What passes for Republican Science

[CrusaderFrank]

Your proposition that a wisp of CO2 is: melting the ice caps, making the oceans rise, turning the oceans to acid and starting forest fires, is just plain fucking stupid and self-ridicules

Are you denying that the oceans are being destroyed by mankind?

Yes, absolutely! There's not a chance that it works as proposed by the Warmers

 

[flacaltenn]

Your proposition that a wisp of CO2 is: melting the ice caps, making the oceans rise, turning the oceans to acid and starting forest fires, is just plain fucking stupid and self-ridicules

Are you denying that the oceans are being destroyed by mankind?

We should be monitoring the health of the oceans, not leaping to conclusions.. Ocean Acidification is the BEST and scariest reason that the "warmers" now have. Much more scarier than 1.4degC. I am somewhat concerned about the cause of PH change.

But there are at LEAST 4 other legitimate reasons for decreasing PH and THESE should be considered also.. The oceans GENERATE and SINK 12 times the amount of CO2 that man is contributing every year and is a HUGE reservoir of CO2 from NATURAL causes. We don't even accurately know the natural PH fluctations at the shallow ocean shelves and reefs adequately enough to PROJECT any damage from the observed change.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Your proposition that a wisp of CO2 is: melting the ice caps, making the oceans rise, turning the oceans to acid and starting forest fires, is just plain fucking stupid and self-ridicules

Are you denying that the oceans are being destroyed by mankind?

We should be monitoring the health of the oceans, not leaping to conclusions.. Ocean Acidification is the BEST and scariest reason that the "warmers" now have. Much more scarier than 1.4degC. I am somewhat concerned about the cause of PH change.

But there are at LEAST 4 other legitimate reasons for decreasing PH and THESE should be considered also.. The oceans GENERATE and SINK 12 times the amount of CO2 that man is contributing every year and is a HUGE reservoir of CO2 from NATURAL causes. We don't even accurately know the natural PH fluctations at the shallow ocean shelves and reefs adequately enough to PROJECT any damage from the observed change.

...all we can say for certain is that manmade global warming is to blame

 

[Dr.Drock]

Before I scroll through the 7 pages, are there actually people who believe in Obamanomics trying to play the smarter than thou card with regards to science?

 

[Avatar4321]

Before I scroll through the 7 pages, are there actually people who believe in Obamanomics trying to play the smarter than thou card with regards to science?

Yes.

Of course, these are the same people that argue that the tempature going both up and down is evidence that the planet is warming.

 

[Chris]

Republicans hate science because science involves facts.

They prefer mythology.

 

[Peach]

Exposed: The terrifying harassment faced by climate change scientists - The Week

In a sprawling new story in Popular Science, Tom Clynes takes an in-depth look at the seedy but influential range of people who take it upon themselves to make life a living hell for climate-change researchers.

1. Harassment is routine
Climate-change deniers often threaten scientists in attempts to distract them from their research — and the harassment goes beyond nasty emails. One climate modeler describes finding "a dead rat on his doorstep" with "a yellow Hummer speeding away

2. Political associations don't matter
For Katharine Hayhoe, an atmospheric scientist, political conservative, and evangelical Christian, her work can be as thankless as it is taxing — even from her own party. In 2007, Rush Limbaugh discovered her contributions to a book co-authored by Newt Gingrich and ridiculed her as a "climate babe." Following the backlash, Gingrich dropped her chapter on global warming entirely.

3. Research is often stifled by legal action
"Those crude acts of harassment often come alongside more-sophisticated legal and political attacks," says Clynes. Climate change skeptics regularly file lawsuits and Freedom of Information Act requests to disrupt ongoing research. "In 2005, before dragging Mann and other climate researchers into congressional hearings, Texas congressman Joe Barton ordered the scientists to submit voluminous details of working procedures, computer programs and past funding,

4. Efforts to ruffle scientists are increasingly sophisticated
It's not "a bunch of crazy people" fighting against us, says Mann. "These efforts to discredit science are well-organized." "There's really only about 25 of us doing this," says Steve Milloy, a Fox News commentator and self-described "denier." He calls the core group of skeptics "a ragtag bunch, very Continental Army." The deniers often target scientists who speak up publicly, offering bounties to anyone willing to make their lives difficult. In one instance, Milloy offered $500 for anyone

5. Anti-climate change advocacy is well-funded
Following the Kyoto Protocol on global warming in 1998, the American Petroleum Institute put together a $5.9 million task force (which included Milloy) charged with discrediting climate change science to "quash growing public support of curbing emissions."

