poverty, and enjoying there lives. I encourage anyone with very different views to please google happiest countries in the world, and see the results. Then spend some time looking that there politics, benefits, and rights... You might be surprised what you find.

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I've been to every one of those countries in the past 58 years and none of them have any thing on Uncle Sams patch of ground. Any of their residents would rather be here than there.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever been outside of the United States?

What's your major problem? I've been to more than 40 countries, lived in 5 countries from one to eight years so I have plenty of first hand knowledge. Get a life, Gomer.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I really thought I would have more support than this. Liberal's don't like free stuff sir, but we don't like people so suffer, and we do want everyone living outside of poverty, and enjoying there lives. I encourage anyone with very different views to please google happiest countries in the world, and see the results. Then spend some time looking that there politics, benefits, and rights... You might be surprised what you find.

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I guess our Founders forgot that in the Constitution: Do a survey to find the happiest country on earth and copy them!!

I wonder how happy Switzerland would be if they were a major industrial country that developed 70% of the world's high tech patents, was the worlds policeman fighting ISIS and others, and had 20 million illegals flooding across their borders rather than being a tiny tax haven country in the mountains.

 

[NoNukes]

I really thought I would have more support than this. Liberal's don't like free stuff sir, but we don't like people so suffer, and we do want everyone living outside of poverty, and enjoying there lives. I encourage anyone with very different views to please google happiest countries in the world, and see the results. Then spend some time looking that there politics, benefits, and rights... You might be surprised what you find.

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I've been to every one of those countries in the past 58 years and none of them have any thing on Uncle Sams patch of ground. Any of their residents would rather be here than there.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever been outside of the United States?

Yes, I have. Been all through Europe. It's not the US. Not saying Europe is bad.... They are a million times better than India, or some other 3rd world country. But comparing the EU to the US... US. By far.

That would be known as an opinion. Having lived in both, I much prefer Europe., there is no comparison.

 

[Andylusion]

Germany has pretty powerful unions.
If their corporations went as hog wild using foreign labor and importing from China as the US, their level of "Protectionism" would increase in like manner.
For instance, most European nations have minimal H1-Bs whereas the US is inundated.

Huh? What the heck are you talking about? The truth is the complete opposite of what you just said, in both cases.

Germany imports more manufactured goods from China, than anywhere else in the world. The only other country they import more from, would be Norway, and that is ONLY because Norway is their primary source of oil and petroleum products.

They import vehicle parts, motorcycles, cars, bikes, trucks and trailers. They import computers and electronic equipment. They import tires and plastic product, medical supplies, and on and on.

And again, they have lower tariffs in Germany, than we do.

So this idea that they are not outsourcing to China, and they are not importing tons of manufactured goods, you are crazy. You are nuts. Not true, not a fact. They are importing TONS from China. Number one trading partner if you exclude oil sources.

Moreover, Germany is actively trying to attract as many immigrant workers as they can, and are specifically targeting high-skilled labor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/w...s-a-booming-germany-woos-immigrants.html?_r=0 high-skilled labor.

Ms. Torres, 24, said she loved living without fear of the violence that was a daily threat in her hometown, Veracruz, Mexico. And Germany, she said, has done much to make her family feel welcome. Her husband, who spoke German before they arrived, is here on a scholarship program that Germany runs to encourage bright foreigners to study in the country. The program entitles Ms. Torres to learn German at no cost and could yield permission for her family to stay for good.​

Look, a Mexican in Germany, specifically because of a program for immigrants to take high-skill jobs.

Do you people just MAKE UP crap, and think none of us will fact jack your lying fifthly posts?

Opinion is one thing... even saying "well I think..." is one thing. But to state the absolute exact opposite of what is true..... cut the crap dude. You are not fooling anyone.

 

[Andylusion]

I really thought I would have more support than this. Liberal's don't like free stuff sir, but we don't like people so suffer, and we do want everyone living outside of poverty, and enjoying there lives. I encourage anyone with very different views to please google happiest countries in the world, and see the results. Then spend some time looking that there politics, benefits, and rights... You might be surprised what you find.

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I've been to every one of those countries in the past 58 years and none of them have any thing on Uncle Sams patch of ground. Any of their residents would rather be here than there.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever been outside of the United States?

Yes, I have. Been all through Europe. It's not the US. Not saying Europe is bad.... They are a million times better than India, or some other 3rd world country. But comparing the EU to the US... US. By far.

