What is the scope of your religious freedom as a business?

[Asclepias]

If you have a close family member or friend who is LGBT - do you patronize businesses that don't serve them? I don't.

What businesses do not serve LGBT patrons?

Here is one guy.

Indiana Business Owner Claims He Will Now Openly Discriminate Against Gays And Lesbians

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Has our country reached a point where business can now serve moral judgement on its customers?

From your perspective as a totalitarian thug, dedicated to eradicating all individual rights and freedom, let me ask you;

Say there is a very talented cake decorator who is unemployed and looking for a job. A gay baker hears of this person, and orders him to come work at his bakery. The decorator refuses, stating that he won't work for a queer.

Should the law force the decorator to work for the baker? Should the baker be able to sue the decorator for refusing to work for him?

Back when

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction

was the law of the land, this was simple - now that you have repealed that law, it is murky.You democrats have always promoted slavery. You have shown that involuntary servitude is now a part of our nation, that homosexuals are a superior segment that own all others who must serve them without question. So given that the baker is gay, then should he be required to pay his slave?

But you tried.....So HARD

You, of course, have it backwards

A gay baker can work for anyone he chooses
An employer can't say...I will not hire you because you are a gay baker

Actually, in most areas, without union protection, employers can pretty much hire and fire for any reason they want and people have been fired for being gay. Some years back, people were fired for smoking on their own time and far away from their place of work.

The right wants big government and the more invasive, the better.

 

[bendog]

(patiently)

Many religions consider homosexuality immoral.

And also forbid people to encourage immorality.

Their not encouraging it if the people are gay before they come into the bakery.

Isn't divorce considered immoral in a lot of religions too?

I bet these so pious bakers have no problem baking a wedding cake for some divorced sinners second marriage

Do you see the problem yet?

The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.

Exactly, Marty. And that's what my moved thread on the donkey was intended to get at. Jesus, Rosa Parks and Mandela all stood up nonviolently and without the power of the state to show the INJUSTICE of the state's actions should offend us all.

Yet, the response by Indiana and Arkansas was to legally justify the right to discriminate against gays. Hardly what Christ was about.

 

[Asclepias]

Many of the world's most widespread religions are based on texts that clearly and succinctly describe homosexuality as wrong, punishable, and even forbidden.

Now in the U.S. the Fed govt has passed legislation saying that businesses cannot refuse to serve customers because they are homosexual.

Does that legislation violate the 1st amendment for people in those religions, who run businesses?

Do you lose the constitutional protection of your right to "freely exercise" your religion, if you start a business?

No.

 

[Ravi]

Yes it has sadly. Thanks to Republicans.

Rati, if there are two stores that carry similar goods, and one is owned by a homosexual, should shoppers be required by law to go to that store? What if shoppers discriminate against the gay store because the owner is gay? Should they be required by law to spend a certain percent of their budget at gay owned stores?

Now that you democrats have brought back slavery, how does this all work?

No. Thanks for stopping by and showing your stupidity.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

If you have a close family member or friend who is LGBT - do you patronize businesses that don't serve them? I don't.

What businesses do not serve LGBT patrons?

Here is one guy.

Indiana Business Owner Claims He Will Now Openly Discriminate Against Gays And Lesbians

More power to him. We want it all out in the open.

 

[Asclepias]

If you run a business in the public sector they do. To elaborate on that they actually define what is and is not a religion so I would say yes.

then i guess we have the equivalent of another Church of England.....isn't that a tad opposite of what the Founders intended...?

Not really. You can practice your religion as much as you like as long as it doesnt encroach on the rights of others.

and by 'others' i guess you mean the customer is always right...

what about the rights of the store owner...?

Exactly
What about the rights of the store owner?

well according to you the store owner has to provide whatever perverted cake the customer demands....so i guess he has none...

Thats what happens when you are in business. You provide what the customer asks for. If you dont want the customer do a crappy job and they wont be back.

 

[The Rabbi]

Those are all dumb questions, RW. Have you been thinking again?

Dumb questions? Really?

Doctor refuses to treat baby of lesbian parents because they re gay.

Obviously the doctor was wrong and can be sued for discrimination. What is there to debate?

How can the doctor be discriminating when these are hard held religious beliefs?

What religion tells you can't treat a gay patient? Answer: no religion

Slippery slope fallacy

What religion tells you that you can't bake a cake for a gay wedding?

Obviously people have issues being seen as condoning homosexual marriage. The right course is to respect their opinions, even if you disagree with them. But respect is something leftists never have.

 

[Asclepias]

Dumb questions? Really?

Doctor refuses to treat baby of lesbian parents because they re gay.

Obviously the doctor was wrong and can be sued for discrimination. What is there to debate?

How can the doctor be discriminating when these are hard held religious beliefs?

What religion tells you can't treat a gay patient? Answer: no religion

Slippery slope fallacy

What religion tells you that you can't bake a cake for a gay wedding?

Obviously people have issues being seen as condoning homosexual marriage. The right course is to respect their opinions, even if you disagree with them. But respect is something leftists never have.

Business is business. I do business with people and I dont respect nor condone their views all the time. if you have that much of an issue with someone elses views then business is not the world you want to be in.

 

[dblack]

Yes it has sadly. Thanks to Republicans.

Rati, if there are two stores that carry similar goods, and one is owned by a homosexual, should shoppers be required by law to go to that store? What if shoppers discriminate against the gay store because the owner is gay? Should they be required by law to spend a certain percent of their budget at gay owned stores?

