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[Sky Dancer]

A report from MSNBC’s Chris Hayes indicates that Washington, D.C.-based lobbying firm Clark Lytle Geduldig & Cranford (CLGC) created a shadowy plan to undermine Occupy Wall Street for the American Bankers Association for the substantial sum of $850,000.

Essentially, the sixty day plan was to launch an all out smear campaign against the entire Occupy Movement, by character assassination on any high-profile leaders that may emerge from the protests. The leaked memo describes the various ways that the firm intended to attack the Occupy protesters, and to “undermine their credibility in a profound way” and “create negative narratives of the [Occupy Wall Street] for high impact media placement to expose the backers of this movement.”

The document details plans to identify funding sources of the Occupy Movement, and produce analysis of ”OWS backers and funders, extremist leaders, policy positions, ad rhetoric for the development of strategic polling and messaging.” “Opposition research tactics” listed include records searches on “obtainable open records requests of leader’s histories including civil and criminal information, litigation history, tax liens, bankruptcies, judgments, and other associations.”

The plan also included searches on activist’s business activities, including IRS and “federal elections filings, sanctions, regulatory actions, and litigation.”

American Bankers Association (ABA) spokesperson Jeff Sigmund claims that the proposal was unsolicited and that the association “chose not to act on it in any way.” However, on the CLGC website, found at clgcdc.com, it is revealed that the group has been a client of the ABA in the past.

The National Lawyers Guild has launched Freedom of Information requests for federal documents related to the federal government’s efforts to undermine and disrupt the Occupy Wall Street operations. After just two months of activity, the Occupy Wall Street phenomenon has emerged as a decentralized protest movement that shows the real potential for exposing the degree to which the financial sector has taken control of American politics. The interests of the citizens of the United States stand in the way of an unprecedented campaign for corporate profit.

Expect the Wall Street sector and its allies to mount a concerted smear campaign against the Occupy Wall Street protesters. That is a sign that the Occupy folks are being effective.



The Occupy Wall Street protests scare the status quo enough to contemplate wholesale PR sabotage. | Vivian McPeak - seattlepi.com

 

[The Infidel]

This is not total anarchy. This is a protest movement. We have a right to do so.

I feel bad for the cops too, but I don't support them in using excessive force. That officer should be investigated for misconduct.

That 84 year old woman was "down for the cause" AND grown up. Stop watching so much Fox News. It'll rot your brain.

Stop insulting my intelligence..! Seriously damn it...!

I didnt see nor hear about it there.... I dont watch Fox for my news and very seldom EVER even look at it.

I saw the story here.... on USMB and went out and did my own research.
I get my news from internet sources and occasionally I hear stories on the news.

Really... you need to stop judging all of us evil conservatives as if we have some talking point memo we receive from Rush or Faux News.

I am a free thinker.... that has always set me apart. I dont fit the typical rightwing mold.
I have long hair, I like to toke every once in a while, my mom is a conservative lesbian, I donate money and time to the homeless, and I love a good mosh pit romp at a Slipknot concert

Guess thats it... Im done.
Going to bed now.... have a nice night





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[Sky Dancer]

This is not total anarchy. This is a protest movement. We have a right to do so.

I feel bad for the cops too, but I don't support them in using excessive force. That officer should be investigated for misconduct.

That 84 year old woman was "down for the cause" AND grown up. Stop watching so much Fox News. It'll rot your brain.

Stop insulting my intelligence..! Seriously damn it...!

I didnt see nor hear about it there.... I dont watch Fox for my news and very seldom EVER even look at it.

I saw the story here.... on USMB and went out and did my own research.
I get my news from internet sources and occasionally I hear stories on the news.

Really... you need to stop judging all of us evil conservatives as if we have some talking point memo we receive from Rush or Faux News.

I am a free thinker.... that has always set me apart. I dont fit the typical rightwing mold.
I have long hair, I like to toke every once in a while, my mom is a conservative lesbian, I donate money and time to the homeless, and I love a good mosh pit romp at a Slipknot concert

Guess thats it... Im done.
Going to bed now.... have a nice night





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You're right. I shouldn't have assumed you get your evil conservatism from Faux News. (Maybe you got it from your mother, a conservative lesbian?).