Hello from Florida! Two TS before June ended, and 3 of the 4 named storms began NORTH of standard for June. PLUS, we hit the fourth TS at the earliest date known. More strange coincidences.................................from drought to deluge in record time......................

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Exposed: The terrifying harassment faced by climate change scientists - The Week

In a sprawling new story in Popular Science, Tom Clynes takes an in-depth look at the seedy but influential range of people who take it upon themselves to make life a living hell for climate-change researchers.

1. Harassment is routine
Climate-change deniers often threaten scientists in attempts to distract them from their research — and the harassment goes beyond nasty emails. One climate modeler describes finding "a dead rat on his doorstep" with "a yellow Hummer speeding away

2. Political associations don't matter
For Katharine Hayhoe, an atmospheric scientist, political conservative, and evangelical Christian, her work can be as thankless as it is taxing — even from her own party. In 2007, Rush Limbaugh discovered her contributions to a book co-authored by Newt Gingrich and ridiculed her as a "climate babe." Following the backlash, Gingrich dropped her chapter on global warming entirely.

3. Research is often stifled by legal action
"Those crude acts of harassment often come alongside more-sophisticated legal and political attacks," says Clynes. Climate change skeptics regularly file lawsuits and Freedom of Information Act requests to disrupt ongoing research. "In 2005, before dragging Mann and other climate researchers into congressional hearings, Texas congressman Joe Barton ordered the scientists to submit voluminous details of working procedures, computer programs and past funding,

4. Efforts to ruffle scientists are increasingly sophisticated
It's not "a bunch of crazy people" fighting against us, says Mann. "These efforts to discredit science are well-organized." "There's really only about 25 of us doing this," says Steve Milloy, a Fox News commentator and self-described "denier." He calls the core group of skeptics "a ragtag bunch, very Continental Army." The deniers often target scientists who speak up publicly, offering bounties to anyone willing to make their lives difficult. In one instance, Milloy offered $500 for anyone

5. Anti-climate change advocacy is well-funded
Following the Kyoto Protocol on global warming in 1998, the American Petroleum Institute put together a $5.9 million task force (which included Milloy) charged with discrediting climate change science to "quash growing public support of curbing emissions."

Hello from Florida! Two TS before June ended, and 3 of the 4 named storms began NORTH of standard for June. PLUS, we hit the fourth TS at the earliest date known. More strange coincidences.................................from drought to deluge in record time......................

Quick, turn off all your lights and sell your car!

 

[blackhawk]

The real problem the climate change people have is they can't find one theory and stick to it. First we had global warming then when we had record settings winters they changed it to global cooling then the record heat came back and since global warming had already been used they had to go with climate change. What catchy new name will they use when mother nature debunks climate change?

 

[Peach]

Exposed: The terrifying harassment faced by climate change scientists - The Week

In a sprawling new story in Popular Science, Tom Clynes takes an in-depth look at the seedy but influential range of people who take it upon themselves to make life a living hell for climate-change researchers.

1. Harassment is routine
Climate-change deniers often threaten scientists in attempts to distract them from their research — and the harassment goes beyond nasty emails. One climate modeler describes finding "a dead rat on his doorstep" with "a yellow Hummer speeding away

2. Political associations don't matter
For Katharine Hayhoe, an atmospheric scientist, political conservative, and evangelical Christian, her work can be as thankless as it is taxing — even from her own party. In 2007, Rush Limbaugh discovered her contributions to a book co-authored by Newt Gingrich and ridiculed her as a "climate babe." Following the backlash, Gingrich dropped her chapter on global warming entirely.

3. Research is often stifled by legal action
"Those crude acts of harassment often come alongside more-sophisticated legal and political attacks," says Clynes. Climate change skeptics regularly file lawsuits and Freedom of Information Act requests to disrupt ongoing research. "In 2005, before dragging Mann and other climate researchers into congressional hearings, Texas congressman Joe Barton ordered the scientists to submit voluminous details of working procedures, computer programs and past funding,

4. Efforts to ruffle scientists are increasingly sophisticated
It's not "a bunch of crazy people" fighting against us, says Mann. "These efforts to discredit science are well-organized." "There's really only about 25 of us doing this," says Steve Milloy, a Fox News commentator and self-described "denier." He calls the core group of skeptics "a ragtag bunch, very Continental Army." The deniers often target scientists who speak up publicly, offering bounties to anyone willing to make their lives difficult. In one instance, Milloy offered $500 for anyone

5. Anti-climate change advocacy is well-funded
Following the Kyoto Protocol on global warming in 1998, the American Petroleum Institute put together a $5.9 million task force (which included Milloy) charged with discrediting climate change science to "quash growing public support of curbing emissions."