That would be known as an opinion. Having lived in both, I much prefer Europe., there is no comparison.

Well.... it's not necessarily opinion. Opinion is what you would prefer. Comparing the US to the EU, is not opinion. It's a fact.

People live in much much smaller homes. People can't afford nice cars in the EU. I know... I've been there... I know people who live there right now. You can't afford a car like we can here in the US. Nor can you have the same level of electrical useage. You simply can't afford it.

When we're paying $2.50 for a gallon of gas, they are paying $7 to $10 a gallon. I've been there. The price is insane. It's why they drive tiny little 3-wheeled crap cars.

The UK is the closest to the US in terms of quality of car, but even then... compare the top 5 US vehicles to top 5 UK vehicles.

F-Series Truck
Chevy Silverado
Toyota Camry
Ram Pickup
Toyota Corolla

UK top 10....

Ford Fiesta...?
Vauxhall Corsa??? 3-cyclinder 70 HP. Dude, I've used lawn mowers that had more power than that, literally.
Ford Focus?!?
VW Golf... almost respectable... except it isn't even the same car sold here in America. Want to amuse yourself? Look up the specs at the VW web site for a VW golf in the UK, and compare it to the specs at the VW web site in the US. The US Golf starts off with a 1.8L Engine. 170 HP. From there, you go UP to a 200 HP 4L engine.

The VW Golf in the UK, starts off with a 1.2L 85 HP engine. oooooo... Again, I've driven motorcycles with more power than that. If you really want to bump up the performance, you can get a .... 1.6L Diesel engine maxing out at 110 HP. When I was in high school, I had a Chevy Lumina that had more power than your 'top-of-the-line' VW Golf.

UK's "high performance" car, is worse than our bottom of the line car.

Now again, compared to the rest of the world, the UK is driving luxury cars. Compared to the US... no, not so much. I would not trade my Grand Marquis for any of your tiny midget mobiles. My Grand Marquis is to the average UK citizen, the same as a Bentley is to me. Can't afford it.

And the same is true of many other aspects. For example, I know all about how the vast majority of UK citizens dry their clothes by hanging them on rope... inside their homes. Which again, are a fraction the size of the average US home.

Why do they dry clothes by hanging them on ropes? Because they can't afford to dry them in a drier. The cost of driers is way higher in the UK, but the real killer is the price of electricity which is more than double US prices.

I know this, again, because I've seen it with my eyes, and I have friends that live there now (stationed at military bases but living off base), and they say as much.

Now you may still prefer it, and more power to you, but from an economic perspective, the UK is not up to the standard of living as the US, no matter how you cut it.

 

[danielpalos]

... it requires social morals for free.

the liberal retard who speaks english as a 3rd language repeats gibberish ad infinitum.

no social morals for free; i got it.

 

[NoNukes]

I really thought I would have more support than this. Liberal's don't like free stuff sir, but we don't like people so suffer, and we do want everyone living outside of poverty, and enjoying there lives. I encourage anyone with very different views to please google happiest countries in the world, and see the results. Then spend some time looking that there politics, benefits, and rights... You might be surprised what you find.

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I've been to every one of those countries in the past 58 years and none of them have any thing on Uncle Sams patch of ground. Any of their residents would rather be here than there.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever been outside of the United States?

What's your major problem? I've been to more than 40 countries, lived in 5 countries from one to eight years so I have plenty of first hand knowledge. Get a life, Gomer.

If this were true, you would not be so ignorant as to say that everyone wants to live in the United States.

 

[NoNukes]

I really thought I would have more support than this. Liberal's don't like free stuff sir, but we don't like people so suffer, and we do want everyone living outside of poverty, and enjoying there lives. I encourage anyone with very different views to please google happiest countries in the world, and see the results. Then spend some time looking that there politics, benefits, and rights... You might be surprised what you find.

View attachment 45824

I've been to every one of those countries in the past 58 years and none of them have any thing on Uncle Sams patch of ground. Any of their residents would rather be here than there.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever been outside of the United States?

Yes, I have. Been all through Europe. It's not the US. Not saying Europe is bad.... They are a million times better than India, or some other 3rd world country. But comparing the EU to the US... US. By far.

That would be known as an opinion. Having lived in both, I much prefer Europe., there is no comparison.