I'm sure you're a fine young man with a good heart. I support free thinking, even when I don't agree with where it takes someone.

Good night.


What is a mosh pit romp?

 

[Douger]

Duh murkin way, of course !
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[Douger]

Naturally, all attempts were made not to kill innocent civilians.

 

[editec]

A report from MSNBC’s Chris Hayes indicates that Washington, D.C.-based lobbying firm Clark Lytle Geduldig & Cranford (CLGC) created a shadowy plan to undermine Occupy Wall Street for the American Bankers Association for the substantial sum of $850,000.

Essentially, the sixty day plan was to launch an all out smear campaign against the entire Occupy Movement, by character assassination on any high-profile leaders that may emerge from the protests. The leaked memo describes the various ways that the firm intended to attack the Occupy protesters, and to “undermine their credibility in a profound way” and “create negative narratives of the [Occupy Wall Street] for high impact media placement to expose the backers of this movement.”

The document details plans to identify funding sources of the Occupy Movement, and produce analysis of ”OWS backers and funders, extremist leaders, policy positions, ad rhetoric for the development of strategic polling and messaging.” “Opposition research tactics” listed include records searches on “obtainable open records requests of leader’s histories including civil and criminal information, litigation history, tax liens, bankruptcies, judgments, and other associations.”

The plan also included searches on activist’s business activities, including IRS and “federal elections filings, sanctions, regulatory actions, and litigation.”

American Bankers Association (ABA) spokesperson Jeff Sigmund claims that the proposal was unsolicited and that the association “chose not to act on it in any way.” However, on the CLGC website, found at clgcdc.com, it is revealed that the group has been a client of the ABA in the past.

The National Lawyers Guild has launched Freedom of Information requests for federal documents related to the federal government’s efforts to undermine and disrupt the Occupy Wall Street operations. After just two months of activity, the Occupy Wall Street phenomenon has emerged as a decentralized protest movement that shows the real potential for exposing the degree to which the financial sector has taken control of American politics. The interests of the citizens of the United States stand in the way of an unprecedented campaign for corporate profit.

Expect the Wall Street sector and its allies to mount a concerted smear campaign against the Occupy Wall Street protesters. That is a sign that the Occupy folks are being effective.



The Occupy Wall Street protests scare the status quo enough to contemplate wholesale PR sabotage. | Vivian McPeak - seattlepi.com

It does NOT surprise me AT ALL, that this was done.

I totally expect this kind of dirty propagandic tricksterism will be employed whenever a populist movement threatens the powers that be.

What surprises me is that this conspiracy was outed.

 

[SAT2]

I posted an article earlier from Mercury News. They interviewed several LEOs, none of them agreed with pepper spraying peaceful, passive protestors. One officer pointed out that you take the path of least resistance-let them sit and get tired of sitting.

Pepper spray is an assault. It's interesting to see those who claimed to be against government overreach insisting that this form of government overreach is just fine. We have seen officers display authoritarian behavior, and that has been given a pass by self-proclaimed Tea Partiers; folks who insisted that the President was a tyrant or a Nazi because he lawfully passed health care reform, or appointed an adviser, now claim the right of officers to use violence against someone for no apparent reason in some instances.

We know that there were disrespectful signs at Tea Party rallies. This is not something you can pass off solely on pranksters. There were some very extreme elements who showed up at rallies, including protestors who had signs saying "We came unarmed-this time", and protestors who showed up heavily armed.

There are reports of the police sending homeless people to the OWS protests for food, and dropping off drunk people at OWS rallies.

 

[Ravi]

It's interesting to see those who claimed to be against government overreach insisting that this form of government overreach is just fine.

Just good old fashioned hippy hate.

 

[paulitician]

Lots of dishonesty & hypocrisy from both sides of these kinds of issues. Big Government always leads to excess & abuse. I've been trying to tell people this for years. Those who call themselves 'Small Government Conservatives' and truly believe in Freedom & Liberty,should not be condoning this abuse. And the the Big Government Socialists/Progressives don't have much room to complain about things like this.