Hello from Florida! Two TS before June ended, and 3 of the 4 named storms began NORTH of standard for June. PLUS, we hit the fourth TS at the earliest date known. More strange coincidences.................................from drought to deluge in record time......................

Quick, turn off all your lights and sell your car!

ALSO, announced recently, a hot zone of 180 miles off the Atlantic coast. I conserve, walking when you can helps keep the blubber away. And chilling the house to 75 degrees in a Florida summer is ridiculous, if one cannot stand warm weather, leave FLORIDA.

 

[tjvh]

Hello from Florida! Two TS before June ended, and 3 of the 4 named storms began NORTH of standard for June. PLUS, we hit the fourth TS at the earliest date known. More strange coincidences.................................from drought to deluge in record time......................

Quick, turn off all your lights and sell your car!

ALSO, announced recently, a hot zone of 180 miles off the Atlantic coast. I conserve, walking when you can helps keep the blubber away. And chilling the house to 75 degrees in a Florida summer is ridiculous, if one cannot stand warm weather, leave FLORIDA.

Not only are YOU telling people what temperature they can set THEIR Air Conditioners at, you are telling them "if they don't like it to leave". Who are you again? I've always had a problem with people who "only" conserve "part of the time"... It seems to me, if you have a problem with big Oil (an example) you should give up driving your car, rather than pretend outrage, in between fill-ups.

 

[Seawytch]

I've got an idea, get all outside influence from lobbyists OUT of our political system & let the science speak for itself.

 

[Si modo]

I've got an idea, get all outside influence from lobbyists OUT of our political system & let the science speak for itself.

Interesting that you tie those together.

KISS: Stop politicizing science. Period.

Just stop.

 

[buckeye45_73]

I've got an idea, get all outside influence from lobbyists OUT of our political system & let the science speak for itself.

As long as that includes environmental crazies

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Geological cycles. We're but a pinprick.

What geological cycle is increasing the concentration of GHGs in the atmosphere?

Human activites contribute slightly to greenhouse gas concentrations through farming, manufacturing, power generation, and transportation. However, these emissions are so dwarfed in comparison to emissions from natural sources we can do nothing about, that even the most costly efforts to limit human emissions would have a very small-- perhaps undetectable-- effect on global climate.

Water vapor, the most significant greenhouse gas, comes from natural sources and is responsible for roughly 95% of the greenhouse effect. Among climatologists this is common knowledge but among special interests, certain governmental groups, and news reporters this fact is under-emphasized or just ignored altogether.


Water vapor is 99% of natural origin. Other atmospheric greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, and miscellaneous other gases (CFC's, etc.), are also mostly of natural origin, except for the latter, which is mostly anthropogenic.

 

[bripat9643]

It is what passes for science within the Grand Old Party

Republicans can't counter with data of their own and with 92% of scientists agreeing with global warming they have to do something. So they fall back on their usual tactic of harrassment, threats and intimidation to get their way

Science is not done by consensus.

Shitbags like you soil it. Let science do what it does best - science.

Hacks like you getting involve simply ruin it. YOU and your likes are enemies of science.

Are people that are sending anthrax scares to scientists letting "science do what it does best"?

What do crackpots who instigate Anthrax scares have to do with legitimate criticism of global warming hocus-pocus?

 

[rdean]

6%

what do you expect?​

 

[bripat9643]

As long as the Oil and Gas lobby has undue influence over our legislators, Climate Science is going to be political.

Science will be political so long as "scientists" are sucking on the government tit.

 

[Chris]

The real problem the climate change people have is they can't find one theory and stick to it. First we had global warming then when we had record settings winters they changed it to global cooling then the record heat came back and since global warming had already been used they had to go with climate change. What catchy new name will they use when mother nature debunks climate change?

None of that is true.

The climate has been warming fairly consistently for 100 years.

 

[Chris]

As long as the Oil and Gas lobby has undue influence over our legislators, Climate Science is going to be political.

Science will be political so long as "scientists" are sucking on the government tit.

Not true.

There is nothing a scientist wouldn't like more than proving another scientist wrong.

You really don't know any scientists, do you?