Well.... it's not necessarily opinion. Opinion is what you would prefer. Comparing the US to the EU, is not opinion. It's a fact.

People live in much much smaller homes. People can't afford nice cars in the EU. I know... I've been there... I know people who live there right now. You can't afford a car like we can here in the US. Nor can you have the same level of electrical useage. You simply can't afford it.

When we're paying $2.50 for a gallon of gas, they are paying $7 to $10 a gallon. I've been there. The price is insane. It's why they drive tiny little 3-wheeled crap cars.

The UK is the closest to the US in terms of quality of car, but even then... compare the top 5 US vehicles to top 5 UK vehicles.

F-Series Truck
Chevy Silverado
Toyota Camry
Ram Pickup
Toyota Corolla

UK top 10....

Ford Fiesta...?
Vauxhall Corsa??? 3-cyclinder 70 HP. Dude, I've used lawn mowers that had more power than that, literally.
Ford Focus?!?
VW Golf... almost respectable... except it isn't even the same car sold here in America. Want to amuse yourself? Look up the specs at the VW web site for a VW golf in the UK, and compare it to the specs at the VW web site in the US. The US Golf starts off with a 1.8L Engine. 170 HP. From there, you go UP to a 200 HP 4L engine.

The VW Golf in the UK, starts off with a 1.2L 85 HP engine. oooooo... Again, I've driven motorcycles with more power than that. If you really want to bump up the performance, you can get a .... 1.6L Diesel engine maxing out at 110 HP. When I was in high school, I had a Chevy Lumina that had more power than your 'top-of-the-line' VW Golf.

UK's "high performance" car, is worse than our bottom of the line car.

Now again, compared to the rest of the world, the UK is driving luxury cars. Compared to the US... no, not so much. I would not trade my Grand Marquis for any of your tiny midget mobiles. My Grand Marquis is to the average UK citizen, the same as a Bentley is to me. Can't afford it.

And the same is true of many other aspects. For example, I know all about how the vast majority of UK citizens dry their clothes by hanging them on rope... inside their homes. Which again, are a fraction the size of the average US home.

Why do they dry clothes by hanging them on ropes? Because they can't afford to dry them in a drier. The cost of driers is way higher in the UK, but the real killer is the price of electricity which is more than double US prices.

I know this, again, because I've seen it with my eyes, and I have friends that live there now (stationed at military bases but living off base), and they say as much.

Now you may still prefer it, and more power to you, but from an economic perspective, the UK is not up to the standard of living as the US, no matter how you cut it.

I live in Europe and we readily afford all of these things. And the main point is that the quality of living is much higher, and other things such as I do not have to worry about my kids getting shot at school.
As far as cars, you see so many Mercedes and BMWs that it in not funny.

 

[Andylusion]

I've been to every one of those countries in the past 58 years and none of them have any thing on Uncle Sams patch of ground. Any of their residents would rather be here than there.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Have you ever been outside of the United States?

Yes, I have. Been all through Europe. It's not the US. Not saying Europe is bad.... They are a million times better than India, or some other 3rd world country. But comparing the EU to the US... US. By far.

That would be known as an opinion. Having lived in both, I much prefer Europe., there is no comparison.

Well.... it's not necessarily opinion. Opinion is what you would prefer. Comparing the US to the EU, is not opinion. It's a fact.

People live in much much smaller homes. People can't afford nice cars in the EU. I know... I've been there... I know people who live there right now. You can't afford a car like we can here in the US. Nor can you have the same level of electrical useage. You simply can't afford it.

When we're paying $2.50 for a gallon of gas, they are paying $7 to $10 a gallon. I've been there. The price is insane. It's why they drive tiny little 3-wheeled crap cars.

The UK is the closest to the US in terms of quality of car, but even then... compare the top 5 US vehicles to top 5 UK vehicles.

F-Series Truck
Chevy Silverado
Toyota Camry
Ram Pickup
Toyota Corolla

UK top 10....

Ford Fiesta...?
Vauxhall Corsa??? 3-cyclinder 70 HP. Dude, I've used lawn mowers that had more power than that, literally.
Ford Focus?!?
VW Golf... almost respectable... except it isn't even the same car sold here in America. Want to amuse yourself? Look up the specs at the VW web site for a VW golf in the UK, and compare it to the specs at the VW web site in the US. The US Golf starts off with a 1.8L Engine. 170 HP. From there, you go UP to a 200 HP 4L engine.