Now that you democrats have brought back slavery, how does this all work?

The premise that makes this work is their assumption that anyone who opens a business is implicitly sacrificing some of their rights. They forfeit freedom of association in exchange for "permission" from the state to trade with others.

 

[Lakhota]

then i guess we have the equivalent of another Church of England.....isn't that a tad opposite of what the Founders intended...?

Not really. You can practice your religion as much as you like as long as it doesnt encroach on the rights of others.

and by 'others' i guess you mean the customer is always right...

what about the rights of the store owner...?

Exactly
What about the rights of the store owner?

well according to you the store owner has to provide whatever perverted cake the customer demands....so i guess he has none...

Thats what happens when you are in business. You provide what the customer asks for. If you dont want the customer do a crappy job and they wont be back.

So, are you saying that covert bigotry is more Christian than overt bigotry?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

(patiently)

Many religions consider homosexuality immoral.

And also forbid people to encourage immorality.

Their not encouraging it if the people are gay before they come into the bakery.

Isn't divorce considered immoral in a lot of religions too?

I bet these so pious bakers have no problem baking a wedding cake for some divorced sinners second marriage

Do you see the problem yet?

The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.

Exactly, Marty. And that's what my moved thread on the donkey was intended to get at. Jesus, Rosa Parks and Mandela all stood up nonviolently and without the power of the state to show the INJUSTICE of the state's actions should offend us all.

Yet, the response by Indiana and Arkansas was to legally justify the right to discriminate against gays. Hardly what Christ was about.

how are they doing that...? the law says nothing about gays...

the law is simply to provide a way to court for people who do not want to be forced against their religious beliefs...

 

[Asclepias]

Not really. You can practice your religion as much as you like as long as it doesnt encroach on the rights of others.

and by 'others' i guess you mean the customer is always right...

what about the rights of the store owner...?

Exactly
What about the rights of the store owner?

well according to you the store owner has to provide whatever perverted cake the customer demands....so i guess he has none...

Thats what happens when you are in business. You provide what the customer asks for. If you dont want the customer do a crappy job and they wont be back.

So, are you saying that covert bigotry is more Christian than overt bigotry?

There is nothing christian about bigotry covert or not. What I am saying is if you dont want a customer there are other ways of getting rid of them.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yes it has sadly. Thanks to Republicans.

Rati, if there are two stores that carry similar goods, and one is owned by a homosexual, should shoppers be required by law to go to that store? What if shoppers discriminate against the gay store because the owner is gay? Should they be required by law to spend a certain percent of their budget at gay owned stores?

Now that you democrats have brought back slavery, how does this all work?

The premise that makes this work is their assumption that anyone who opens a business is implicitly sacrificing some of their rights. They forfeit freedom of association in exchange for "permission" from the state to trade with others.

Which is monstrous and wrong.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You lose your right to practice your religion when the government has a good reason to take away that right.

Discriminating in a business is a good reason.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Their not encouraging it if the people are gay before they come into the bakery.

Isn't divorce considered immoral in a lot of religions too?

I bet these so pious bakers have no problem baking a wedding cake for some divorced sinners second marriage

Do you see the problem yet?

The greater problem is thinking fining or forcing these people out of business via government action is the proper response.

I have no problem with these "pious" people refusing to serve anyone as long as it applies to ALL sinners.

Let's see how their business does then

Its not up to government to decide how a person follows or interprets their religion. You can do it, via boycott or a media campaign against said business, but leave government out of it.

Basically you can be a petty twat all you want, just do it yourself and don't get some bullshit "Equal Opportunity Commission" to do your dirty work for you.

I don't believe this issue is about religion at all.

You can believe what you want. All 3 of the monotheistic religions find Homosexuality sinful.

Funny how just that one sin is the issue.

What about all the other sins religions define?

Those pious hypocrites have no problem with the other hundreds of sins just this one.

Like I said it's not about religion

 

[The Rabbi]

You lose your right to practice your religion when the government has a good reason to take away that right.

Discriminating in a business is a good reason.

Discriiminating in business trumps a First Amendment right to free exercise? I dont think so.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

then i guess we have the equivalent of another Church of England.....isn't that a tad opposite of what the Founders intended...?

Not really. You can practice your religion as much as you like as long as it doesnt encroach on the rights of others.

and by 'others' i guess you mean the customer is always right...

what about the rights of the store owner...?

Exactly
What about the rights of the store owner?

well according to you the store owner has to provide whatever perverted cake the customer demands....so i guess he has none...

Thats what happens when you are in business. You provide what the customer asks for. If you dont want the customer do a crappy job and they wont be back.

so the baker must provide a customer with any kind of cake they demand......? i don't think so...

 

[Asclepias]

You lose your right to practice your religion when the government has a good reason to take away that right.

Discriminating in a business is a good reason.

Discriiminating in business trumps a First Amendment right to free exercise? I dont think so.

You dont have a right to mix religion with business. Where is that in the first amendment?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Those are all dumb questions, RW. Have you been thinking again?

Dumb questions? Really?

Doctor refuses to treat baby of lesbian parents because they re gay.

Obviously the doctor was wrong and can be sued for discrimination. What is there to debate?

How can the doctor be discriminating when these are hard held religious beliefs?

What religion tells you can't treat a gay patient? Answer: no religion

Slippery slope fallacy

True.
Can a Catholic obstetrician be forced to perform an abortion?

he or she can refuse and be fired.