If you want a huge over-reaching Government,then you just have to accept things like this from your Government. Big Government Nanny States need to control the people. So you really do get the Government you deserve. Everyone should condemn the Police on this stuff though. Who watches the Watchers? If not you then who?

 

[Sky Dancer]

When conservatives say they have a problem with "big government" what I hear them saying is they want "cheap labor". They have no problem with huge defense budgets, corporate welfare, and bailouts to industry, but the little people can hurt. They want the rich to have tax cuts and the poor to remain poor.

 

[paulitician]

When conservatives say they have a problem with "big government" what I hear them saying is they want "cheap labor". They have no problem with huge defense budgets, corporate welfare, and bailouts to industry, but the little people can hurt. They want the rich to have tax cuts and the poor to remain poor.

All Politicians who continue to keep our Borders wide open are for cheap labor. If that wasn't the case,this current President would have already secured the Borders and gotten us out of all those awful trade deals. That's another one of his big promises he broke. Instead of getting us out of those awful deals he only signed more awful deals. But i do agree with your assessment somewhat.

There are way too many phonies out there calling themselves Conservatives. Real Conservatives do not support the things you listed. And i never met anyone who wanted poor people to suffer. So i think that accusation is way over the top on your part. But in the end,if you want that Big Government Nanny State,you'll just have to bite your tongue and deal with them controlling your life and committing over-reach abuses. You can't have it both ways.

 

[freedombecki]

What is the proper method of dealing with people who have repeatedly disobeyed lawful orders to disperse?

Do you think the OWS are intentionally pushing police to the point where the only way the police can enforce the law is to do things which make for "good" anti-cop TV?

Is physically dragging lawbreakers away more appropriate than pepper spray? Some in-the-know have said no, that physically carrying people away comes with its own set of risks and liabilities.

Yeah, I'd set up a couple of tables of hot chocolate, hot apple juice, fruit and nut snacks, and home-baked cookies and tell them to help themselves before they left for home.

 

[Amelia]

 

[paulitician]

Next time they should just shoot them all. How dare they protest against the State. Who do they think they are?...American Citizens? Just shoot em and be done with it. Think of the Tax Dollars we would save too? The Police are always right. Protesters are always wrong. That's what the State teaches us no? So forget pepper spray & tasers. Just shoot em all and be done with it. They should know not to protest the State.

 

[Amelia]

Best idea yet, Paulie.

When someone kidnaps you and you have a gun, you're allowed to use it to escape.

 

[Dot Com]

This is not total anarchy. This is a protest movement. We have a right to do so.

I feel bad for the cops too, but I don't support them in using excessive force. That officer should be investigated for misconduct.

That 84 year old woman was "down for the cause" AND grown up. Stop watching so much Fox News. It'll rot your brain.

Stop insulting my intelligence..! Seriously damn it...!

I didnt see nor hear about it there.... I dont watch Fox for my news and very seldom EVER even look at it.

I saw the story here.... on USMB and went out and did my own research.
I get my news from internet sources and occasionally I hear stories on the news.

Really... you need to stop judging all of us evil conservatives as if we have some talking point memo we receive from Rush or Faux News.

I am a free thinker.... that has always set me apart. I dont fit the typical rightwing mold.
I have long hair, I like to toke every once in a while, my mom is a conservative lesbian, I donate money and time to the homeless, and I love a good mosh pit romp at a Slipknot concert

Guess thats it... Im done.
Going to bed now.... have a nice night

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pos-repped for the above post & to think I was considering recommending this as a new AV for you :

 

[Immanuel]

I posted an article earlier from Mercury News. They interviewed several LEOs, none of them agreed with pepper spraying peaceful, passive protestors. One officer pointed out that you take the path of least resistance-let them sit and get tired of sitting.

Pepper spray is an assault. It's interesting to see those who claimed to be against government overreach insisting that this form of government overreach is just fine. We have seen officers display authoritarian behavior, and that has been given a pass by self-proclaimed Tea Partiers; folks who insisted that the President was a tyrant or a Nazi because he lawfully passed health care reform, or appointed an adviser, now claim the right of officers to use violence against someone for no apparent reason in some instances.

We know that there were disrespectful signs at Tea Party rallies. This is not something you can pass off solely on pranksters. There were some very extreme elements who showed up at rallies, including protestors who had signs saying "We came unarmed-this time", and protestors who showed up heavily armed.