The VW Golf in the UK, starts off with a 1.2L 85 HP engine. oooooo... Again, I've driven motorcycles with more power than that. If you really want to bump up the performance, you can get a .... 1.6L Diesel engine maxing out at 110 HP. When I was in high school, I had a Chevy Lumina that had more power than your 'top-of-the-line' VW Golf.

UK's "high performance" car, is worse than our bottom of the line car.

Now again, compared to the rest of the world, the UK is driving luxury cars. Compared to the US... no, not so much. I would not trade my Grand Marquis for any of your tiny midget mobiles. My Grand Marquis is to the average UK citizen, the same as a Bentley is to me. Can't afford it.

And the same is true of many other aspects. For example, I know all about how the vast majority of UK citizens dry their clothes by hanging them on rope... inside their homes. Which again, are a fraction the size of the average US home.

Why do they dry clothes by hanging them on ropes? Because they can't afford to dry them in a drier. The cost of driers is way higher in the UK, but the real killer is the price of electricity which is more than double US prices.

I know this, again, because I've seen it with my eyes, and I have friends that live there now (stationed at military bases but living off base), and they say as much.

Now you may still prefer it, and more power to you, but from an economic perspective, the UK is not up to the standard of living as the US, no matter how you cut it.

I live in Europe and we readily afford all of these things. And the main point is that the quality of living is much higher, and other things such as I do not have to worry about my kids getting shot at school.
As far as cars, you see so many Mercedes and BMWs that it in not funny.

Again, I've been to Europe. I know there are BMWs, but they are crap BMWs. Not the quality BMWs we have here. Same with Mercedes. When I climb into the right hand side, and put my foot on the gas, and it takes off like a slug crawling on jello.... it's not the same. When I look around and see barely enough room for two people, let alone 6 people and a full trunk to put all their luggage in.... it's not the same.

Mecedes is the same as well. Take the E-Class coupe. The entry level E-Class in the UK is £39,310, which is $61K in USD. Comes with a tiny little 4-banger 170 HP engine. In the US, the entry E-Class coupe, is $55K and come with a 329 HP Turbo V-6.

So lower price, better car, here in the US.

By the way, the top is is equally better. UK $77K for a 333 HP V-6, and the UK $60K for a 400 HP V-8.

Less money, better car, here in the US.

You can take any, as in ANY, UK vehicle, and compare it to the US equivalent, and the US car is larger.... faster... bigger... and cheaper... than the UK version.

I haven't met anyone that worries about their kids getting shot at school.

There are 100,000 schools in the US (roughly). How many instances of school shootings have there been in the last 10 years, compared to how many schools there are?

Not exactly huge. You morons claim the right-wing is slave to the media, and then you yourselves watch boob tube, and are convinced now that there is a school shooting every other Friday.

Do we have a crime problem? Yes. But then, so do you.

U.K. Gun Curbs Mean More Violence Yet Fewer Deaths Than in U.S.

You actually have more violence in the UK, than we do in the US.

Not exactly a Utopia vision I wish to embrace. Do we need to change some things to lower homicide rates? Sure. But our people are not willing to do it.

Does that mean the UK is a crime ridden cesspool? No. Again, I have no problem with the UK, none at all. If for some reason I was compelled to live there, I would be more than happy to do so. This isn't a "UK sucks, US awesome" post. Not my point.

UK is a nice place to live. No doubt. I'm just saying from an economic perspective, we have it better. The US is better overall. It just is. Opinion, yeah... maybe you would prefer the UK. Fine. But factually, the US is better.

 

[Abishai100]

"Marketing Margin"

Imagine a diplomatic conference held for the Special Olympics in Canada.

Socialists have difficulty!

 

[danielpalos]

... nothing, the Right just likes to complain about the equality of also bailing out the least wealthy.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I live in Europe and we readily afford all of these things.

Europe is very poor compared to the USA. France for example, has the per capita
income of Arkansas, about our poorest state. Without American inventions Europe would be even far further behind in their standard of living.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And the main point is that the quality of living is much higher,

Europe is an embarrassment. Its the old world. We created it after WW2 and maintain to this day. They are depressed and don't reproduced and have a low standard of living based in American inventions.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

... nothing, the Right just likes to complain about the equality of also bailing out the least wealthy.

Trillions spent to eliminate poverty....poverty higher than before.
Why would anyone complain about such a huge liberal disaster?