There are reports of the police sending homeless people to the OWS protests for food, and dropping off drunk people at OWS rallies.

Reps for the first two paragraphs in this post.

As for the "We know" statement, I have to disagree. While it appears that there were disrespectful signs at Tea Party events, I will not take the word of some nobody posting a video on youtube or pictures of signs on the internet. That, to me, is not proof of anything except that someone took a video and pictures of disrespectful signs.

As for the "reports" you mentioned, do you have any actual proof that those things occurred? There were "reports" that the people who attended those Tea Party events with disrespectful signs were actually left wing plants but a "report" is really proof of nothing.

Immie

 

[Bfgrn]

Interesting range of ideas here from the Righties.

Yea, but fascism spawns from liberalism...

 

[SAT2]

When conservatives say they have a problem with "big government" what I hear them saying is they want "cheap labor". They have no problem with huge defense budgets, corporate welfare, and bailouts to industry, but the little people can hurt. They want the rich to have tax cuts and the poor to remain poor.

I posted an article earlier from Mercury News. They interviewed several LEOs, none of them agreed with pepper spraying peaceful, passive protestors. One officer pointed out that you take the path of least resistance-let them sit and get tired of sitting.

Pepper spray is an assault. It's interesting to see those who claimed to be against government overreach insisting that this form of government overreach is just fine. We have seen officers display authoritarian behavior, and that has been given a pass by self-proclaimed Tea Partiers; folks who insisted that the President was a tyrant or a Nazi because he lawfully passed health care reform, or appointed an adviser, now claim the right of officers to use violence against someone for no apparent reason in some instances.

We know that there were disrespectful signs at Tea Party rallies. This is not something you can pass off solely on pranksters. There were some very extreme elements who showed up at rallies, including protestors who had signs saying "We came unarmed-this time", and protestors who showed up heavily armed.

There are reports of the police sending homeless people to the OWS protests for food, and dropping off drunk people at OWS rallies.

Reps for the first two paragraphs in this post.

As for the "We know" statement, I have to disagree. While it appears that there were disrespectful signs at Tea Party events, I will not take the word of some nobody posting a video on youtube or pictures of signs on the internet. That, to me, is not proof of anything except that someone took a video and pictures of disrespectful signs.

As for the "reports" you mentioned, do you have any actual proof that those things occurred? There were "reports" that the people who attended those Tea Party events with disrespectful signs were actually left wing plants but a "report" is really proof of nothing.

Immie

You're fighting reality. I've already pointed out that Dachau sign at the big Tea Party rally. Do you really dispute the existence of that sign? Seriously?

Yes, it's possible that some signs were plants. But it's not possible that all of them were. I'm sorry. It's just not. What's more, we see the same signs forwarded from various Tea Partiers in emails-folks with roles in the Republican party.

The behavior of the crowd the day toward Representative John Lewis the ACA was signed was disrespectful. That coverage was on the national news. You're alleging a conspiracy theory of monstrous proportions.

Interesting range of ideas here from the Righties.

Yea, but fascism spawns from liberalism...

No, it doesn't. Fascism is not remotely liberal. You have been misled.

 

[Sky Dancer]

When conservatives say they have a problem with "big government" what I hear them saying is they want "cheap labor". They have no problem with huge defense budgets, corporate welfare, and bailouts to industry, but the little people can hurt. They want the rich to have tax cuts and the poor to remain poor.

All Politicians who continue to keep our Borders wide open are for cheap labor. If that wasn't the case,this current President would have already secured the Borders and gotten us out of all those awful trade deals. That's another one of his big promises he broke. Instead of getting us out of those awful deals he only signed more awful deals. But i do agree with your assessment somewhat.

There are way too many phonies out there calling themselves Conservatives. Real Conservatives do not support the things you listed. And i never met anyone who wanted poor people to suffer. So i think that accusation is way over the top on your part. But in the end,if you want that Big Government Nanny State,you'll just have to bite your tongue and deal with them controlling your life and committing over-reach abuses. You can't have it both ways.

I don't want a "big government nanny state". That's a stereotype.